The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

It sounds like this woman didn't want to comply with provided transport for medical for some reason to and from her appointments. They absolutely provide this in Texas. Something is weird about this story. Don't feel too sorry for this woman.
Texas provides transport out of state so women can get abortions?
Not to pile on, but I wouldn't be thrilled with that either. I'd feel like I was being abducted in a hearse to be experimented on by incompetent alien doctors.
One of the few things she could control here was her transport. She couldn't terminate, couldn't leave, and probably couldn't even choose her doctors but at least she could choose to take a bus.
Plus there was nothing that could be done to save the pregnancy. The fetuses were doomed regardless. Abortion was the only treatment and TX doesn't think women should be allowed to abort fetuses with lethal anomalies because it enjoys pointless cruelty to women.
 
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So glad a dude in this thread can let all the women folk know they should not feel sorry for a woman who gave birth to two dead potatoes because she couldn’t get an abortion near her home.

She couldn’t even get competent medical advice because doctors are afraid to even mention termination.
I don't feel sorry for non-compliant patients who won't be helped with medical abortions. There are resources for this. When journos lie and tell half truths, they're the ones making a very serious and negative impact on women. Looks like the pro-choicers need to clean house with their "advocates."

I identify as pro-life, but I get the necessity in a case like this that impedes the ability of practitioners to help patients. Yes, it would be nice if the welfare slug could just not have to comply with care and had to be weirdly evasive (because she certainly understands how to get gibs), but she had help. This is more "NO HELP CAME!!!" stuff. I would bet money she was referred to an NM provider and transport, but since social workers didn't physically carry her to a close by abortion clinic, the system has failed her. Spare me.

@Android raptor - It won't let me quote you, but if you consult social work, they provide the patients with info for ride assistance and help with getting appointments made, etc. This is in Texas.
 
@Android raptor - It won't let me quote you, but if you consult social work, they provide the patients with info for ride assistance and help with getting appointments made, etc. This is in Texas.
Do they? Because everything I've heard is that women in abortion ban states are on their own trying to afford going out of state to get an abortion, which is why multiple Texas women have had to give birth to doomed fetuses.

Shit, last I heard TX was trying to make it illegal for women to even use the highways to escape Texas and get an abortion.

None of these women would even have to leave Texas if the state didn't think dying FUBAR potato fetuses are more important than they are. That's the real issue here. No woman should ever have to travel long distances to abort nonviable fetuses.
 
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Do they? Because everything I've heard is that women in abortion ban states are on their own trying to afford going out of state to get an abortion, which is why multiple Texas women have had to give birth to doomed fetuses.

Shit, last I heard TX was trying to make it illegal for women to even use the highways to escape Texas and get an abortion.
Not just Republicans are liars. Yes, SW gives referrals, but the patient has to set their own appointments and the organizations are private. It isn't the state's job to make sure you go to your prenatal care appointments they provide for free, and she couldn't even manage that.

The law needs to change and needs some allowance for nuance, but I had heard it was primarily the private transport getting in trouble, not the patients. That is absolutely preposterous.

That said, everyone needs to stop pretending it's some deeply sad underground railroad. https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/
 
Not to pile on, but I wouldn't be thrilled with that either. I'd feel like I was being abducted in a hearse to be experimented on by incompetent alien doctors.
One of the few things she could control here was her transport. She couldn't terminate, couldn't leave, and probably couldn't even choose her doctors but at least she could choose to take a bus.
Tbh she would have been hard pressed to get an abortion before they decided to ban all abortions.

Women receiving non-viable Dx at 16 weeks were already in a really tough spot. Abortions were available but far fewer providers and it cost big money.

I can’t remember the exact cut off but I know if you got a non-viable Dx at 18-20 weeks your options came down to two doctors in the USA and costs from $10-20k cash.

There is a whole website dedicated to women who ended wanted pregnancies due to getting terrible non-viable Dx in their second trimester and it was grim af. Nobody really gave a fuck about forcing them to carry a doomed pregnancy to term.

