Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Just don't let them run your schools, like we did in the USA, and they will indeed go away on their own.
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The US Embassy in Moscow issued a security alert on March 7 advising US citizens in the Russian capital to avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours.
UK also posted the same thing on their website.
Sounds like the US is butthurt about having their NGOs shut down, wouldn't put it past Nuland to do one last "иди нахуи" to Russia as a parting gift. Be careful tomorrow, Russia bros.
*Fuck you in English, bitch speaks Russian well
 
The position, ships and strategy of nearly every navy in the world needs to be re-thought in the wake of whats going in Ukraine. More than just a Russian problem is going on. There are going to be questions for every country going forward about maintaining surface fleets and if they can be effectively protected.
BSF has a serious organizational and incompetence problem. Add massive intelligence support from NATO, targeting badly defended/supported ships for maximum PR results. Seeing as also that majority of BSF is a very archaic fleet. With few modern vessels most being small size corvettes.

Do you really think this USV would have the same effectiveness on Burke class or Gorshkov. class with their fucking jamming stations ?

That's not to say that future warships aren't going to be equipped with lots of small autocannons with plenty of ammo and electro-optical/IIR sensors coupled to main or have separate radars. And even the smallest vessels will have serious jamming equipment.


Apparently someone's never heard of the PLO, IRA, Red Army Faction, Red Brigades, FMLN, 17N...

Killing kikes ain't a terrorist act. But a house cleaning of cockroaches. Red brigades were bunch of cosplayers that got blamed for the shit CIA in europe done/backed from what i remember. Point taken on FMLN

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“The tragedy of the Navalny family is not equal to the genocide of the Ukrainian people,” she added. “All Russians are responsible for this terrible war. They did not stop it.”
Please god, let Putin incinerate Kiev and then send Alpha teams to hunt down every last Holhol expat.
 
Would hohols try to allahu ACKbar concerts? I don't think any state beside the Islamic went for that. I know they want to , but are they that retarded to actually do it and see how angry the bear will be after a molten lead enema? Its one thing to strike France from the middle east, and one thing to do that to your neighbour with a lot of fucking big guns to cyka blyat your remains stratosphere high. If they go full dune coone, not even the most ardent skinheads will be able to defend it in Europe.
 
Would hohols try to allahu ACKbar concerts? I don't think any state beside the Islamic went for that. I know they want to , but are they that retarded to actually do it and see how angry the bear will be after a molten lead enema?
Last week they sent 5 small boats to shoot at a camp with nothing but RPGs just because Zelinsky needed to brag about something to the press, most of the men died, the survivors where captured, only a boat turned back in time, nobody on the Russian side died.
After that i believe them desperate enough to do anything.
 
Would hohols try to allahu ACKbar concerts?
Unlikely. The problem with trying to get any non-muslim group to aloha snackbar civilian sites is that they generally lack both the ability to self justify straight up suicide for a cause, and struggle to justify deliberately targeting civilian groups. Slavs tend to be more accepting of casualties, civilian or otherwise, in pursuit of military targets, but there still needs to be a reasonable justification to their moral compass.

After that i believe them desperate enough to do anything.
Its a lot easier to moralize going out and firing rockets at a military base, even if it goes wrong. Its not about whether it'll get you killed or not so much as whether its just the 'normal' risk of death in any combat area, vs deliberately expanding your body's territorial claims.

If they had the coordination and insertion of persons to try and do something stupid like hit an all civilian event, it'd be far more likely you'd see those men used in less risky attacks on government or military officials who think they're safe. Trying to scare the leadership into submission when some official of some committee gets painted on the street for going out for a snack one night. Only way I see it hitting civilian targets too is crossfire, slavs ain't gonna hold fire cuz granny walked between you and the target vehicle.
 
a reasonable justification to their moral compass.
"We hurt Russia" is their only moral compass; or did you miss posts with the screenshot of hohols literally celebrating the January downing of an Ilyushin in Belgorod full of Ukrainian POWs for an exchange? "The Ukrainians don't matter, what matters is three Russians died and their plane was destroyed, ha ha, slava ucraina!"
 
I know I'm biased since I absolutely loath the US for personal reasons, but if WW3 breaks out with the current status quo, the US is fucked.


1: Anyone who'd be happy about dying for Uncle Schlomo has either already died or is unfit to do so.

2: It's safe to assume I'm not the only non-pog nigger in the US with an axe to grind.

3: The prince has none of his own solders, and cannot afford mercenaries. Everyone who considered it "an honor to serve" ditched the military over the coof sperging. Everyone remaining is a soldier of circumstance. The mercenaries run the army as officers. There's only a tiny fraction of officers that wouldn't literally wipe their asses on US flag if it meant a safe and well-paid consultant position in whatever nation had that in supply.

