Private/Direct Messages Chain Spam Issue

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

I always played it by ear of "Don't be too retarded." (Hoping for NEVER being retarded is beyond optimistic we all get a lil tardy) and "Would this absolutely shit up the thread or not?" It's half working out so far.

I just treat a DM as another room with open doors in the same bigger house packed full of fuckers, sometimes you're not being a super secret whisperer you just want to talk to/at some specific people without having to shout. Sometimes there's no real good topic for the absolute throw away thing on your mind and sometimes you really wanna call someone else a faggot or lean in and say something is a load of barnacles without causing a sticker fight and a derail and shitting up a thread. And sometimes as gay as it is you like the cut of someone's jib.

Though IMO on the offsite concerns: If you were and or actively are adding people on any other chat app or social media that you "know" or "met" here you might just be a tremendous op-sec dumb dumb so DMing goobers is a kinda half measure.

Yeah, but opsec will always be an thing and most people don't have much in the way of personal morals when it comes to revenge doxxing.

Even if you have absolutely nothing to hide and you're John Q Boring himself. Nobody should be dumb enough to hand out anything actionable just in case of a loopy screwloose dipshit either offsite or otherwise. That and nobody on earth especially here is immune to getting nuclear butt blasted enough to want to expose you because you called their favorite game shit or them a funny slur in the designated funny slur board.

 

[NerdShamer]

Though IMO on the offsite concerns: If you were and or actively are adding people on any other chat app or social media that you "know" or "met" here you might just be a tremendous op-sec dumb dumb so DMing goobers is a kinda half measure.

Which I honestly find to be incredibly weird that Null is slowly pushing us into that direction

 

[Netizennameless]

People

You can do this in Q&A no problem.

This is the root of the problem. People don't want to be herded into their own topical hugboxes for every separate conversation or have interesting topics shut down because some mod doesn't like the discussion being off-topic. They also don't want to have to keep track of which boards they will get yelled at in and which boards are open. It's too much effort compared to DMs where no one's moderating.

With that said, the DM invite abuse is a a real problem.

 

[NerdShamer]

This is the root of the problem. People don't want to be herded into their own topical hugboxes for every separate conversation or have interesting topics shut down because some mod doesn't like the discussion being off-topic.

Coincidentally, this is one of the many reasons on what's wrong with Onion Farms.

 

[Cats]

You can make that argument with me, I like my username despite the light it casts on me, but can you make that argument with @Cats who was added to the same threads and hundreds of other users who just so happen to have Cat in their username? (FYI, I have no idea what his opinion on this is, and it's possible @Cats is actually a tulpa.)

Because it's on topic, here's a profile page interaction from last Thursday covering this same bullshit that sums up my thoughts nicely.

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Yeah, I get invited to a LOT of those weird DM chains. Very seldom do I actually read them but very happy to use each one as a new Shitposting Adventure.

 

[Dyn]

Good, I'm sick of quietly leaving these without reading them.

 

[Mankirk]

Reasons I spend more times in DM chains:
-It is not searchable, by search engines or even using site tools
-If you desire, you can still go back through the history (more than 50 one-line messages re: sneedchat)
-It doesn't gamify your posting or reactions
-Rules are created and enforced by community interactions
-Notifications for unread DMs are more reliable and visible than notifications for watched threads
-Some people feel emboldened enough to PL even while being told to stop. This is good content and I'm not sorry for enjoying it.
-It can be simultaneously user focused and topic focused, with no strictly enforced penalties for blurring these lines
-The above creates conflict fueled drama at times, which can be as enjoyable as any public lolcow
-Initiating new people into the culture, seeing their perspective on it, and their subsequent conflict and/or formation of an identity is rewarding and good content.
-Inviting people to get new eyes allows for you to break through insular community involvement, in a way that is more intuitive and welcome than @ing a bunch of random people in a public thread. I'm so sorry some people don't enjoy it but how difficult is it to leave the chat? Can leaving be made even more braindead simple for these people somehow?
-I don't go looking for random threads to participate in because a lot of those boards are filled with low effort posts that aren't as enjoyable as DM posts.

