The NFL Thread

[Here Comes Mongo]

Whatever the dumbest option is, expect the Bears to do it

I hate that you're most likely right.

However, I do feel that most GMs saw Fields and realized "hey, he's just not that good." He has no capability to make anything more than one read before trying to run (granted, the Bears OL until last year was pretty fucking pathetic), he is very fumble-prone, and his record speaks for itself. Who would want to give up more than a can of Stick-Um for a guy with his track record? I feel Poles was trying to massage something more out of potential suitors, but the market dictated that Fields isn't very well-regarded and the Steelers immediately said that Justin will not be competing for the starting spot, he's strictly a backup.

 

[Local Fed]

In defense of the Steelers-Field trade, and Fields, I don't think this was that bad from Pittsburgh's perspective.

While you'd obviously like to have your picks, the earlier the better, at most they gave up a 4th rounder for him (the stipulation on that pick is if Fields takes at least 51% of the snaps or more for the Steelers, which is definitely possible.) They probably wouldn't have done much with the pick anyway, to be honest.

Wilson's on a one-year deal; if he sucks he's on the bench for cheap and at least you can take a shot in seeing if Fields just needed a change of scenery to see if he can be a viable NFL quarterback (not saying great, just something you can work with even if that means an upper-tier back up.) Barring injury I think Wilson gets to play at least enough of the year to make it just a 6th rounder going back to Chicago.

I think that ultimately it'll be one of those trades no one cares about in three years as whatever pick goes to Chicago probably won't amount to much, and Fields can be justified by the Steelers as one of many QBs throughout the league that was "worth taking a chance just to see if any of that potential might be there."

 

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However, I do feel that most GMs saw Fields and realized "hey, he's just not that good."

He has elite traits but honestly nobody ever taught him how to play QB or something.

This is likely the best situation for him. He gets to sit behind Russ in a low-pressure situation and maybe he figures it out at some point.

 

[ACE CERTIFICATION PROGRAM]

I mean, 1 Superbowl in 17 years, with an argument to be made that he won it with the previous coaches team considering it was 2008 (remember, Tomlin only took the reigns in 07), and beyond that the Steelers have been a team that's always just been middle of the pack. The Steelers under Tomlin have just been spinning their wheels for years now.

Tomlin = Doc Rivers, both are coasting off a title won in 2008.

 

[Here Comes Mongo]

He has elite traits but honestly nobody ever taught him how to play QB or something.

This is likely the best situation for him. He gets to sit behind Russ in a low-pressure situation and maybe he figures it out at some point.

Oh yeah, he's athletic as fuck and when his running game was on, he was damn electric to watch. But when it came time to pass the ball, if his first read was covered, he had no chance.

He's basically what everyone was saying that Lamar Jackson would become.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

This is likely the best situation for him. He gets to sit behind Russ in a low-pressure situation and maybe he figures it out at some point.

It's not like he can learn anything except more bad habits from Russ.

 

[Illidan Stormrage]

It used to be that Rookie QB’s needed a few years of riding the bench to truly absorb the intricacies of a NFL playbook and to be able to perform.

These days, I’m ready to call a guy a bust if he can’t play perform as a Rookie QB in a starting role.

Why ? Because NFL playbooks have been dumbed down to the level that low IQ nigger QBs can do their whole “1 read and if it ain’t wide open, run”.

Not to mention how soft coverages have to play by nature. Yards are the most useless stat there is.

So yeah, if you can’t even be decent and consistent with this much watered down complexity and degree of difficulty then there’s nothing to see here.

Fields is a bust. Russ with all of his cooking shit is still a midget QB who gets figured out halfway through the season because all of this “off platform” shit is just QBs running around trying to make something happen (which is entirely predictable).

 

[DSP's Tax Lawyer]

I don't believe there were many teams clamoring for someone that is 10-28

Kirk Cousins, Gardner Minshew, Sam Darnold, Tyrod Taylor, Jacoby Brissett, Jimmy G, and Mac Jones all made moves during this. There could have been a market for something like a 4th or 5th rounder if played right.

However, I do feel that most GMs saw Fields and realized "hey, he's just not that good." He has no capability to make anything more than one read before trying to run (granted, the Bears OL until last year was pretty fucking pathetic), he is very fumble-prone, and his record speaks for itself. Who would want to give up more than a can of Stick-Um for a guy with his track record? I feel Poles was trying to massage something more out of potential suitors, but the market dictated that Fields isn't very well-regarded and the Steelers immediately said that Justin will not be competing for the starting spot, he's strictly a backup.

We will probably never know but if the Bears GM was shopping him as a first round pick and stupidly believing the pundits, then he was an idiot. But he could have been shopping him around as a good back up qb. If Mac jones went for a 6th round pick this year, I think Fields could have maybe gone for a 5th round. If he's a back up, then you would want him to be a bridge until the starter gets healthy again. Fields can do that better than Mac Jones imo

 

[Absolutego]

I can’t find it again now that I’m looking for it, but I did get a laugh out of some morons accusing the Falcons of being racist for getting Cousins rather than Fields, or drafting a new (Black) QB. No points for guessing what demographic said morons are from.

They’ll give anyone a podcast these days.

There's always a contingent of Falcons fans extremely butthurt that the blackest city was robbed of Vick, it's one of the reasons Matt Ryan spent so long being criminally underrated despite being their best QB in team history.
That city didn't deserve him and I was happy when he skipped town in response to them trying to replace him with a serial rapist, even if he played like ass for the Colts.

 

[AeroGavin Rossdale]

I'm getting Fields Defense Force'd by my friend from Oregon who's a Seahawks fan. I am blind sided.

 

[Fat Gay Riker]

I'm getting Fields Defense Force'd by my friend from Oregon who's a Seahawks fan. I am blind sided.

Oregon is a shithole, much like Da Bears are. I would know, born into both.

It doesn't matter who Chicago signs or drafts at QB. The culture of the franchise will ensure their middling, and rapid, demise. Thats probably why Jay Cutler did as well as he did, the dude didn't give a flying fuck.

 

[Absolutego]

I'm getting Fields Defense Force'd by my friend from Oregon who's a Seahawks fan. I am blind sided.

which is hilarious because Sam Howell was a better get for us to replace Drew Lock than Fields would have ever been.
I mean, not by much, but at least Howell can progress through his reads.

 

[AeroGavin Rossdale]

which is hilarious because Sam Howell was a better get for us to replace Drew Lock than Fields would have ever been.

Why is this happening? I get Seattle was looking at him but why try to gaslight me, a bears fan who hates the bears, into believing he's a top half of the league starter

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

One my friends sent me this screenshot. I am now cleaning Dr. Pepper off my monitor.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

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To paraphrase Perna - the Steelers QB Competition is between Russel Wilson and a younger, less accurate Russel Wilson.

I get this feeling the Steelers Office are trying to see if a losing season is what they need to get rid of Tomlin. Cause y'know, they can't just fire anyone - look how long it took to get rid of Matt Canada...

 

[Absolutego]

To paraphrase Perna - the Steelers QB Competition is between Russel Wilson and a younger, less accurate Russel Wilson.

I get this feeling the Steelers Office are trying to see if a losing season is what they need to get rid of Tomlin. Cause y'know, they can't just fire anyone - look how long it took to get rid of Matt Canada...

Now that you mention it, this is the final year of Tomlin's current contract, and waiting until he doesn't have to pay coaches to not coach is standard with Art. Though both camps also repeatedly insisted they want to get an extension done before the season starts. That's part of why it took until this year for Canada to get fired, he was on the last year of his deal.

 

[Franz Joseph]

To paraphrase Perna - the Steelers QB Competition is between Russel Wilson and a younger, less accurate Russel Wilson.

I get this feeling the Steelers Office are trying to see if a losing season is what they need to get rid of Tomlin. Cause y'know, they can't just fire anyone - look how long it took to get rid of Matt Canada...

The Steelers should have pulled the trigger on Tomlin after the collapse they had at the end of the 2020 season IMO. They really are in a no win situation, do you stick with the guy who never had a losing season but who's last championship came 16 years ago and the ceiling for the team now seems to be going 10-7/9-8 and lose in the wild card round?

 

[DSP's Tax Lawyer]

The Steelers should have pulled the trigger on Tomlin after the collapse they had at the end of the 2020 season IMO. They really are in a no win situation, do you stick with the guy who never had a losing season but who's last championship came 16 years ago and the ceiling for the team now seems to be going 10-7/9-8 and lose in the wild card round?

You can fire Tomlin but the grass is not always greener. You get the next hire wrong, you could end up with seasons that end 5-12, 4-13 consistently and you make a 10-7 season and a loss in the wild card round seem like a super bowl appearance

 

[Iron Hamster]

Now that you mention it, this is the final year of Tomlin's current contract, and waiting until he doesn't have to pay coaches to not coach is standard with Art. Though both camps also repeatedly insisted they want to get an extension done before the season starts. That's part of why it took until this year for Canada to get fired, he was on the last year of his deal.

Rooney's in a pickle if he dumps Tomlin. What other black coach is going to produce like he has. His own policy will bite him in the ass.

 

[Trombonista]

Bijan Robinson currently has a perfect March Madness bracket.