Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Male Idiot said:
It has some anti drone system and its own drones, but it is at least half a decade away. And cruise missiles with 60km range. But even if all that works as intended, it won't be hitting any battlefield for years. Hoholistan is going belly up before the Panther returns from its long exile. Even then, it won't stand up to artillery, and Russia has that in spades.
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On the bright side by the time it ships it may never have the opportunity to experience Russian artillery - unless Russia starts selling their surplus.
 
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The Foxtrot said:
Not with an AK-130. It's a good naval gun, but it's not the sort of weapon you'd want for any sort of shore bombardment, doubly so since it's aft-mounted on a Tarantul. My money's on what @Betonhaus said, it was likely an unmanned derelict meant to make the Ukies waste not (easily) replaceable hardware on a ship that Russia had no more use for.
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This is honestly pretty plausible, that was a truly bizarre deployment otherwise
 
Rubick said:
You mean AK-176.
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I stand corrected. Also, the gun is in the fore (I was confusing the Tarantuls with the Grishas). But it's still not a good choice for any sort of surface bombardment.
geckogoy said:
This is honestly pretty plausible, that was a truly bizarre deployment otherwise
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Well, I have some sad news, the Hiddensee was scrapped in 2023 due to "hull deterioration". Quite a shame.

That being said, I wouldn't doubt it being the case. The Russian Navy hasn't gotten the funding it so desperately needs, and I wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally threw this ship away since these ships aren't very useful anyway. They're too small to be proper ocean-going vessels, too small to be upgraded very much, and they only carry 4 AShMs on top of being pretty obsolete. It's one less ship to throw money at that won't do much good anyway in a (hypothetical) war with the USA.
 
More dead mercs cooks and medics in Avdeevka. Canada and Colombia.

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To be absolutely clear, I'm not posting this to mock the guy. I think this war is a humanitarian disaster and whilst I see the breakaway provinces and Crimea formally becoming part of Russia as the best path to lasting peace, I'm not cheerleading for anyone. I'm just posting this to show the poor sod's reaction. Can you imagine it? The USA and UK tell you "Hey, go provoke Russia into war. We got your backs. Much money and weapons as you need." Then you're dying in the thousands, your economy is in tatters, you're reduced to using smoke shells on the off-chance they somehow land directly on somebody's head, your politicians' kids are all excused service because they are "in university education" and then the USA says "well, we'll loan you $33bn at a very generous interest rate and by the way, we want to see more LGBTQ++ materials in your primary schools."

I mean, look at this guy. Probably half his mates are dead and Victoria Nuland is telling him "we need to see more gay people!" I mean I'm not really on the Kiev side of this conflict per se but Good Lord, they wont be wrong to think we (the West) betrayed and used them.


 
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Sexual Chocolate said:
They didn't even try to sneak them out of Berlin or at least get them out of the Fuhrerbunker and hide them among the civilian population.
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It would've ended in retardation anyway because those kids are still Germans who overdo everything. Most close relatives/descendants of Nazi leaders have anheroed or are grandstanding/virtue signalling about getting sterilized or going out of their way to marry and have children with Untermenschen.
 
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Cuckoman said:
Another day and still no one does what Nuland tells them to do. This feels like the entire government there is about to implode.
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I had thought that Ukraine would falter from a bottom-up crisis rather than a mixed crisis. I figured low soldier morale would be ignored and eventually would get so bad that it would destroy Ukraine, but it would seem as though factions within the Ukrainian government realize it is a problem and so there is turmoil.

Therefore I ask the question, would intense political conflicts result in the soldiers not continuing to fight?

Also I ask the question what could Russia do to make this crisis worse? Would a large amount of Ad hoc offensives add fuel to this fire or would it be counterproductive? Is there some other action Russia could take or should they simply sit and wait?
 
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