The American Child Torture Industry: Cons and Cults Disguised as Schools - Because Discord and Roblox aren't bad enough.

[doodoocaca]

I doubt this explanation. They collect 10% of every member’s wage, so the church isn’t hurting. If Utah wants to bring industry in to improve our economy, we do what every other state does and court the military industrial complex.

Utah does that too, of course - but can we discount just how much money is coming in?

It might well be more about the Kays and Lichfields having people in their pocket than the other way around! I don't know. Trying to bust this particular nut without a billion dollars and an army of bulldog lawyers is comically unrealistic, at least unless the state of Utah itself and the Federal government finally get serious and don't cock it up by stepping on the other's toes or goldfish voters getting distracted by the next current thing.

We can't just ignore how much the LSD church in Utah and the state of Utah are in bed. We cannot ignore how much these wealthy people have influence and power through their money. We cannot ignore how much money this brings into Utah, either We cannot ignore how much public outcry and scrutiny has been made of this over nearly 30 years now.

Where it stops might well be a waste of time to care about. I really don't think it matters much if it's Robert Lichfield paying off the church or the church demanding their palms be greased - someone's been protecting them, whether it's Bob paying off judges and perhaps even bishops himself, or them demanding a cut, really doesn't matter, does it?

godspeed to everyone trying to hunt these fuckers down. if there’s anyway i can help to exposing or taking action, im more than happy to help

TOTAL PEDO DEATH

Literally just talk about it. Ask people to watch the Doc on Netflix. Look at the 2008 GAO report, youtube or text. Look this shit up yourself.

 

[Android raptor]

I would not be surprised one bit if palms are being greased in any direction. There's gotta be some bribery going on if even a federal investigation ultimately results in no change or consequences for the people running these things.

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

I think it's time to eradicate the LDS. The saddest part of me saying this is that there's good people who are part of the LDS, but the entire thing has been rife with pedophilia and child abuse from the start.

 

[doodoocaca]

I doubt this explanation. They collect 10% of every member’s wage, so the church isn’t hurting. If Utah wants to bring industry in to improve our economy, we do what every other state does and court the military industrial complex.

I want this to be its own post so people focus. Open Secrets' Top For-Profit Prisons Contributions List.

 

[Punchoboe]

I've gotten kids out of WWASPS programs when I found parents who would listen. The first kid I got out of a program was pulled out of one of Narvin's programs.

You are too driven by an obvious, probably justified, desire for revenge against the Lichfields. If I had skin in that game, I would be just as mad. Yet you must see that there is more than one way of seeing these events.

These kids are not innocent even if they are victims of the Lichfields. They are the spoiled children of millionaires who didn't respect the privilege that was given to them. Putting the kid in one of those crazy schools was a desperate move for parents who see no other option. These youths have already had more options and resources than most of us could ever dream of, yet wasted them.
Regardless of what happens here, these kids need stern discipline and strict discipline, and even then, they may not live decent, constructive lives. The problem with the schools is that they are scams and don't provide a proper authoritarian environment that will give a few of these misfits a chance of success.

You can see what happened to one of the alumni:

Look at that cap. She might as well be wearing a sign that says "I AM A BROKEN LUNATIC, STAY AWAY." Are we supposed to blame the Lichfields for this?

The one girl is mad -- and still mad -- that her parents retaliated when she knew she was at a zero-tolerance school and chose to drink alcohol. She pushed, and they pushed back. Their bad choice should be seen in the context that they had a rebellious child who intended to test their limits. This would not have happened if she stayed at the other school and kept her nose clean. While she did not deserve what happened, she was already on the road to disaster.

Presumably, if her parents had gotten her a sex change operation, an abortion or something else politically acceptable instead, this would not be abuse, and we would not be having this conversation.

 

[Android raptor]

I think it's time to eradicate the LDS. The saddest part of me saying this is that there's good people who are part of the LDS, but the entire thing has been rife with pedophilia and child abuse from the start.

I think a better, more plausible solution is for the LDS to have some major housekeeping done especially amongst their leadership. The biggest chance of that happening is from within the Mormon community itself.

The one girl is mad -- and still mad -- that her parents retaliated when she knew she was at a zero-tolerance school and chose to drink alcohol. She pushed and they pushed back. Their bad choice should be seen in the context that they had a rebellious child who intended to test their limits. Had she stayed at the other school and kept her nose clean, this would not have happened. While she did not deserve what happened, she was already on the road to disaster.

Teens being rebellious in normal teen ways doesn't even remotely justify abusing them in torture camps. What the fuck

 

[doodoocaca]

Really Dumb Shit

You are demonstrably wrong, and a gigantic faggot right now.

1) No, they're not all rich. Many programs take lots of state and federal money - as was covered in the documentary - and originate education loans they then sell off to Sallie Mae.

2) "I had to have my child tortured and raped, there was no option" - This is bullshit from beginning to end. Kids with no problems were in programs AND THE DOCUMENTARY. Straight A Students who had never touched drugs were in there. Did you not miss Alexa and the crackwhore lie? That I mentioned for you!? If you want another old statistic, a slim majority of the kids were adopted.

