Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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Fair points. Seems like Challengers coasted on their invincible reputation by virtue of simply not seeing any real combat haha.
In defence of the chally, it's supposed to be two miles away pwning noobs while moving at 40mph, not crawling up a heavily mined farm track straight towards Russia because you gave the keys to a retarded hohol. Taking yourself out for a photo op should not be a thing.

You could give Ukraine lightsabers and X-wings, they'd still fuck it up.

I look forward to them getting F16s and A10s, it's going to be glorious.
 
If zelensky refuses to negotiate, how long will be stay in power?
He will not be taken out, not by the russians, not by cia and not by his own people.
He might be removed and sent to his floridan luxury mansion to snort coke for the rest of his life but he will not be taken out.

Why? If he is taken out this will absolutely be blamed on the russians. So, the new guy they replace him with will then go and negotiate peace with russia?
That sounds like so poor understanding of cause and effect that not even cia would do something that stupid.
Unless they take him out to make sure that any peace agreements or cease fire will never be considered.
 
The thing is: Come May 15 (I believe), Zelensky’s presidential term expires, and there’s no way to extend it without elections.

Z will essentially become a constitutionally illegal dictator if he stays in office. (Which absolutely nobody believes he will quit.)

That fact could be combined with some kind of move towards a settlement. Maybe the army will move in to depose him (in coordination with NATO advisers) and start negotiations. Maybe we will see another Maydan.

Another issue entirely is that Z is totally dependent on foreign aid. If funding gets cut, nobody, including the army and the government is getting paid. So he can refuse to negotiate, but only up to a point.
He canceled the election. Fighting for democracy.
( https://archive.ph/aRrJf )
 
Abrams is IMO actually fairly good, but also they gave them kindof shitty old and export-ized versions. The abrams protection has improved by as much as 10x in some regards over the years since it was first introduced, so 'an abrams is not an abrams is not an abrams' applies here
Look, if it didn't matter that T-72s during Medina Ridge were "downgraded export versions crewed by retards", then it doesn't matter if the Ukrainian Abrams is a downgraded export version crewed by retards.
 
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British fighter in Ukraine inspired by Liz Truss killed himself after coming home, inquest hears
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A young British man who took his own life after fighting in Ukraine went to the country after Liz Truss, the former prime minister, claimed anyone who did so would be joining a “battle for democracy”, his family said.

Harry Gregg was 23 and had no formal military training other than a spell in the Army Cadets when he decided to fly to the country after it was invaded by Russia in 2022.

He ended up fighting in the trenches, where he witnessed the deaths of fellow soldiers and reported seeing the aftermath of Russian atrocities against civilians.

He was found hanged after returning to his home in Thetford, Norfolk, the day after his 25th birthday.
 
They did before, during the Battle of Mariupol the Ukrainians used at least a T-64A and a T-54 from monuments in the city. The situation must be pretty dire for them to repeat this.
I'm not sure I understand. Are these monuments just old tanks that have been parked and left to rust? Wouldn't it be difficult getting them up and running if they weren't properly maintained and stored?
 
They did before, during the Battle of Mariupol the Ukrainians used at least a T-64A and a T-54 from monuments in the city. The situation must be pretty dire for them to repeat this.
Eastern hohols (Russian ethnics) did it first 10 years ago, with a IS-3, and did it better.



Unfortunately the Ukrops captured it and put it back, where it slumbers, waiting to go into battle against Nazis in defense of the motherland again.
 
ain't it the same sort of shit as Storm Shadow/SCALP which hohols already have?
From what I've read they're definitely better than those. But in no way a real game changer. I think they are basically Storm Shadow in smart.

They have a reach of 500km and could hit Russia deep in their own territory.

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British fighter in Ukraine inspired by Liz Truss killed himself after coming home, inquest hears
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A young British man who took his own life after fighting in Ukraine went to the country after Liz Truss, the former prime minister, claimed anyone who did so would be joining a “battle for democracy”, his family said.

Harry Gregg was 23 and had no formal military training other than a spell in the Army Cadets when he decided to fly to the country after it was invaded by Russia in 2022.

He ended up fighting in the trenches, where he witnessed the deaths of fellow soldiers and reported seeing the aftermath of Russian atrocities against civilians.

He was found hanged after returning to his home in Thetford, Norfolk, the day after his 25th birthday.
Even the Russian atrocities he witnessed couldn't prepare him for the sad reality that is Great Britain.
 
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British fighter in Ukraine inspired by Liz Truss killed himself after coming home, inquest hears
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A young British man who took his own life after fighting in Ukraine went to the country after Liz Truss, the former prime minister, claimed anyone who did so would be joining a “battle for democracy”, his family said.

Harry Gregg was 23 and had no formal military training other than a spell in the Army Cadets when he decided to fly to the country after it was invaded by Russia in 2022.

He ended up fighting in the trenches, where he witnessed the deaths of fellow soldiers and reported seeing the aftermath of Russian atrocities against civilians.

He was found hanged after returning to his home in Thetford, Norfolk, the day after his 25th birthday.
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At least he will no longer suffer the living hell that is Britain.
 
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