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And let's not forget that said process wouldn't of worked anyways. Seriously, the more you look at what the Fireflies were doing, the more you think the government had the right idea towards them.
The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.
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Fun fact: you cannot make a vaccine against fungal infections! Even all the wonders of our modern medicine can't manage to make one, so how on earth would a bunch of underqualified yahoos in the apocalypse be able to?
Not to mention that even if they were able to, the sheer amount of contaminants in that OR would have fucked the samples. Black mold's growing on the walls, Jerry's wearing dirty hiking boots, they claim Ellie's prepped for surgery yet they didn't shave her head (the first fucking thing you do when you prep someone for brain surgery).... the Fireflies were so absurdly incompetent that it's a miracle they hung on for as long as they did. It's funny how Neil tries to posit them as the good guys when only things they ever did was butcher immune people in grody ORs and destroy a bunch of QZs that were keeping thousands safe from the fungus. So much for trying to restore the world.
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I always wondered why the hell they needed to cut open her head when they were trying to make a vaccine. Wouldn't a blood sample do? Or maybe a spinal tap to examine her cerebrospinal fluids? The leader of the Fireflies is suppose to of had feelings for Ellie's mom and swore to protect her daughter but is completely willing to dissect her brain in an assured failure of an attempt to create an impossible vaccine.
Joel should of gone back and slaughtered the rest of them.
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That was something retconned from 1, in a poor attempt to make Abby's drive for revenge more understandable.
But even going off of what 2 rewrote, the Fireflies had to have to run out of knives and resorted to performing surgery with hammers to have a 100% kill rate out of dozens of attempts. The fucking Romans were performing basic brain surgery to treat loads of things.
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So, I got $100 in GamesStop credit burning a hole in my pocket, and you're all saying that this game is not worth the money?
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Playing the first one without any outside manipulation, I already thought they were a bunch of unreliable retards and even if they managed to magically get their vaccine, they would be a bunch of tyrants about it. That they were retconned to "the good guys" in 2 would have driven me insane. Joel did nothing wrong murdering them.
They needed to add fake stakes to force an extreme decision on Joel. The whole concept is fucking insane if you think of it more than 5 seconds.
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Save it for something better. The game came out like 4 years ago, and it's too shit to be worth a remaster.
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The thing that never really made sense to me about Ellie in TLOU2(among other things) is that she’s supposedly super pissed and Joel for taking away her “death meaning something” or whatever, but nothing about how she acts in that game says “I am mad about be like alive”. Like she interacts with people in town willing, is overly judgmental about “bigot sandwiches”, is out hooking up and starting a relationship with someone, ect.
If she was so torn up about not being “allowed to die to save the world” or whatever, she should either be a mopey shut-in who barely interacts with anyone or overly eager to go out into the wild and risk her life all the time, rebel with a death wish style.
The way she lives her life and her supposed main falling out with Joel doesn’t make any damn sense.
If she was so torn up about not being “allowed to die to save the world” or whatever, she should either be a mopey shut-in who barely interacts with anyone or overly eager to go out into the wild and risk her life all the time, rebel with a death wish style.
The way she lives her life and her supposed main falling out with Joel doesn’t make any damn sense.
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Yours is the post I'm gonna sperg on.
Firstly, I want to start off by stating that I have a newfound appreciation for Neil. On a creator level. That doc made me see how hard (and autistic) they worked toward bringing that objectively beautiful and technically masterful piece of media to life, when it could have died on the vine and we would have been left with a bunch of "what ifs" about this game. Also, if you turn your brain off, this wasn't/isn't a bad play from a "kill time" perspective. (I say this while considering That Chris Guy's advice. I won't pay full retail for it, but I'll get it on the discount, like I did with the original release.)
That said, the story was a blatant analogue for nihilism; of the one-track beat that it focused on. It could have helped having a necessary subplot of moving humanity forward. But, it but chose to put all its eggs in the "revenge iz bad" basket. Ellie could've indeed become a (Seraphite prophet level) patron saint and sacrificed her sexuality for the goal of reproducing the population with her immune spawns (which would've absolutely been a viable option, if anyone saw TLOU Max series.) Instead, she wanted to become a (I'm sure if the surgeries were available) pooner cucked stepdad, all to avoid using her womb to usher in the new breed of humanity. (Considering the character was based on Elliot/Ellen Paige, who came out as lesbian in 2014, a year after TLOU 1 was released, I believe this was/is Ellie's inevitable arc. If Neil has his way, I'm sure this is going to be a story thread in TLOU 3, (with Lev being the requisite warm up) if they don't just all out make it a major plot point. Which, if Emilia Schatz has anything to do with it, will be an unskippable, 20-minute coming-out cutscene.)
To make matters worse, Neil couldn't even follow through with his murderous rampage story by having Ellie kill Abby. If the point was "killing her won't make her whole" why was she denied going through with the act, and thus denying her the revelation? Even that would have been a complete ending to the story.
All that visceral realness, particle effects, atmospheric sound design. All the NPCs that were mercilessly slain, all the innocent puppers. A patch of blood paved toward the one who, of all, deserved it... and she couldn't complete.