I'd be happy with a "leave and block inviter" option, but I doubt what I want or think matters.

On the topic of wishlists I'd love a way to invite every user who has not blocked DM invites, but that sounds even less realistic.

 

[vomitusdeux]

how hard is it exactly to just post about your hobbies without doxing yourself?

My hobby is directly identifiable to me. My hobby is extremely niche and there's not a lot of people who are into it. This hobby is completely sfw and not embarrassing, just very spergy. But, I don't exactly want all my profiles plastered everywhere either just because you could find me in the top results by googling the name of the hobby. My solution is I just simply don't. I just shitpost 99.98% of the time instead.

 

[eatler]

I’m not saying to not pull out the sauce when someone is being a faggot. It’s just that, if Josh wants people to use KF more like social media (which is kind of how the off-topic boards operate), then there has to be a reaction of “that’s not cool” when someone does in when it’s uncalled for.

There was one pretty recently where we had a new fag that stupidly made an account with a personal email. Sure he was retarded for doing that but the OP kill yourself wasn’t necessary.

 

[Keith Kunt]

Which I honestly find to be incredibly weird that Null is slowly pushing us into that direction

He's specifically said in this thread he's trying to find a solution that doesn't encourage that.

I think it's easy. Have a new board just called Shitposting. It can't be seen by unregistered users. Double/triple posting is allowed. Perhaps messages are purged after they are 30 days old (the seasonal boards like the halloween one seem to show people might like this). That's probably enough of a midway that people would accept it.

 

[Sharpeteer]

I've been brought into several DM chats like this, and instead of wanting to talk about something cool like old Star Wars or autism, no, it's just a spam chain where the first message is literally the OP telling you how to leave the chat, and the first several messages being people pointing that out and laughing at him.

 

[eatler]

Reasons I spend more times in DM chains:
-It is not searchable, by search engines or even using site tools
-If you desire, you can still go back through the history (more than 50 one-line messages re: sneedchat)
-It doesn't gamify your posting or reactions
-Rules are created and enforced by community interactions
-Notifications for unread DMs are more reliable amd visible than notifications for watched threads
-Some people feel emboldened enough to PL even while being told to stop. This is good content and I'm not sorry for enjoying it.
-It can be simultaneously user focused and topic focused, with no strictly enforced penalties for blurring these lines
-The above creates conflict fueled drama at times, which can be as enjoyable as any public lolcow
-Initiating new people into the culture, seeing their perspective on it, and their subsequent conflict and/or formation of an identity is rewarding and good content.
-Inviting people to get new eyes allows for you to break through insular community involvement, in a way that is more intuitive and welcome than @ing a bunch of random people in a public thread. I'm so sorry some people don't enjoy it but how difficult is it to leave the chat? Can leaving be made even more braindead simple for these people somehow?
-I don't go looking for random threads to participate in because a lot of those boards are filled with low effort posts that aren't as enjoyable as DM posts.

I'd be happy with a "leave and block inviter" option, but I doubt what I want or think matters.

On the topic of wishlists I'd love a way to invite every user who has not blocked DM invites, but that sounds even less realistic.

Your also a cursed human being too. But your fun that way.

 

[afounder]

On my forums, I have always limited DM convos to 10 max. My philosophy is that if you need to be in a group of 10 or more, then you need take it to another platform like Discord or Telegram.

I think people treat DM groups too much like group chats. Even though they are similar, the Xenforo messaging system isn't designed for a large amount of people, and the DM spam is quite annoying too.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

He's specifically said in this thread he's trying to find a solution that doesn't encourage that.

I think it's easy. Have a new board just called Shitposting. It can't be seen by unregistered users. Double/triple posting is allowed. Perhaps messages are purged after they are 30 days old (the seasonal boards like the halloween one seem to show people might like this). That's probably enough of a midway that people would accept it.

Purging messages/threads would be a good solution!