3) Your bullshit about discipline is a troll or boomer-logic cope. Brainwashing and torture is not discipline, you gigantic faggot.

4) Why are you triggered over someone who was shoved into the counter-culture by being tortured for profit wearing a stupid fucking hat?

5) She wasn't even that rebellious, and had you watched the documentary, you fucking idiot faggot, you'd see the stepwife was being a bitch and pushing for it the entire time, and her abuse is why she drank.

6) Her mother died when she was 2. The reason she grew up with cameras is she had the camera her late mother got to record her so Katherine could remember her. That's also why she made the documentary.

I don't know, or care, why you're running damage control for your ideology or worldview, but I don't fucking care. I hate anyone who hurts children or justifies it or excuses it. I hope you have a good life, at least better than them. I hope you never end up on a blue chair.

 

[Android raptor]

Ofc someone would come in trying to defend child torture camps just because one of the survivors is a progressive woman.

The absolute state of the Autism Thunderdome

 

[I Love Beef]

NGL, this shit has existed as the children's "tough love" boot camp industry that started back in the 1980s - mid 1990s. They helped to break the girl who would become the leader of the fucking insane otherkin Final Fantasy House, among other atrocities like not helping to settle kids in and instead neglecting or beating them to death.

Shit never changes.

 

[doodoocaca]

Ofc someone would come in trying to defend child torture camps just because one of the survivors is a progressive woman.

The absolute state of the Autism Thunderdome

You know what? That's why I'm a misanthrope at my weakest and darkest. Not the programs' existence, not being hurt, not seeing others hurt, though that comes close. What makes me a misanthrope is that so many people just cope and dodge and deflect and even attack someone else trying to fix it because they can't accept that this is real, or worse, they cling to inchoate notions of "tough good!" because of their own shaky sense of self and identity. That, and just pure laziness or apathy.

If people fucking gave a shit this wouldn't be nearly as bad. Yeah, I'm bitter, and this is why. Because faggots with no heart, no soul, and no balls can't fucking be vulnerable enough to let themselves feel someone else's pain for a moment and get off their stupid asses and fucking do something to make the world suck less.

NGL, this shit has existed as the children's "tough love" boot camp industry that started back in the 1980s - mid 1990s. They helped to break the girl who would become the leader of the fucking insane otherkin Final Fantasy House, among other atrocities like not helping to settle kids in and instead neglecting or beating them to death.

Shit never changes.

The documentary goes into this, albeit somewhat at a surface level, especially in light of how deep this goes. The oldest program-like-things were Synanon in the 50s, and the start of it spreading and really focusing on muhdrugs and muhteens was The Seed form the 1970s.

Would you mind telling me more about this otherkin person? Also, the name of the program?

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

NGL, this shit has existed as the children's "tough love" boot camp industry that started back in the 1980s - mid 1990s. They helped to break the girl who would become the leader of the fucking insane otherkin Final Fantasy House, among other atrocities like not helping to settle kids in and instead neglecting or beating them to death.

Shit never changes.

Can't say I'm surprised a Sephiroth soulbonder went to a teen torture camp.

 

[Android raptor]

Would you mind telling me more about this otherkin person? Also, the name of the program?

I don't know the name of the specific program she was in, but searching FF7 House Jen here or elsewhere on the internet should bring up some info about her. Unfortunately a lot has been lost to time and she tends to DFE when her latest ID is exposed.

Afaik the OG site on the FF7 House is still running. It's not surprising someone that fucked in the head is a product of a child torture camp.

 

[doodoocaca]

So, obvious as this is to me, it's likely not to everyone else. Let me try to explain it without another firehose.

Programs destroy you. They destroy your sense of self, your identity, where you end and the world begins. You lose yourself. You're just an observer that watches a body suffer that can't make decisions, only mistakes. That last little bit of you sits in your head, living through daydreams if you have time to do so, or you can operate on autopilot. You do as told, and copy and follow along.

For such a person to cling to archetypes and melodrama from JRPGs, to cling to characters so they some kind of a person to be, since they lost their selves to what happened and rarely get help putting themselves back together, is very, very common. So is the unbelievably sad tendency to imagine themselves as in that video game world, or that their favorite character might save them from their own past or from anything like it in the future.

When people who are broken - albeit not this much - or just don't build themselves up go otherkin furry queer faggot tranny disability BLT BBQ LMNOP HP MP QRSTUV, they're doing the same thing, just on a more annoying and less pathetic and horrific scale.

 

[I Love Beef]

Would you mind telling me more about this otherkin person? Also, the name of the program?

Can't say I'm surprised a Sephiroth soulbonder went to a teen torture camp.

This was before FFVII came to the USA, like back in 1995 or 1996. All the stuff you hear from Demon Sushi happened later in the early 2000s.

"Nate," a former friend of Joanna's, says that she spent time at Cross Creek Residential Treatment Center in La Verkin, Utah, a defunct reform school that has faced multiplelawsuits for its alleged brutal, widespread physical and psychological abuse of teenagers in the program. Supporting this is a LiveJournal post from 2004 by "Patricia," one of Joanna's roommates in a later incarnation of the FFVII house and a fellow participant in the Cross Creek program.