4: US doctrine is a doctrine of losers. Stop trying to spin this shit. The US simply doesn't have a great military track record.

5: The US is woefully outnumbered. It may sound like the US has a massive military with around 1.3 million "men" but in reality, only about 5% of those are actually combat forces with the vast majority of the rest of them only being "support soldiers" that only really "support" themselves like some kind of malignant tumor.

6: The US military and economy isn't geared for total war. In WW2, some gliders which played a critical role in the western front were built by coffin manufactures, and all industry was dedicated to the war effort.

Literally from the DOD's website

Besides turning industries around to wartime production, U.S. industries also supplied much of the military equipment needed by the Allies, including the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union.



To illustrate the magnitude of the transition to wartime production, there were about 3 million automobiles manufactured in the U.S. in 1941. During the entire war, only 139 additional cars rolled off the assembly lines.



Instead, automakers built guns, trucks, tanks and aircraft engines.
















Shipyards turned out entire fleets of aircraft carriers, battleships, destroyers, submarines and other vessels.



Some other examples are:



  • The Lionel toy train company started producing items for warships, including compasses.
  • Ford Motor Company produced B-24 Liberator bombers.
  • Alcoa, the aluminum company, produced airplanes.
  • The Mattatuck Manufacturing Company, which had made upholstery nails, switched to making cartridge clips for Springfield rifles.





Now in the US there is next to zero manufacturing, and even just minor damage to a single fighter aircraft needs millions of dollars to fix and a full team of engineers. Said engineers are most likely not US citizens but were educated in US colleges paid for by US tax payers.

7: Who the fuck is the US going to draft? The somewhat fit for service people are blue collar white male workers. There's not that many of us, and we already mostly make our money servicing shit for the completely useless white collar class in the US.

8: What is there to fight for in the US? The US has declared itself an enemy of all that is holy by banning any governmental displays of Christianity, and then allowing for outright satanic shrines to be built in tax payer funded offices. There is no freedom in the US. The limits of the completely worthless constitution are decided upon by peoples with nothing but contempt for the western common man. There is no wealth in the US that a common man can obtain. Everything is controlled by a small clique of wealthy elites and they can block you from becoming their equal.

The only people who actually have a real reason to fight are delusional boomers, niggers and illegal immigrants getting welfare, and the effete elite class.

A more ready and willing group of soldiers was never seen!

9: US tech just isn’t that good. US military technology just doesn’t have enough edge over other contemporary tech to make up for its downfalls. Even in an ideal world where the US suffers no real large scale economic pressure from war, it’s simply not possible to replace US loses on a large scale. Particularly when the much more expensive US loses don’t produce substantial losses against their enemy.

10: US military leadership is a complete joke and easily exploitable by an army willing to be Machiavellian. Let’s be honest, in the US military system, combat arms enlisted are field niggers, pog enlisted are house niggers, NCOs are nigger overseers, and officers are basically the rich owners’ retarded sons that need some kind of field experience for higher ambitions.

Nothing about this system actually works well real world even with 100% volunteer soldiers in a garrison environment.

All a commander would have to do to take advantage of this would be to back a US force into a corner and then offer a path of escape for the common soldier and condemnation for the US commanders and said force would eat itself from within.
 
I have tended to maintain they should delete the surface fleet, it sucks down huge amounts of engineering resources (and money) and is not particularly effective.
Ehhh not all of it but anything bigger than a destroyer (8,000+ tons) that isn't an Amphibious assault ship or carrier of jets or helicopters needs to go.

Sorry Nuclear powered heavy cruiser 🥺

The newer Russian patrol ships, missile corvettes, frigates and the like are fine. An air warfare destroyer with a solid cruise missile and anti ship missile complement is as big as a Russian surface warship needs to be.
And do what then ? Russia might as well have no navy at all. Because sub don't do what surface vessels do.
Yep, subs can't run arms to friendly nations or launch 6+ missile salvos of cruise missiles fast or scan for small Pirate skiffs via radar and launch helicopters, etc.

Subs are great for killing ships, other subs, and launching ~4 cruise missiles at once. Oh and laying sea mines.
That's not to say that future warships aren't going to be equipped with lots of small autocannons with plenty of ammo and electro-optical/IIR sensors coupled to main or have separate radars. And even the smallest vessels will have serious jamming equipment.
That and smaller guided missiles.
Would hohols try to allahu ACKbar concerts? I don't think any state beside the Islamic went for that. I know they want to , but are they that retarded to actually do it and see how angry the bear will be after a molten lead enema? Its one thing to strike France from the middle east, and one thing to do that to your neighbour with a lot of fucking big guns to cyka blyat your remains stratosphere high. If they go full dune coone, not even the most ardent skinheads will be able to defend it in Europe.
The Tamil Tigers pioneered the suicide bomber belt/vest. Before that you held onto a grenade and ran at your target or similar.