 

[AgendaPoster]

Generally don't get the extreme reaction to this although I don't really like the DM chains. When I was invited to shit I disliked, like chains with gore and faggotry, I simply left a message saying it's not for me and left.
I remained in like two of them, the Hatebox and the Crab whatever, cause occasionally people would sperg out in funny, entertaining ways (ahem like some did in the Hatebox just today).
However, I do think that users should instead be faggots in the open forums instead. Slapfights, MDing, mmmm, comfy.
Maybe Jersh will delete other hugbox threads too, wink-wink.
I know, hope dies last.

 

[NerdShamer]

I think it's easy. Have a new board just called Shitposting. It can't be seen by unregistered users

But then that will require an new janny for that board. One that won't cause another leak.

 

[Glowie]

On the side note, I sent a calico steam key to @Orc-Chud after he told that he liked cats and had steam prior this rule. I tend to drop steam games to members at random in group DMs or otherwise.

I just my orc to build orc run craft cafe with no strings attached, I assume it got caught in spam filter or something, pity.

 

[Moths]

I don't think you're doing anything wrong, I think DMs are always going to naturally feel safer to talk more casually than public forums. I always assumed people preferred using DMs for more normal conversations over using the off topic boards to avoid being doxxed by the insane vengeful troons that stalk the forums.

Also consider that KF forum culture has always hammered "do not power level" and I think even in boards where it is allowed, people tend to hold back and feel like they can't talk about themselves as much as they can in chat/DMs.

Pretty much this. When posting on the forum you often have to think whether what your revealing is too much powerlevelling compared to a pseudo-private group where nobody really cares as much and shooting the shit generally.

As another user pointed out DMs are really easy to check out due to message notifications which leads to dms being pretty fast paced compared to watched threads which for some reason th notifications dont seem to go through for.

Maybe an idea will be to have watched threads show up like dm notifications to more easily track threads you'd like to keep an active eye on?

Reasons I spend more times in DM chains:
-It is not searchable, by search engines or even using site tools
-If you desire, you can still go back through the history (more than 50 one-line messages re: sneedchat)
-It doesn't gamify your posting or reactions
-Rules are created and enforced by community interactions
-Notifications for unread DMs are more reliable and visible than notifications for watched threads
-Some people feel emboldened enough to PL even while being told to stop. This is good content and I'm not sorry for enjoying it.
-It can be simultaneously user focused and topic focused, with no strictly enforced penalties for blurring these lines
-The above creates conflict fueled drama at times, which can be as enjoyable as any public lolcow
-Initiating new people into the culture, seeing their perspective on it, and their subsequent conflict and/or formation of an identity is rewarding and good content.
-Inviting people to get new eyes allows for you to break through insular community involvement, in a way that is more intuitive and welcome than @ing a bunch of random people in a public thread. I'm so sorry some people don't enjoy it but how difficult is it to leave the chat? Can leaving be made even more braindead simple for these people somehow?
-I don't go looking for random threads to participate in because a lot of those boards are filled with low effort posts that aren't as enjoyable as DM posts.

I'd be happy with a "leave and block inviter" option, but I doubt what I want or think matters.

On the topic of wishlists I'd love a way to invite every user who has not blocked DM invites, but that sounds even less realistic.

Also this

 

[rel=alternate]

That is true and always will be true, and I’m not suggesting a solution to it. The thing that can change is peoples’s reactions to when it happens.


Nowhere else really has a platform for that kinda thing except maybe doxbin, and even then they don’t have an audience like KF does.

Seems like an overcomplicated solution to a simple problem to me.

You won't stop people from being mean-spirited and go too far once they know who you are. The threat of a reaction is not much of a deterrent.

And if it is to be enforced, we're going to have to set rules around it, have mods to apply these rules uniformly etc... Where does too much start or end? Does context matter? Is there a legitimate interest? Is it just mean spirited?

At the end of the day, you probably will have created more confusion. And you will have fixed nothing because info was released to begin with.

I am pretty sure that there are already informal rules on how far users can go when it comes to chasing others down for the sake of it.

If Null is willing to sometimes delete inactive threads for reformed cows, I can't really imagine why he would throw the line at keeping the dox of some innocent grandma on the site.

 

[Null]

-It doesn't gamify your posting or reactions

does this shit REALLY affect your fucking posting habits that much? They mean NOTHING. They do NOTHING. They exist to stop people from posting "agree".