Now that I think about it, this game feels like an analogy of some very torrid debauchery that doesn't end in completion. One, long edging session that ends in flaccid despair.
Rant over.
E: because they Jewed up Emilia's name on autocorrect. lol Schwartz...
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Here's to N.D bankrupting before this happens. I know that may be a long shot but not even Sony can keep bailing them out over and over forever.
Dont give him ideas.
Saw that this tweet went viral today.
It is pretty interesting how Ellie is seemingly willing to quite literally bite the bullet to give humanity a shot at immunity, but when that doesn't happen she never tries the next available option, which is to spread her immunity via having biological children. She can sacrifice her very life for humanity, but can't stomach sacrificing in this way? Especially considering her having children is probably the best shot at spreading her immunity to the rest of humanity- the first game mentions how live fungal samples of the inert strain of cordyceps were found in her bloodstream. This means that any kids she'd have would be made immune in the womb thanks to fluid transfer with the umbilical cord, and any daughters of hers would also be able to spread the immunity via the same process, and their daughters after them. "Inoculation" via blood transfusions is a crapshoot, as transfusing the wrong blood type into a person can straight up kill them and humanity 20 years deep into the apocalypse doesn't have the capability to do en masse blood tests to ensure they aren't killing more people than they're helping. Ellie having kids is pretty much the only way to feasibly spread immunity to the rest of humanity.
You could have had a really interesting character conflict in Ellie by having her struggle with reconciling the fact that her children might be the only hope humanity has and her own sexuality making acquiring said children unpleasant at best and downright unbearable at worst. This wouldn't fly with the crowd that Neil courts, though, and they'd probably screech about it being "conversion therapy rhetoric" or something similar but equally stupid. So instead of having Ellie face that genuinely interesting, thought-provoking dilemma, they don't even have this option cross her mind and she just gives up on trying to spread her immunity despite being incensed at Joel for saving her from the Fireflies.
Speaks a lot about the poor sense of morality leftists tend to have. Ellie sacrificing her life is noble but apparently her sacrificing her sexuality isnt? It goes to show how life is cheap to them but ideology isnt.
But then again, feels like we are to the point we can write about a virgin pregnant woman carrying the chosen one to save humanity during an apocalypse and it ends with her aborting it because she "doesnt want to be defined by the simple act of birthing" or "I never wanted children" or some shit like that. And leftists will unironically clap this as the ultimate empowering act and to show humanity doesnt need some "convenient" chosen one when we got individuality and identity or some garbage shit like that or that humanity doesnt deserve to be saved because we are evil or something.
They were running on multiple "maybe"s. There is a CHANCE it could work, but that chance was actually really fucking small. And even if that small chance works, a cure still isnt guaranteed and there is still the argument of distribution, it would take several decades until they produced enough cure for all of humanity. And thats assuming the fireflies have truly the best of pure intentions and wont hold out on cure for their enemies and neutral parties until they "convert" to their movement.
Joel probably knew all of this deep down, he saw humanity's ugliness in the face and knows that we are better off rebuilding on our own pace rather than add an immense game changer that could lead into more conflict due to human nature.
So not only was Abby's father an immoral fuck head but he was a dumb fuckhead.
Rest in Piss, shit head.
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i think everyone needs to remember the suspension of disbelief is a thing for a reason. maybe it's not realistic for some of the things to have happened in either game, but for the sake of the story to work, you gotta let yourself believe the things they're saying does. i think we're forgetting that
it's also a work of fiction. it's not real. lets not get too riled up over it.
it's also a work of fiction. it's not real. lets not get too riled up over it.
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And there's a reason we call it the suspension of disbelief. We are only suspending our disbelief until the story pushes too far and we can't suspend it anymore. The Last of Us is well past that point.
No one is pretending that it isn't a work of fiction. But if people didn't get worked up over fiction, then nobody would care about fiction in the first place. The worst thing in the world for a story to be is boring and uninteresting. To be forgotten and not cared about at all.
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true, but ive seen some of the posts on this thread. i think we may be a bit overzealous with some of our takes here
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Druckmann tends to bring that out in people.
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Eh, I'm just here to criticise bad writing and the director who furiously masturbates to his own subpar work (Druckmann).
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Agreed. My suspension of disbelief applies as long as I'm entertained, the moment I'm not entertained I will stop humoring you and starting making observations and asking questions. Biggest example for me is Batman Dark Knight, that movie makes NO fucking sense if you think about the Joker's plan for more than 5 minutes, but I was entertained enough to not really focus on the details. On my second watch though, I was a lot more aware of how much the movie is asking of me to make things "work".
TLoU never managed to properly keep me entertained, hell, the first one I was hate playing between a combination of it being loaned by a friend and everyone and their mother praising it and me just not getting the appeal. So yes, to me the fireflies were a bunch of mouth breathing retards that couldn't be trusted with pet rocks like @The handsome tard suggested.
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So ND is getting hit as part of the new Sony layoffs.