They were Hindus, who mostly killed Buddhists.

Another strangely would be an unwitting suicide bomber, like the poor SOB who drove the truck across the Kerch Bridge while carrying a shitload of TNT in the back.
 
Yep, subs can't run arms to friendly nations or launch 6+ missile salvos of cruise missiles fast or scan for small Pirate skiffs via radar and launch helicopters, etc.
You're probably(? Maybe?) right about the helicopters, but the Germans and Japanese managed quite a bit of trade via U-boat during WW2.
The cruise missiles is just a case of engineering, and slapping a marine radar on to an off-the-shelf agricultural drone is something I could do in my fucking garage.

Don't confuse "we don't do this" with "this can't be done". We're seeing tanks getting taken out by drones, and that wasn't military doctrine 5 years ago.

Edit: thinking out of the box, you know what can't be easily taken out by drone boats?

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So the ukies are currently very scared of a total breakthrough by summer. Hopefully it doesn't take that long I doubt it will seeing as Zelninsky is currently running out of troops to Conscript. but even if it does it will be a massive turning point which is something that will be great for Russian moral.
 
subs can't run arms to friendly nations or launch 6+ missile salvos of cruise missiles fast or scan for small Pirate skiffs via radar and launch helicopters, etc.
the Germans and Japanese managed quite a bit of trade via U-boat during WW2.
As vesperus so aptly pointed out, submarines are often actually better for covert arms dealing than surface ships.

Additionally, the russians literally build missile submarines of a type that doesn't exist in any other country, a dedicated anti ship missile submarine, starting with the oscar class (yasen is a significant engineering improvement of the same concept).
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This type of missile submarine is arguably superior to pretty much all of their surface combatants as far as missile salvos go (pretty big salvo, and much more able to achieve surprise), and is far more survivable and maneuverable in high threat environments.

I agree with you on anti piracy, but IMO that is patrol boat up to corvette territory only, even 3000 tons would be rather heavy. I think at best you could argue light air defense is valuable, but that requires the ability to maintain sea superiority which is both I think impossible in the modern environment anyways, and also extremely difficult to do with an already overstretched naval engineering capacity.
 
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10: US military leadership is a complete joke and easily exploitable by an army willing to be Machiavellian. Let’s be honest, in the US military system, combat arms enlisted are field niggers, pog enlisted are house niggers, NCOs are nigger overseers, and officers are basically the rich owners’ retarded sons that need some kind of field experience for higher ambitions.

Nothing about this system actually works well real world even with 100% volunteer soldiers in a garrison environment.

All a commander would have to do to take advantage of this would be to back a US force into a corner and then offer a path of escape for the common soldier and condemnation for the US commanders and said force would eat itself from within.

It took about 5 or 6 replacements before finally a competent General of the main Potomac union army was found in the US Civil War.

Though it seems like today's generals like Milley make Fremont and McClellan look like Napoleon.

Also Putin had the last laugh over Biden and his retarded simping niggers in the rootless cosmopolitan zones of Europe.

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That Biden started his speech with support for that low IQ drunken corrupt shithole, that can make some African countries look better, filled with stubborn donkeys. Kind of has given away that this administration is filled with people looking for some kind of global one world new order government fantasy.
 
is it hypothetically possible that the reason Russia's Navy appears neglected and mismanaged because it focuses on submarines with ships being an afterthought, possibly with a classified number of Russian submarines that were manufactured in secret?
Russia's never been a naval power, and in the USSR days it didn't need to be. This is a land war and while yes, the latest attack on a Russian ship was due to an absolute failure of the Russian Navy, its impact on the SMO is negligible. If WW3 breaks out then its a different story and they'd really need to get their shit together.
the US is fucked
You saw the shit fest that was the SOTU too? lol

Also I like how only Abe Lincoln replied to you. :story:

No matter, we know who's got our back.
 
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Russia's never been a naval power, and in the USSR days it didn't need to be.

Yeah, that is the problem when people gloat about some Russian ship sunk, setting aside the one time those RWA folks decided to make fools of themselves by insisting Nippon didn't sodomize them harder than Vlad the Impaler did to his Ottoman enemies.

Its like laughing at the defense for the New England Patriots fucking up time to time. Well that doesn't matter when the referees were in Tom Brady's back pocket when the Patriots went on offense or special teams.
 
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