The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Sparkling Yuzu]

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Everyone who simps for "muh Eastern women" is.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

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[Male Idiot]

Let me give you all an answer that you'll hate but its true!


What type of Asian women? Technically it is all up to their skintone and its paleness. Pale skin has been the signifier of good breeding and high status for thousands of years. Reddit may say that's racism, but that's simply the lack of tan. Remember, Adolf Kun has taught us that racism is due to evolution. It is a delicate balance of mixing bloodlines, same as breeding any other mammal. Race mixing is simply bad because most of the time, you can't find higher quality genetic material than whites, but with the advent of rednecks and intelligence bred asians the water gets muddied. Get it? Plus, who would marry an Irish. If you need to choose between Ethan Ralph's Ralphaseed and a highbred Jap, be prepared for lot of NAWT TRUUUH, BEEECH!

 

[Trad Cunt]

Let me give you all an answer that you'll hate but its true!

What does this have to do with abortion? I agree one ought keep it within their race and one standard deviation of their IQ, and I also want babies that look like me and my boyfriend (after we're married, of course). Still, even if I was raped by a nigger or heaven forbid a pajeet I wouldn't find it morally permissible to kill an innocent human being inside the womb just because of their genetic composition. All human beings are valuable and made in the image of God no matter how much they defile that image through ignancy.

 

[Spud]

All human beings are valuable

People will say this but then the moment I start selling them at their appropriate value they complain that it's "Immoral and Unethical"

 

[Bargain Bin Laden]

How could you abort such a cute little thing?

 

[Chandelier]

This is why you are neither a wife nor a mother. No sane man would read what you just said and marry you. It's clear you care more about yourself than your children. This is why I called you a lunatic. No sane woman would ever say this. I have 0 doubt in my mind that any woman on KiwiFarms that has children would NEVER spew this deranged narcissism

Why? Because those are women who love their children.

To reiterate: I asked you what should be done to women who have abortions, including those who have difficult and life threatening pregnancies. To the former, you answered that the woman should be charged with manslaughter - a nice sleight of hand showing it's not has heavy-handed as a murder charge - and what would happen if your wife went through a life-threatening pregnancy. You answered you would be perfectly content having her die so you could have one more child, because you 'love your child' even though you also said you'd throw yourself in front of a bus to save them when said theoretical action wouldn't, in your statement, even lead to them being saved (??).

"No sane woman would ever say this" - We do. Quite a lot, actually. Not many men would casually admit he'd be fine seeing his wife die in the name of a potential fetus, yet here we are. Moids will say this shit and wonder why they keep losing - and to hear it from a porn addict is the funniest fucking thing ever. Porn addicts should not be lecturing others on morality and murder.

My wife's wants for our children are the same as mine. They are one in the same and we want our children to live their lives by any means necessary. If they need a shirt they can have ours. If they need a lung they can have ours. If they need a kidney, they can have ours. If they need our soul, take mine and give it to them.

We love our children. Sorry your parents clearly didn't love you.

You went from saying 'potential kids' to saying you have four. Now you're saying you let your wife read my posts and conclude that I am a lunatic - while casually missing everything else said. Your views that women should be jailed for an abortion are not even held by the figureheads of the pro-life movement. Lila Rose - again - had to reinvent the entire movement to be more palatable to normies after pro lifers bombed clinics and killed George Tiller as late as 2009.

You will give your kids the shirts off your backs, but you wouldn't do it to anyone else, because they're 'not of your blood'. Likewise, you cannot grant rights to a fetus no other human being has. No one else can require a kidney or organ from you; you have to consent. Yet suddenly a woman's rights are nonexistent because of a potential fetus.

Your parents loved their son enough to create a porn addict that will discuss all his favourite stars and genres, while discussing how evil abortion is. Since the Church and no religion informs your morality, this is just being a retard for retard's sake. The irony, though, is that 70% of women who have gotten abortions self identify as Christians.

