Suggestion and Update Thread

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89357th sticker/reaction feedback:

Make it so only admins can neg-rate, and keep normal users with basic positive/neutral reactions E.g.
:like::dislike::agree::disagree::informative::feels::optimistic:+horrifying, All of these sufficiently cover everything that needs to be conveyed with reactions.
Return notifications. Toggle it off by default if need. It's such a useful noti for small users.
 
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My issue with getting rid of the stickers is less about wanting to see my updoots, and more that it's making it harder to navigate to threads I am active in. A reaction to my most recent post provides a very convenient link to where I last left off in the thread. Which is very useful, especially in a fast moving thread.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
My issue with getting rid of the stickers is less about wanting to see my updoots, and more that it's making it harder to navigate to threads I am active in. A reaction to my most recent post provides a very convenient link to where I last left off in the thread. Which is very useful, especially in a fast moving thread.
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The thread keeps track of where you left off already.
 
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Null said:
The thread keeps track of where you left off already.
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doesn't always work for me since I use a cell phone tether that changes my IP constantly. Not a big deal though, I should just introduce myself to the bookmarking feature and watched threads feature. Never had to bother with em before though since engagement alerts basically combined the two.
 
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Since people crucially require upvote notes to navigate the site and don't actually use it for monkeybrained affirmation, I thought up a potential compromise that will make everybody happy.

- Bring back sticker notes for people who turn them on.
- Make them always appear as dumb ratings in the notifications feed
- Every time you get one the "SARGON NEEDS MORE DOPAMINE" sound clip plays really loudly.
- Every time you click one it adds the "OOOO, MORE SERATOOOONIN" part
 
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Dyn said:
Since people crucially require upvote notes to navigate the site and don't actually use it for monkeybrained affirmation, I thought up a potential compromise that will make everybody happy.

- Bring back sticker notes for people who turn them on.
- Make them always appear as dumb ratings in the notifications feed
- Every time you get one the "SARGON NEEDS MORE DOPAMINE" sound clip plays really loudly.
- Every time you click one it adds the "OOOO, MORE SERATOOOONIN" part
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An addition to this:

The highest rated sticker for score +or- should result in the Halo grunt exploding sound followed by a countdown of 5 minutes from being able to view the website.
 
My main question is, if getting a negative reaction score is having a chilling effect on posting unpopular opinions, wouldn't stickers still have that same chilling effect? I'd imagine people would still be discouraged from making unpopular posts if they thought that people would give their post a lot of autism puzzle piece stickers or whatever, even without the context of their arbitrary reaction score number going down.

Not objecting to reaction scores being removed. I'm just skeptical that doing it will have the effect Null is looking for.
 
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I want people to be able to see what people think about their posts and come to reasonable conclusions about if that should inform how they post. If you expect your post will be welcomed and it is not, you know you're off the mark. If you expect negativity because you're going against the grain, you probably won't care people aren't praising you. This is the kind of feedback I want to see and how I would like posters to interpret that information.

What I do not want is high intensity emotional or reactive engagement.

I also do not want people to think anyone is keeping score, or that violating consensus is going to punish them, affect how they can use the site, or cause other people to adjust their initial perspectives on your content.

The issue I'm seeing is that people do take the system too seriously. The other issue is people are relying on it too much. It is not a good thing that so many people rely on the reaction system to even know where they're posting or what page in the thread they're at. These should be other systems.

So it's a mixture of things and I really believe that encouraging people to adjust behaviors now is a good idea. I don't want to be restrained in my flexibility of addressing problems because there is this unintentional use case built up around it.
 
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Null said:
I also do not want people to think anyone is keeping score, or that violating consensus is going to punish them, affect how they can use the site, or cause other people to adjust their initial perspectives on your content.

The issue I'm seeing is that people do take the system too seriously. The other issue is people are relying on it too much. It is not a good thing that so many people rely on the reaction system to even know where they're posting or what page in the thread they're at. These should be other systems.
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What Josh said here is 100% the case. This forum is not and should not be reddit or a reddit substitute and the forum and any reasonable website should stay as far away from such a model as humanly possible as such a karma system obviously rewards circlejerking by the way it's structured. This forum should not have systems that encourage such lowly behavior. Now we were far away from such a model to begin with, the step of removing reaction score is more steps in the right direction overall. I do understand there will be downsides to this, but I believe it will a net positive for the forum.
 
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Null said:
The issue I'm seeing is that people do take the system too seriously. The other issue is people are relying on it too much. It is not a good thing that so many people rely on the reaction system to even know where they're posting or what page in the thread they're at. These should be other systems.
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Can you come up with a system that allows us to keep track of short term activity in threads we've recently posted in, occasional reminders at random intervals of old threads we've may have posted in months or years ago when it gets activity again, a rough gauge on how users may have viewed our post and have it all available in one handy place on the same page i'm reading now?

Because that's the functionality myself and many others used that for and all of the other existing alternatives don't provide all that in one place without having to load a new page.
 
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Can reaction notifications be reenabled but off by default? I know some have them off any way and the "people" that get dopamine from it are probably too retarded to even hunt for the box that enables it.
I found it to be a useful feature to remember and reengage with discussions I was having earlier in the week. I know that I could just click on the reactions received and get the same list, but it was handy to access and see from the front page.
 
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stupid frog said:
It breaks if you don't check the thread for awhile.
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Dyn said:
Since people crucially require upvote notes to navigate the site and don't actually use it for monkeybrained affirmation, I thought up a potential compromise that will make everybody happy.

- Bring back sticker notes for people who turn them on.
- Make them always appear as dumb ratings in the notifications feed
- Every time you get one the "SARGON NEEDS MORE DOPAMINE" sound clip plays really loudly.
- Every time you click one it adds the "OOOO, MORE SERATOOOONIN" part
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Null said:
I want people to be able to see what people think about their posts and come to reasonable conclusions about if that should inform how they post. If you expect your post will be welcomed and it is not, you know you're off the mark. If you expect negativity because you're going against the grain, you probably won't care people aren't praising you. This is the kind of feedback I want to see and how I would like posters to interpret that information.

What I do not want is high intensity emotional or reactive engagement.

I also do not want people to think anyone is keeping score, or that violating consensus is going to punish them, affect how they can use the site, or cause other people to adjust their initial perspectives on your content.

The issue I'm seeing is that people do take the system too seriously. The other issue is people are relying on it too much. It is not a good thing that so many people rely on the reaction system to even know where they're posting or what page in the thread they're at. These should be other systems.

So it's a mixture of things and I really believe that encouraging people to adjust behaviors now is a good idea. I don't want to be restrained in my flexibility of addressing problems because there is this unintentional use case built up around it.
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:dislike: I'd still like to quickly see which post (or have an idea of which one it was). Use cases can be unexpected, like the whole :lunacy:☪️ sticker use.
 
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