The irony was how the few doctors who offered late term abortions were vilified because most late term abortions were due to getting terrible Dx in the second trimester. (Why the anatomy scan at 18 weeks is so awful if you know much about birth defects. Some can be found very early, but there are plenty that aren’t until you are well into a pregnancy.)
 
Tbh she would have been hard pressed to get an abortion before they decided to ban all abortions.

Women receiving non-viable Dx at 16 weeks were already in a really tough spot. Abortions were available but far fewer providers and it cost big money.

I can’t remember the exact cut off but I know if you got a non-viable Dx at 18-20 weeks your options came down to two doctors in the USA and costs from $10-20k cash.

There is a whole website dedicated to women who ended wanted pregnancies due to getting terrible non-viable Dx in their second trimester and it was grim af. Nobody really gave a fuck about forcing them to carry a doomed pregnancy to term.

The irony was how the few doctors who offered late term abortions were vilified because most late term abortions were due to getting terrible Dx in the second trimester. (Why the anatomy scan at 18 weeks is so awful if you know much about birth defects. Some can be found very early, but there are plenty that aren’t until you are well into a pregnancy.)

After George Tiller was murdered in church there was a big drop in doctors willing to do late term abortions.

No matter how many times it’s stated that late term abortions are performed on fetuses with medical abnormalities, the pro forced birth crowd refuses to get the message because they are stupid.
 
Not just Republicans are liars. Yes, SW gives referrals, but the patient has to set their own appointments and the organizations are private. It isn't the state's job to make sure you go to your prenatal care appointments they provide for free, and she couldn't even manage that.

The law needs to change and needs some allowance for nuance, but I had heard it was primarily the private transport getting in trouble, not the patients. That is absolutely preposterous.

That said, everyone needs to stop pretending it's some deeply sad underground railroad. https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/
Those funds aren't unlimited and don't have the ability to help everyone, nor can they provide days off work for people or cover every single cost involved (the procedure itself, hotel stays, food, etc). They're better than nothing but they aren't a magic service that can help every single woman, or else women wouldn't be giving birth to FUBAR potatos against their will.

Plus red states do everything they can to prevent Charities like that from functioning and helping people.
Tbh she would have been hard pressed to get an abortion before they decided to ban all abortions.

Women receiving non-viable Dx at 16 weeks were already in a really tough spot. Abortions were available but far fewer providers and it cost big money.

I can’t remember the exact cut off but I know if you got a non-viable Dx at 18-20 weeks your options came down to two doctors in the USA and costs from $10-20k cash.
And what makes it even worse is 18-20 weeks is when a lot of people first get a fatal diagnosis. Lots of nasty stuff isn't detected until the 20wk anatomy scan, especially for women who don't get ultrasounds before that point
No matter how many times it’s stated that late term abortions are performed on fetuses with medical abnormalities, the pro forced birth crowd refuses to get the message because they are stupid.
It's not that they don't get the message so much as they don't care. They'll insist literally brainless anencephaly zombabies are simply "disabled" and make huge blog posts about why they're such super spechul miracles no one should be allowed to abort. They want to use forced pregnancy to subjugate girls and women without exception. By their own logic there's no point in forcing a woman to gestate a doomed fetus since there never will be a live baby in the situation, but they do it anyway.
 
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Those funds aren't unlimited and don't have the ability to help everyone, nor can they provide days off work for people or cover every single cost involved (the procedure itself, hotel stays, food, etc). They're better than nothing but they aren't a magic service that can help every single woman, or else women wouldn't be giving birth to FUBAR potatos against their will.

Plus red states do everything they can to prevent Charities like that from functioning and helping people.
Nor does it in blue states via Medicaid/MetroHealth/whatever.

This is a country that is based on state jurisdiction. It allows for voters to make decisions. I'm not saying it's perfect, but I think democracy is the best option.
 
The irony was how the few doctors who offered late term abortions were vilified because most late term abortions were due to getting terrible Dx in the second trimester. (Why the anatomy scan at 18 weeks is so awful if you know much about birth defects. Some can be found very early, but there are plenty that aren’t until you are well into a pregnancy.)
I don't get why late term abortions are treated as if the woman gets them for shits and giggles. Outside of maybe one or two complete psychopaths, who would wait almost an entire year to abort an unwanted pregnancy? Hell, middle term seems like something only complete psychos would get for teehees.
 
I don't get why late term abortions are treated as if the woman gets them for shits and giggles. Outside of maybe one or two complete psychopaths, who would wait almost an entire year to abort an unwanted pregnancy? Hell, middle term seems like something only complete psychos would get for teehees.
That or women or girls who were unable to get them sooner. So prolifers an their restrictions actually increase the chance a woman will get a later term abortion.

AFAIK abortions after 30wks are only available at like one or two clinics, and you have to have some kind of serious diagnosis. There have been firsthand accounts of women who've had them posted ITT (entirely for serious fetal anomalies), but it might be a good time to hunt them down and repost them. It's not even remotely like the narrative prolifers push.
Nor does it in blue states via Medicaid/MetroHealth/whatever.

This is a country that is based on state jurisdiction. It allows for voters to make decisions. I'm not saying it's perfect, but I think democracy is the best option.
Not when its denying people basic human rights and forcing women to gestate doomed pregnancies.

The feds had to step in to stop states from engaging in segregation. I think forced pregnancy more than justifies federal override of states treating girls and women as subhuman.
 
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-abortion-debate-containment-thread.76613/


I saw Sweet Sophia, the one with the horrible no-lips mouth with the teeth out, died quite a while back. I still really wonder why they did not put a cute mask on her when she was in public- with a cute mask she'd just be a sweet retard girl in a wheelchair, and not a traumatizing experience for passerbys.

Her parents seemed to take it pretty well, as far as I could ascertain from a short video. They pretty much said that they knew she'd have a short life and they felt they made the right decisions with how they handled her medical care- only doing surgeries for quality of life and not trying to pointlessly extend her life or cause suffering.

edit: the previous exchange was moved, yipee keep the tard baby thread free of heated abortion debate with no special focus to tard babies
 
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Here's an older article written by a woman who had an abortion at 36 weeks. In this case, it was for fatal brain malformations that would've resulted in a baby doomed to a short, seizure-filled life before aspirating on its own bodily fluids. Apparently kids with the condition are often not even comfortable enough to sleep. It wasn't diagnosed until the woman was 35 weeks pregnant.
 
Not when its denying people basic human rights and forcing women to gestate doomed pregnancies.

The feds had to step in to stop states from engaging in segregation. I think forced pregnancy more than justifies federal override of states treating girls and women as subhuman.
The state of Texas doesn't owe you free abortions. That said, if you have a non-viable pregnancy in Texas, I'll drive you myself if you provide documentation.
 
A woman had to go thru a high-risk pregnancy/birth and get a third c-section because Texas thinks doomed fetuses are more important than women's health.
That is very sad to hear. I think you can only get so many C sections so it took away her chance to have as many healthy kids as she wants.
Don't feel too sorry for this woman.
Don't feel sorry for this woman who was forced to birth dead zombabies. Totally not sad and tragic at all. Great display of Christian empathy there.
Yes, it would be nice if the welfare slug could just not have to comply with care and had to be weirdly evasive (because she certainly understands how to get gibs), but she had help.
Who cares if she's a welfare rat? Where is the moral good in ripping up a poor woman's uterus because bortshuns are haram? It would have been better for this woman's life circumstances, her body and society itself if she had had an abortion.
 
My theory regarding AR's obsession with abortion is that it comes from the fact she was molested when she was young.

The trauma makes her despise the idea of procreation.
 
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My theory regarding AR's obsession with abortion is that it comes from the fact she was molested when she was young.
I don't think there's any evidence for that, iirk, her dad was cool and her mom was a psycho bitch who let her dad die of cancer bc she didn't want to pay for treatment.
 
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