That's not including the adoption aspect. You won't adopt, because you have your own blood. And men innately despise raising another man's children - such is the ultimate cuckery. And right wing men aren't cucks, are they?

Oh? I thought they were just a clump of cells.

You're killing potential fetuses by jacking off into a sock, implying that the porn-induced ED makes it last longer than a minute. Wasteful masturbation is murder. Clearly, dear wife is not enough for the alternative since you consume porn.

That was in response to you saying I wouldn't raise my own kid. So I pose the question again, why would I let my wife die for our child and then not raise it? Are you stupid?

You said you were fine with her dying during a complicated, dangerous pregnancy, because the fetus was more important than her. And you also wrote she'd be more than willing to give her own life, because 'that's what real women do'. Of course you'd raise the kid as a single dad. The porn addict dad who has to tell his non Christian faithful kids mom had to die for kid # 5, even when the parents were told it was a dangerous pregnancy.

Your poor husband must think he's invading a spider's nest from all those cobwebs after 3 months of NNN.

Porn addict says what?

People will say this but then the moment I start selling them at their appropriate value they complain that it's "Immoral and Unethical"

Everyone has a price. Even a fetus has an SES value.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

How could you abort such a cute little thing?
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Very, very carefully.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

To reiterate: I asked you what should be done to women who have abortions, including those who have difficult and life threatening pregnancies.

I actually never addressed the topic. But okay let's break down what that means. If my wife is having a life threatening pregnancy, is the baby able to survive? If yes, do we have to choose between the baby and mother? If so, then most mothers would choose to save their baby over themselves. In the cases they choose to save themselves, then yes there should be a small penalty to pay unless the doctor and mother can really back up their decisions in court.

If the baby has no chance of survival and/or is already dead, then why would anyone be charged with murder for aborting it if it's already dead? It's not an abortion if it's already dead. Either the baby has a chance to live whether the mother does or it's already dead regardless of the outcome and won't survive, in which case abortion should and can occur. But the doctor better be willing to back that up should charges be pressed.

If a doctor makes a split second decision to save the life of the mother, or baby, whichever, they better be able to back it up in a court and be willing to risk their livelihoods on it.

If an outside party makes that decision on behalf of the mother, it should fall under living will jurisdiction.

We do. Quite a lot, actually. Not many men would casually admit he'd be fine seeing his wife die in the name of a potential fetus, yet here we are.

Cool, I don't want to marry those women.

Your views that women should be jailed for an abortion are not even held by the figureheads of the pro-life movement

And that's why they're weak and pathetic and will always lose.

You will give your kids the shirts off your backs, but you wouldn't do it to anyone else, because they're 'not of your blood'. Likewise, you cannot grant rights to a fetus no other human being has. No one else can require a kidney or organ from you; you have to consent. Yet suddenly a woman's rights are nonexistent because of a potential fetus.

You are correct, I would not. We are talking about a hypothetical scenario where I made the rules. I do not make the rules.

Your parents loved their son enough to create a porn addict that will discuss all his favourite stars and genres, while discussing how evil abortion is.

Nobody ever said I was a porn addict. You're making that assumption. Its a shit posting forum on the Internet. You know literally nothing about my personal life.

You won't adopt, because you have your own blood.

If I couldn't have children for whatever reason, I'd adopt.

Wasteful masturbation is murder.

How dare you talk about my 10 million children like that. I'll have you know Chester, Ben, Austin, Louis, Michael, Adam, Nick, and Jonathan are all some of my favorite clumps of cells.

The porn addict dad who has to tell his non Christian faithful kids mom had to die for kid # 5, even when the parents were told it was a dangerous pregnancy

Okay, I believe you.

 

[i440BX]

Conservatives would win easily women if they would allow abortion in cases of rape/first weeks when it is not developed/danger to the mothers life .
But I highly disagree with abortion once the fetus got much more developed and the mother isn't threatened.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

i'm pro-death. i think we should abort every baby

 

[Trad Cunt]

Conservatives would win easily women if they would allow abortion in cases of rape/first weeks when it is not developed/danger to the mothers life .
But I highly disagree with abortion once the fetus got much more developed and the mother isn't threatened.