I cite Vice as a source but that's not where I got it from. It helps though (I refuse to be shown ads however).

So Jennifer Cornett was likely either a normal girl who had shitty parents or suffered from a mental illness but wasn't properly treated for it. Regardless, Cross Creek helped to churn her into a fucking monster, and combined with her want to not live in the world due to her upbringing, instead formed the Final Fantasy House with a friend and gave back all she picked up from Cross Creek. I really don't give a fuck if you're a fan of Final Fantasy or not, but them being broken by Cross Creek is the real case here. I'm sure that if they were into Caroline In The City, Suddenly Susan, or Law and Order they'd do the same shit.

Kind of off the subject but related to the topic, here is some major information on these sort of things that is profoundly eyeopening: https://orangepapers.eth.limo/orange-gulags.html

 

[Kari Kamiya]

They helped to break the girl who would become the leader of the fucking insane otherkin Final Fantasy House

Lmao that would explain a lot of things. Didn't she also grow up in a strictly religious household, too?

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

I have some family members that are Mormon and they gave me the following podcasts to debunk the claims of sexual abuse and this mysterious “hotline” - I haven’t finished them yet but I’d like to get @Android raptor and @doodoocaca ’s opinions on them:

https://leadingsaints.org/debunking-4-sexual-abuse-claims-related-to-the-church-an-interview-with-jennifer-roach/

https://leadingsaints.org/update-reporting-abuse-church-helpline-the-bishop-an-interview-with-jennifer-roach/

 

[doodoocaca]

So Jennifer Cornett was likely either a normal girl who had shitty parents or suffered from a mental illness but wasn't properly treated for it. Regardless, Cross Creek helped to churn her into a fucking monster, and combined with her want to not live in the world due to her upbringing, instead formed the Final Fantasy House with a friend and gave back all she picked up from Cross Creek. I really don't give a fuck if you're a fan of Final Fantasy or not, but them being broken by Cross Creek is the real case here. I'm sure that if they were into Caroline In The City, Suddenly Susan, or Law and Order they'd do the same shit.

Cross Creek is the O.G. WWASPS program, if I remember correctly. That explains absolutely a lot, and indeed, may well have created the problems she carried with her in life. Leaving aside the complete destruction of someone's psyche, surviving the program involves backstabbing, paranoia, and manipulation to a degree that can only barely be told and is best shown. As she so well demonstrated.

Mother fuckety fuck. The more I learn, the worse I see, after all these fucking years.

 

[Punchoboe]

Brainwashing and torture is not discipline.

I never said anything like that. No one defends the school or the abuse. I agree with your antagonism toward the Lichields. I just don't trust Netflix, whose interests have nothing to do with protecting children.

...someone who was shoved into the counter-culture by being tortured for profit wearing a stupid fucking hat?

Counterculture? Every mainstream institution in the USA, Canada, and Australia claims that white people live on land stolen from indigenous peoples.

I don't know, or care, why you're running damage control for your ideology or worldview, but I don't fucking care.

Since you mention damage control, did you notice this woman in the documentary?

She shows up in nearly every cult documentary. Scientology? She's there. Polygamists? She's there. NXIVM? She's there. She's an unreliable narrator, always present to give the party line on each group.

Like I said, the Lichields are indeed villains, but Netflix is not acting in the public good. If teachers had groomed these kids into LGBT, the damage would have been more profound, but Reed Hastings would not care and would defend the system.

 

[Spiny Rumples]

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Wikipedo is so fucking wrong. Gooning isn’t edging, gooning is just compulsive masturbation.

This seems like an effective way to get the message out without mentioning KF. Just claim to be checking out the new meme phrase and then share my surprise.

 

[doodoocaca]

DAILY INFO DUMP:

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At AIR they didn't allow us medical or dental care. We took our medicine with
applesauce and had to do a tongue check.
Girls had issues with their menstrual cycles, either none at all or having one
continuously. They supplied pads that would fall apart and leak. If we ran out too
soon we would be accused of doing it on purpose.
I'm pretty sure all of us had athletes foot that was left untreated and getting a
chance to see a real doctor or nurse was next to impossible.
As you saw in the documentary, staff would sit on children to force meds down their throats.
I was at AIR [Academy at Ivy Ridge] and CSA [Carolina Springs Academy]. My knee was shattered at CSA during a seminar which they
hid it from my parents and made me attempt to walk on it. I was given a single
Tylenol. Thankfully I was able to get one letter out and they were forced to take me
to the doctor which in SC did actually report the severity and told my family to
bring me home.

Shattered knee made to be walked on, forced drugging, and menstrual abuse. FUCKING CHRIST IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE SOMEHOW AFTER ALL THESE FUCKING YEARS. HOW!? GOD DAMMIT.

I also have an update regarding dear John Free:

A few interviews have come to light as well. We have a staffer who talks about both being trained to restrain whenever given the chance to torture the kids:

And, that he found it to be worse than prison having worked in one after his time at AIR: