Do Men Even Like Women?

[Freshly Baked Socks]

can your boss ask you to wear more makeup or wax your brows etc.

Could he ask you to shave your mustache/beard?

Because that shit is normal for men.

 

[Shidoen]

Should they be?

Personally I don't think there should be any sort of draft with how the American Government treats its people, but I will acknowledge that they will eventually get desperate enough to have women included into the draft should the need arise.

 

[I Shidded I Farded I Came]

you havent read anything written by her. not even the excerpts I used for the prompt in the OP.

I would say joke's on you but I was forced to read the book you quoted for humanities credit which definitely counts as a personal L. It's also the reason I bothered to reply in the first place. I'll assume you are not just shitposting and expand on my opinion of Dworkin. I have some time to kill. Feel free to ignore the following as what it is; a retard with internet access and a drool stained shirt babbling into the void.

She projects her own experiences and hardships onto other women so consistently that the tactic is featured in both of the excerpts you posted. She refuses to take responsibility for, or attempt to justify, her own opinions treating them as if they were self-evidently true. She hides her very specific examples behind generalizations ("we" "women" "most men") and passive language. How is she any different than an MRA (or whatever) who was betrayed, real or imagined, by a woman spouting shit like "all women are untrustworthy whores" on the farms? What can you learn from her that you could not be told by an average nine year old? That women are generally more passive than men? Real big brain shit there Andrea. Good thing we had you to write 350 pages about it.

Her motte and baily tactics are so blatant and her writing so venomous and sophistic that it does more harm to the feminist cause than any misogynist could. I have no doubt that her finger pointing and whining have turned otherwise sympathetic people away from very real concerns. Imagine you were a man and she was your first exposure to feminist thought; would you go on to read more measured, moral, and rational, authors (which might actually contextualize her writing and make it more palatable/comprehensible) or just pass on that shit as a waste of time?

In my opinion the only difference between her and other grifters like Andrew Tate or whoever the current internet daddy for lost boys happens to be is the academic veneer.

 

[Seedling]

She projects her own experiences and hardships onto other women so consistently that the tactic is featured in both of the excerpts you posted. She refuses to take responsibility for, or attempt to justify, her own opinions treating them as if they were self-evidently true. She hides her very specific examples behind generalizations ("we" "women" "most men") and passive language

I only ever read the the quotes on the OP and this is the same impression i got, you could really switch the gender and it wouldn't look out of place on r/incels.

Imagine you were a man and she was your first exposure to feminist thought

hah funny that

 

[Shidoen]

@I Shidded I Farded I Came
Most of the time people are extremists not out of legitimate belief for their causes, they simply want to be extremists.

 

[DYLAN ‘DIELAWN’ VOLK]

Is this thread a response to her getting mocked in her designated thread? Lmao.

 

[Shidoen]

@Stan the designated eater of ass for the chinamen

 

[Seedling]

Most of the time people are extremists not out of legitimate belief for their causes, they simply want to be extremists.

an evergreen classic

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

Perhaps it is not that most of the men Stan complains about dislike women categorically, but simply dislike women like her. Goodness knows there is not one redeeming quality about her. Then again, she boasts about putting over 100 people on ignore and instead of reflecting inward with introspection, insists "no, it is the kids who are wrong."

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

This doesn't really answer my question, which is 'do men even like women?'

That's such a broad question. It's like asking "Do men like sandwiches?" and if I say "I like ham and cheese sandwiches but dislike ice cream sandwiches," someone like Dworkin would extrapolate that into "THAT SEXY GERIATRIC HATES ALL SANDWICHES."

I cannot speak for all men; men are individuals with their own views and beliefs. I judge women as individuals and by their actions, same as with men. Some I like, some I don't. Dworkin would take those last six words and extrapolate them into "THAT ELDERLY HUNK IS A RAGING MYSOGINIST WHO OBJECTIFIES WOMEN." Will you do the same?

 

[There Is Light At The End]

Yes. I like women

 

[Lady Bizness]

men do not do this shit.

Honestly, you have described why I didn't get along with my own gender for the longest time, but have somehow figured it out in the last stretch here. When it comes down to it, there are some things that only women are going to understand and be supportive about, and there is something true about not actually being able to have a deep but platonic friendship with someone of the opposite sex.

As for men not doing this shit, well, the younguns are finding their way into my workplace and I guess there is some truth to men being "feminized" if this is truly something men don't do. Granted, you don't find any typical men at my workplace so, there's that.

 

[Waifu Days]

I can't help myself.

 

[Mr Bunny]

@Stan the designated eater of ass for the chinamen

Wait when was this admitted too? I knew she gets fucked in the ass but she eats the poop poop too?

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I can't help myself.

RIP King

I see Andrea Dworkin mentioned. Now if you put her, Janet Maslin, and Germaine Greer in a box and made them fight to the death...who do you suppose would win?

 

[umami's milk]

Why debate w*men when I can use my superior strength to beat them?


No man ever feels threatened by a woman (we can simply beat them). Any man that does is a eunuch or fat

still no camaro, bro?

 

[Waifu Days]

RIP King

I see Andrea Dworkin mentioned. Now if you put her, Janet Maslin, and Germaine Greer in a box and made them fight to the death...who do you suppose would win?

Gail Dines. Even if not invited to the fight, she will claim her dominance.

 

[Banditotron]

Women are people, and much like men, who are also people, I hate them. Yet, I love them all the same. I love people but I hate people. It's just how it is.

 

[Shidoen]

still no camaro, bro?

I'm going to get the camaro and all the women of my choice before he does!

 

[Lemmingwiser]

She projects her own experiences and hardships
...
How is she any different than an MRA

Andrea Dworkin is a woman. MRA's are men engaging in copying feminine behavior and assuming that the sexes are equal and should be treated equal (a fallacy).
The only people who say they want to be treated equal are those who feel they're oppressed. Both MRA's and women are correct in that they don't have much power. But MRA's are more contemptible because they go against the masculine: they flaunt their weakness.

A lot of commentary from Dworkin is actually quite insightful if biased, but it's good to remember that she also made up a lot of stuff about being victimised, like when she claimed to have been raped at 52 by two men working in the hotel she was staying at.

Men of the Farms: is that true?

Because there have been numerous reaction threads to the Man-hate thread like "Actually, women do like men", and "men are good actually". I think it is clear that at least some of you think Null is running the pink forum wrong for having DMZ'd the man-hate thread, because Josh complains a lot about you guys in the woman-hate thread (which... was created after the man-hate thread, in response to it.) And then you all complained again when he moved the thread from General - Off Topic to Mass Debates.)

The audacity of you guys though, because it seems like you really do feel threatened by the man-hate thread. Despite the DMZ status, men are actually allowed to post in that thread, they just have to be pleasant. Can't you guys smile at women a little more? Why do you need 13 different anti-feminist threads to decry the one (or three if non DMZd threads are counted) active post where women can talk about men however they want?

Men of the Farms: can you prove Andrea wrong?

Because much of the time I notice users here who are just profligately angry at women in general and female users on this forum in particular. I have 113 users on ignore, and most of them are there because they can't really talk to me so much as string sexist phrases together with insults to form sentences. I like to think that these guys (and it's almost all guys, guys) have the capability to talk civilly, and that the anonymity of being online is disinhibiting, but is this what you chads really think of women? Because the men here call women foids, holes, whores and slits, and then they get all moody and sad bc it is impossible it is for them to get a gf and the apps are degrading and all the women are rotten. But if this stuff is coursing around in your head, why wouldn't it bleed out into your daily life?

Do you even like women? If so, why?

Andrea Dworkin was tapped into the deepest political reality of gender relations. She understood the challenge for women to be taken seriously as political contender better than almost anyone. And she was 100% correct in how men look down on women in politics. And also how, particularly in the entire history before her (not as much, but still mostly so in the future after her) that women shrink down from men when it comes down to it in politics.

But Andrea Dworkin didn't have a holistic view on women and men. From her point of view, it was women first, then men. She did not seek harmony. She did not seek equality. But more importantly she was completely divorced from the sexual realm of what exists between men and women. She was married to a homosexual and he was possibly the least interesting and most spineless writer I've ever read anything from. Whatever the reasons for their marriage, sexual attraction played no part in it.

And what is at the core of sexual relationship between men and women? Beyond the purely physical or vile debasement that people may engage in? At its core, men are almost universally attracted to fertility and vulnerability. The feminine is to be some form of cute, dainty, young (but matured), unblemished. At its core, women are almost universally attracted to strength and social status. The masculine is to be some form of capable, productive, dangerous, important.

But why talk about the sexual dynamics in someone so obsessed with politics? It's because most of the difference in how women and men get treated stem from the sexual realm. Male judges are harder on men than women with the same rap sheets. Journalists use kiddy gloves on female sexual offenders describing their victimization of students as "relationships", heck the country of France is ruled by such a victim, where he became an easy stooge for the Rothschild family that abused him. At the other end, women are seen as being too willing to compromise and give in to be good in politics, and those that created a brand of not being so are so deeply unlikeable for being so unfeminine like hillary clinton. The iron lady may have pulled it off, but it's a very very rare talent with the deck stacked against women in politics. Maybe brit women have a special talent for it to make up for their unflattering appearances.

And when you look at sexual fantasies between men and women you can see the huge disparity, with men fantasizing about raping and women fantasizing about being raped. Even in the illusionary realm of fantasy men think about taking women and women think about being taken.

Can we really divorce the secular realm of law, politics, society from the sexual? You can't completely. Autistically it would seem that you can and should, but it's not so clear when you get down to the details of what makes us overgrown monkeys, of what makes us tick inside. Going against our hormones and instincts requires very strong overarching goals, it requires a type of divine inspiration. Or a rose by any other name.

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But you're not even really tangling with these questions. You are really asking "oh why do you persecute me so!". It's very fitting view of someone so ensconced in Judaism, by trying to fit in with jews who will always also have either secretly or openly looked down on you as a gentile. If not on racial basis, then on the willingness with which you throw away your own heritage and lick ass, both literally and proverbially. And you got so emotionally invested in this that you still post jewish boyfriend defend judaism at every chance.

Do men like women? You ask. But are you really asking that? You seem to be asking it of a specific group. Do the autistically ridiculously statusless men like women? Well why would they? They aren't liked by women. They are not what women desire. And as a result the best they can get from women, is to be friendzoned. You try to goad and poke them for attention and call them chads with sarcasm. Why would they like you? Why would they like any women?

Well they should, of course, because life isn't all about sex. It's like water I guess, it doesn't seem that important unless you never get any. There are almost as many women that are productive and helpful as men. This means that women have the capacity, despite what harry met sally argued, to be good friends. Some even to be great friends. Because the whole jokey "the men want to have sex with them anyways" is a fallacy, because men in general, would have sex with almost anyone they find attractive. All but the most desperate men, could still just be friends afterwards too. They should like women, because women can be good and if they're biased, they might miss good opportunities of finding good people.

This is the same advice I would have for women in women's shelters that are radicalized against men; they should like men because men can be good and are about as likely to be so as not.

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Why would you even care what such low status men think? It's really because you've got little else recourse. You said it yourself years ago when you commented on yourself being an "idle diletante". Unproductive. But I'll go a step further, you're too self-obsessed and not gentle enough to be really appreciated for your femininity. You engage with topics men find interesting, but you're too crass, to the point of bragging online on an account connected to your real life identity about eating ass. Now I'm sure the world is filled with men that can appreciate a woman that will tickle their taint with her tongue, but the size of that group rapidly declines when she also goes on to brag about it as if it's an accomplishment. It's embarrassing when a woman doesn't understand that she diminishes herself by such an admission. And even in the manner of bragging about it as if it's sexual conquest, is masculine.

You are desperate for engagement and attention, which is why you do it here, where people are fascinated by those that debase themselves publicly. You would love it if the kiwifarms were shut down, but never contend with the fact that precisely the things you hate about this place are something that are mirrored in your own personality, which also sets you apart from general population. You hate me sharing the identity behind your account, but at the same time doxed people in your past as a "journalist".

But it isn't a completely pleasurable kind of attention. People don't seem to like you. This site has both man hate thread (based @Lidl Drip ) and a women hate thread, but somehow to you it's just men that don't like women. This lack of empathy, of charity could all be forgiven if you were instead funny, perhaps the greatest virtue to have on this site beyond being accurate. Now I'm not a funny person either regardless of my attempts, but at least I'm generally quite accurate and some people seem to appreciate that.

What would you be appreciated for? What do you for others why they should like you?

Genuinely the only thing I know about you that others appreciate is that you're willing to eat ass of the people you have sex with. Now most men wouldn't find you attractive. You're not that young anymore. You're a mother. You're fat. I'm sure that there are still men who would jump at the chance for it, but that doesn't provide anything to be valued by anonymous people on a site. You're not even that appreciated by the other girls in the man hate thread. You have some erudition to you with your interests, but no personal insights that carry an audience, or you would have just continued blogging and gotten attention that way.

Maybe people don't like you because you're not that likeable. This is wholly under your control. Men may choose to despise you, but you choose whether you carry yourself in a way that is valuable to other people or not. Whether you provide or are needy.

Finally, @Lemmingwiser KYS

(@Lemmingwiser KYS)

@Lemmingwiser KYS

There are plenty of women that are likeable. But currently you aren't one of them.

Pull up. Roll with the punches. Make some jokes. Don't take yourself so seriously. And for the love of god, stop doxing yourself or goading people to dox you on a stalker forum.