But what's the morally relevant difference between a human being that was just conceived and a human being that's been conceived for a few weeks?

 

[i440BX]

But what's the morally relevant difference between a human being that was just conceived and a human being that's been conceived for a few weeks?

Hard to answer really. I am pretty young and unexperienced.
It is a very ugly situation. I would feel bad for the mother to die and the child would also have to suffer without the mother. But I also feel the child isn't guilty to deserve to die and in those cases he is developed enough to have conscience.

The most moral decision in my opinion is to let the mother decide. But I highly respect the mothers that are willing to sacrifice themselves.

What I consider immoral is to not bear any responsibility and kill the developed fetus while the mother doesnt have anything to lose. Just for selfish reasons.

 

[Trad Cunt]

Hard to answer really. I am pretty young and unexperienced.
It is a very ugly situation. I would feel bad for the mother to die and the child would also have to suffer without the mother. But I also feel the child isn't guilty to deserve to die and in those cases he is developed enough to have conscience.

The most moral decision in my opinion is to let the mother decide. But I highly respect the mothers that are willing to sacrifice themselves.

What I consider immoral is to not bear any responsibility and kill the developed fetus while the mother doesnt have anything to lose. Just for selfish reasons.

I was talking about when you said, "first weeks when it is not developed" in the post I was responding to. I definitely think there's an argument to be made for weighing two things of equal value (the mother's life and the baby's) and deciding to abort the child as a consequence.

However, if the mother's life is not at stake then I just don't see a justification for killing an innocent human being, even if the baby is only a couple weeks old and has barely developed at all. I just don't see what the difference is between a baby that's barely developed and a baby that has had more time to develop.

 

[i440BX]

I was talking about when you said, "first weeks when it is not developed" in the post I was responding to. I definitely think there's an argument to be made for weighing two things of equal value (the mother's life and the baby's) and deciding to abort the child as a consequence.

However, if the mother's life is not at stake then I just don't see a justification for killing an innocent human being, even if the baby is only a couple weeks old and has barely developed at all. I just don't see what the difference is between a baby that's barely developed and a baby that has had more time to develop.

Sorry, I misread when I replied then.
I admit I am not a very religious man, but I do believe God is responsible for how this world works, for life and some balances. I used to be more hopeful in my younger years (God will help the correct stuff), but now I am somewhat black-pilled that there is a lot of bad things going on and I feel God is ignoring us.

I think if the fetus is in the first stages, it doesn't have a brain/conscience, it is more moral to do it then.
I can see abortion wanted when a girl gets raped and she didn't ask to bear a child. But ideally should be done as fast as possible, not hidden. Unfortunately, there is stigma.

When is the week that happens that, I don't really know. I do agree with religious people on one thing. There is no remorse for doing abortion when not needed and it is considered a trivial thing. I don't like when women abort babies when they have no reason and they are developed.

I think abortion should still exist, but used only when it is necessary. It is an ugly thing that sometimes it is understandable that it is done.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

I was talking about when you said, "first weeks when it is not developed" in the post I was responding to. I definitely think there's an argument to be made for weighing two things of equal value (the mother's life and the baby's) and deciding to abort the child as a consequence.

Well as it turns out this whole point is moot and irrelevant anyway because the medical industry has been lying about it for years. In reality, birth mortality is so fucking low, you guys might as well have not even brought it up. They made up stats SOLELY for this talking point. In reality, nobody with the modern advent of medical techniques have rendered birthing deaths all but non-existent. Most of which only happen to black women in Africa.

I think abortion should still exist, but used only when it is necessary. It is an ugly thing that sometimes it is understandable that it is done

Well it turns out, it's almost never necessary to be done unless the fetus has something wrong with it or is already dead. I'm so tired of these pro-death harpies grasping at straws and citing the most specific of circumstances that never actually happen in the real world to try to validate consequence-free sex. I'm sorry, but if your answer only applies to less than 1% of the population, nobody rightfully should give a rats anus.

So what are we left with? Incest which applies to like .00001% of the population of the US and that's including Alabama? Rape which barely ends in pregnancy? Okay, let's go with rape. Just like you never consented to be molested, the baby never consented to dying. Fine, let's play that game. Rape can and should allow abortion. If and only if, a rape kit is done and you press charges and cannot drop them.

Abortions will disappear overnight if those were the rules. We'd be back to coat hangers.

 

[Trad Cunt]

Well as it turns out this whole point is moot and irrelevant anyway because the medical industry has been lying about it for years. In reality, birth mortality is so fucking low, you guys might as well have not even brought it up. They made up stats SOLELY for this talking point. In reality, nobody with the modern advent of medical techniques have rendered birthing deaths all but non-existent. Most of which only happen to black women in Africa.

You are so incredibly misinformed. Again, you're just making the pro-life side look bad and seem MATI.

Maternal morality is about 33 per 100,000 in America. Not a significant number at all, but still significant enough to consider. Additionally, the way we collect maternal mortality data is not a straightforward, "How many women died during L&D?" question. It simply counts the amount of deaths between 0 and 12 months postpartum unattributable to accident or another preexisting condition. The majority of these deaths can't even be prevented with medically necessary abortions, so it's honestly just silly to bring up this rate in abortion discussions. That's not what we're discussing.

If we were to ban all abortions, including medically necessary abortions, that means we could no longer do preventative procedures which result in the death of a child but save the mother's life. Ectopic pregnancy comes to mind, where the embryo attaches elsewhere than the uterine wall. Although it's technically possible for these children to live and they may be completely healthy, nonetheless it will kill the mother in the process. ~2% of all pregnancies are ectopic. Besides ectopic pregnancies, there are a host of other medical conditions that could threaten mom's life if she were to continue the pregnancy. Of course she should be given the option to sustain the pregnancy (which is what I would choose), but there is literally no morally coherent justification for the obligation to sacrifice one life to save other. Human life is the most valuable thing on this planet, and all human lives are weighed equally.

I'm so tired of these pro-death harpies grasping at straws and citing the most specific of circumstances that never actually happen in the real world to try to validate consequence-free sex.

Again, very stupid. Being philosophically open to the medical exception is not "grasping at straws," it's medical ethics that someone will have to apply in a clinical setting at some point. Just ignoring the reality of medical necessity in abortion in certain cases because "it happens to only 1% of the population," just makes you sound stupid and unprepared for this conversation.

I don't think anyone is saying that the reality of medically necessary abortions should be considered, that it therefore justifies every single instance of abortion. Even the pro-choicers aren't saying that. You're again missing the point.

Rape can and should allow abortion.

The fact that you're morally grandstanding about medically necessary abortions which weigh two equally morally relevant factors (i.e. two human lives), but you literally support a convenience abortion is hilarious.

You literally think a woman's consent matters more than a baby's life, but you think that same woman's life itself is worth less than the baby's life? Give me a fucking break.

Please stop shitting up the thread with your retardation. Thank you.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Please stop shitting up the thread with your retardation. Thank you.

Ma'am, this is an abortion of a thread. What's there to shit up?

 

[Sweetpeaa]

The U.S went crazy with abortion bans once they realized how small gen Alpha was. Some other countries in the west will unfortunately follow suit.

Where were the abortion bans in the U.S 20 years ago? Oh right. I'm not buying this Christian "plotting" either. You'll hear the excuse the Christians were planning and plotting this for years and just waiting to stuff the supreme court. The U.S is not ruled by Christians it's ruled by capital. If the U.S supreme court was 100 percent conservative back in 2004 I strongly suspect they would have NOT overturned Roe VS. Wade. Really.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

I already addressed the Principle of Double Effect on this thread.

So you are a brain dead idiot. Lmao.