The American Child Torture Industry: Cons and Cults Disguised as Schools - Because Discord and Roblox aren't bad enough.

[gsv2w3erfe4]

Do you think that it's easier for gruesome things to be the current thing if they're far away from home and therefore distant? Such as wars far away from home? Or is it easier when it could be used to guilt-trip the opposite political side or paint it as evil?

So the Dems could score a massive propaganda win by going after some cartoonishly evil Republican con artists... but instead they just fearmonger about "the far right"? Bizarre

Caged children covered in filth? Like ICE? LMAO

I wonder if politicians like AOC might care about this. She complained about kids in ICE camps, even if she were to just do another photo op (while crying) it would help draw attention.

Dems are in on the grift because public money kids make up a lot of the current industry; they really pivoted away from a WWASPS like model and towards autistic kids, foster kids, and those court ordered in drug or violence diversions. So, yes, we can blame programs for fucked up autists now.

If the Dems were going to act on this they'd have done so in 2008 when the GAO blew the lid off of it and it was common knowledge among everyone the investigators spoke to that the Lichfields were dumping money into the GOP - congressman miller was a democrat, after all - and probably in 2012 when Mitt fucking Romney, owner of Bain Capital, that owns Aspen Education, that owns a ton of programs, had a good shot at the presidency. There's also Straight Incorporated being owned by Mel Sembler, GOP moneyman and penis pump enjoyer, who became ambassador because he literally paid for it.

Some democrats are definitely in favor of these places, like the former MA state rep whose nephew was at the Judge Rotenberg Center, and blocked bills that tried to close it down. I don't know which dems have financial interest in the industry though.


There's also some who are against it. Like: https://web.archive.org/web/2024030...uro-schiff-hold-press-conference-paris-hilton

One of the things they wanted to do create a "youth bill of rights", but tthat portion apparently got scrapped in the later versions in order to gain bipartisan support.

The bill of rights was scrapped to gain bipartisan support, said Megan Stokes, executive director of the National Association of Therapeutic Schools and Programs, a membership association dedicated to residential treatment centers.

“For some people, they’re going to look at a youth bill of rights as taking away from parental rights,” she said. “It is a very partisan time, and it’s one where the end result is focusing on the kids and their needs and making sure that they’re okay. And I think everyone can agree with the end result, but people have different ideas of what that would look like. And that’s tough to reconcile across party lines right now.”

Stokes, who said that NATSAP, the industry group, supports the fast passage of SICAA without amendment, is confident that the bill will be enacted this time around, thanks to both its bipartisan support and status as a study bill.

“There’s no mandate that goes into effect right away,” Stokes said. “That makes it a lot easier for people to want to say, ‘yeah, I can sign on to this.’”

These 2 quotes are from a news article which talks about the bill:

https://web.archive.org/web/20231127044753/https://youthtoday.org/2023/06/proposed-reforms-of-troubled-teen-industry-fall-short-of-promises/

https://archive.fo/oggX6

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/kczuq

Note that this is the same Megan Stokes who was telling these programs how to cover their ass in that leaked NATSAP call.

Interestingly, the Beau Biden foundation spoke in favor of the earlier version of the bill which still had the provisions about youth rights: https://web.archive.org/web/20230925083805/https://www.beaubidenfoundation.org/blog/acca/

Further back, some democrats actually did try to pass a bill in 2008 after the GAO report. The "Stop Child Abuse in Residential Programs for Teens Act" was first proposed in 2008.
I think this was the first version:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/house-bill/5876/text?s=10&r=9&q=%7B%22search%22%3A%22%5C%22Stop+Child+Abuse+in+Residential+Programs+for+Teens%5C%22%22%7D#H20B75C11D70B4F67A684005480BC7E8E

I took a look at it, and it seemed pretty comprehensive at a first glance. A few examples of it's sections

Spoiler

(B) PROHIBITION ON CERTAIN DISCIPLINARY TECHNIQUES.—Disciplinary techniques or other practices that involve the withholding of essential food, water, clothing, shelter, or medical care necessary to maintain physical health, mental health, and general safety, shall be prohibited.

(E) ACCESS TO COMMUNICATIONS.—Each child at such a program shall have reasonable access to a telephone, and be informed of their right to such access to maintain frequent contact, including making and receiving scheduled and unscheduled calls, unrestricted written correspondence, and electronic communications with as much privacy as possible, and shall have access to existing and appropriate national, State, and local child abuse reporting hotline numbers.

It was reintroduced multiple times till 2017 (obviously it never passed):

https://www.congress.gov/search?q=%7B%22source%22%3A%22legislation%22%2C%22search%22%3A%22%5C%22Stop%20Child%20Abuse%20in%20Residential%20Programs%20for%20Teens%5C%22%22%7D

 

[doodoocaca]

I wonder if politicians like AOC might care about this. She complained about kids in ICE camps, even if she were to just do another photo op (while crying) it would help draw attention.

ROFL no. She's a basic politician and a basic person who wants to sell "safe outrage" (much like safe edge) to her basic fucking voters. They're exactly the kind of people who weasel out of even letting you discuss this then go CURRENTYEAR CURRENTTHING and demand you bleat or you're A Bad Person™.

 

[gsv2w3erfe4]

Archiving files seems to not work, hence why I'm uploading them to the forum itself.

Some work and some don't depending on the archiving site. Archive.org is able to save PDFs (and other files), but archive.today doesn't scroll past the first page and ghostarchive.org usually has a hard time with larger pages. Google docs seems to work in ghostarchive.org and archive.org.

I actually was able to find text versions for some pdfs.

Full testimony of Victim 2’s Mother (Also attached)

https://web.archive.org/web/20240321005510/https://wwaspsurvivors.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Mother-of-Victim-2-Testimony.pdf

Don't forget how many kids end up in programs for therapy. Want to see a real thinky-dinker? Have a kid who was sent for therapy for being sexually abused for 5 years, whose parents are wondering why she's punished so much.
View attachment 5814396

Saved that

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/zTi47

https://web.archive.org/web/20240321011405/https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XikjidxiWdVOedOrBuLyMaLG_iytZjUv/view

It turns out that is a pdf version of this text file:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010127003800/http://www.attrition.org/mirror/attrition/2001/01/01/www.wwasp.com/mail/28255.txt

https://archive.fo/JEwhz

Hate to break it to ya, but tons of kids die from preventable illnesses, beatings, neglect, restraint (suffocation or aspiration of vomit) or escape attempts - including suicides. https://www.unsilenced.org/facility-deaths/ (archive)

alternate archives:

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/X5INQ

https://web.archive.org/web/20240301132522/https://www.unsilenced.org/facility-deaths/

So https://www.unsilenced.org/program-archive/us-programs/utah/wwasp-hq/ has a ton of unsorted shit and a lot of it is pretty damning, especially from the PURE vs WWASPS trial.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OK1e2BjPE8bgWH0xOB0TkAZxkILanC7l/view (locals uploaded to this post; the second is just procedural stuff)
View attachment 5811040View attachment 5811046

Does it count as MATI if you're also mad at a literal fucking Demon? God fucking dammit already.

This is just an archive of the index page, not the MANY linked files:

https://web.archive.org/web/20240316040151/https://www.unsilenced.org/program-archive/us-programs/utah/wwasp-hq/

That google doc saved:

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/11ILL

https://web.archive.org/web/20240321011659/https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OK1e2BjPE8bgWH0xOB0TkAZxkILanC7l/view

 

[ye's Official KF Burner]

I got some more info from my friend who attended one of these programs. I asked her if it would be alright to share here in the thread and she said yes as she doesn't want to make an account here. I will probably make a few different posts about this, because she gave me quite a bit of information knowing it would be added to the growing info in the thread and hopefully be used to make more people aware of these programs. Forgive me for this being all over the place but our conversation kinda went that way. I took notes while we discussed.

• She attended 3 different programs for a consecutive 26 months, starting with thirteen weeks of wilderness at a program previously called Second Nature, now known as Evoke. The name change to Evoke was circa 2015. SNE was in Southern Utah in the public lands outside of the small town called Enterprise.
• She was transported by the usual goons employed for that sort of thing that many other people have described and then taken to a medical center to get medical clearance. From there she went to their main office to get strip searched, her belongings taken from her, and given "wilderness gear." She was provided with clothes that were bright colors to make it obvious if she tried to run.
• She was blindfolded for the ride to "camp" mostly on dirt roads and approximately 80 miles from office to wilderness. It took close to two hours being completely blindfolded. Upon arrival her shoes were taken and she was forced to stay with a staff member at all times, including going to the restroom. She was not allowed to speak to the other girls and they were not allowed to speak or look at her until the staff said so. The staff members also slept on either side of her, wrapping her in a tarp over the sleeping bag to stop her from running. She said the first night she shivered the entire time and was unable to stay warm.
• Like most programs, shoes were taken when they were not necessary. They had hiking boots for hiking and Vans for camp. At night all of their shoes were taken away, and during solos they had no shoes which I will cover later on.
• After a week she was allowed to join the group but was forced to read letters from family members detailing graphic things in front of a group. This was called an "Impact Letter" and all girls were required to read them. There was no privacy when it came to these issues, even ones that were extreme. She recounts a girl who arrived after her that was raped by her father and forced to share graphic details about what he had done to her because the mother was bitter and glaringly jealous from the letter written. Parents are not told that the impact letters they write will be read in front of a group of peers. She says that the girl refused to read and the staff goaded her by saying the rest of the group could not sleep unless she finished. Using the other girls against her. All of this was done by the average staff with no real credentials and not clinicians. The therapist was only there for two days out of the week for a few hours. He would meet with each girl once a week for a short amount of time and rely on the staff's recounting of events that happened during the week.
• The girls hiked an average of 6-10 miles a day with packs that weighed anywhere from 40 to 60lbs. Most girls were not conditioned to carry gear like this. In addition to their personal supplies they were required to carry group supplies. The only girls who were exempt from carrying packs were those under 80lbs.
• The girls never went indoors even during thunderstorms and snowstorms. There were nights when everyone was forced to wake up due to thunder and lightning. Their only protection from the elements was a tarp and their sleeping bag plus a thin foam pad. They weren't allowed to sit on anything other than a smaller foam pad unless they had the privilege of getting a special camp chair by "leveling up." My friend said that by the time anyone alerted her that she needed to finish her "phase work" to graduate the program, plans to move her to another facility due to "program non compliance" had been made.
• Meals consisted of granola and oats for the morning and beans and rice or pasta in the evenings, sometimes with additional vegetables. Meat was given once a week. They had bags of personal food that consisted of 3 fruits, trail mix, occasionally canned tuna, peanut butter, tortillas, a bit of cheese, and some other small options she can't remember to eat for lunch or snacks. These were replenished twice a week. Newcomers were given better food than the ones who had been there for a while. On special occasions like a birthday they would get cupcakes, and at the staff's discretion other things. Staff brought their own food that was often leagues better than what the kids were eating. Kids "washed" the small metal cups with dirt and then boiled them at the end of the night to sterilize them. No other cleaning supplies were given.

Here is what those cups looked like with measurements, the kids usually had one cup per meal that wasn't from their personal food. The only condiments they had were cinnamon, soy sauce, and hot sauce. They were expected to craft a spoon to eat with once the plastic spoon they received broke as part of their "phase work" and most kids who didn't want to build a spoon or were in the process of making theirs would just eat with random sticks.

• A nurse would occasionally show up to take vitals and urine samples. My friend says she tested positive for blood in her urine despite not menstruating and nothing was done. A girl got sick with a high fever, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. and was not removed from camp and continued to be within the group, forced to hike, and more. The girl thankfully recovered but had lost a visible amount of weight despite being thin already. Her weight was not checked after this.
• There was one night that the kids were forced awake, strip searched, and forced to hike due to one of the girls allegedly finding a glass shard and attempting to slice herself open. The glass was there because they were on public lands, used by campers and ranchers. The girls hiked in complete darkness to a new campsite while the staff addressed the "safety concern." My friend notes that even though she and the others had not done anything and did not have any contraband, the staff were very cold towards them all during this incident.
• The girls were not allowed to know the time of day, the directions they were heading in, or what activities were planned for the day. If there were any signs on the path they were hiking a staff member would cover them as they passed. They were allowed to know the length of a hike after it was completed.
• The girls were provided with a bucket of water and cheap soap to wash with twice a week, even in the snow they were required to strip down and wash themselves. These washings were done much like how the girls would handle going to the bathroom. They were told what direction to go in and they were required to call their names every five to ten seconds as they walked to find a secluded place to do their thing. They were required to bag their used sanitary products and toilet paper in a ziploc. Pooping was a different issue, and they had two options: the first was they needed to dig a hole that was a specific size with what was essentially a busted up coffee tin, these holes would be measured before they could be used, and the second involved a camp chair with the bottom cut out and a poop bag. And yes, this communal chair was carried by one of the girls as part of their camp supplies.
• Hair washing was done twice a week as a communal thing, the girls would often braid their hair at this time as it kept their hair healthy. They washed hands as a communal thing before meals, and also washed their feet once a day. Their feet were inspected by staff after washing for blisters and fungus.
• At one point she got an infection around her lips and nose that wasn't treated until her family made mention of it in the photos that were sent home as it had taken over a portion of her face. It was staph of unknown origin. She did not get to leave to have it treated.
• Another student fell into a cactus and had to have a staff member use forceps/tweezers to remove the fibers as the girls were not allowed to hold them.
• She also wanted me to add that during her stay there were multiple children of celebrities, politicians and well-known athletes who were a part of the program, court ordered placements, foster kids who were unable to be kept in homes, and international students. The group was mixed race, mixed income, mixed nationality.
• The kids had something called solos where the kids would be restricted to a small campsite of their own with no interactions, for 72 hours outside of meals being delivered to them. On the first day they were provided with nothing but their food and their sleeping gear. After 24 hours they were allowed to books and journals. Even when staff came around they would not speak, they would communicate through gestures.
• No Talk, Code Silence, etc. were often enforced and utilized to control the kids. They were not allowed to speak when staff wasn't present. Letters were read and anything speaking negatively was discarded immediately and a student would be punished.
• Humiliation was often used on the kids to make them obedient. Group peer pressure and bullying was commonplace.

I've got more on the other places she went as well as the parts of her story she was willing to share, but she said wilderness was the most traumatic. If anyone has questions or anything I can pass those along too. She wants to open up about it but doesn't want to give out too much identifiable info so some questions might be a little too personal, but anything she can safely answer she will.

She hopes you guys will bring the same kind of hell to the TTI that has been brought to the zoosadists.

 

[doodoocaca]

She hopes you guys will bring the same kind of hell to the TTI that has been brought to the zoosadists.

Thank you for posting this. That had to be harrowing. How long was it?

As far as bringing them hell, I will absolutely do my best. I wonder if it's time to pivot to naming names and tracking people down. Staff, owners, goons - all of them.

 

[Jarolleon]

Laughing at y’all calling these programs “commie shit” when the one I was at (Cross Creek Academy) was run by Mormon Libertarians who banned the Quran and explicitly hated left wingers/ communism/ anything like that. I get the similarities in the “brainwashing” that you can find in various places throughout history, definitely in online spaces that promote groupthink and cognitive dissonance. But to the program, relying on the government or anyone else for any help was a way of avoiding accountability for your own life. Their ideology is very different from anything communist and even though I love the farms it’s probably closer to a lot of the people on here lol

These types do borrow some commie tricks though, similar to how Chick Tracts were modelled off Maoist propaganda. The whole "send people to a grueling labour camp to set them straight" idea is also a relatively recent invention, you don't really hear about it before the 20th century and suddenly every cult and dictatorship under the sun started using it. There were penal colonies before but their purpose was purely utilitarian with no pretensions of purification.

 

[NyQuilninja]

Thank you for posting this. That had to be harrowing. How long was it?

As far as bringing them hell, I will absolutely do my best. I wonder if it's time to pivot to naming names and tracking people down. Staff, owners, goons - all of them.

I guess I missed it is this personal for you? Why the Crusade?

 

[gsv2w3erfe4]

We need to dig up shit on the current programs and current abusers.

NATSAP (WWASPS 2.0) member programs, other groups such as Aspen Education or Sequel, independent programs, former WWASPS being restarted, religious shit, all that. The money men, the abusers, the rapists, the edcons, all of them.

I'm not sure how to do this; my wheelhouse was always finding other victims and deprogramming parents. I can look stuff up already found, but digging in beyond seeing someone else's research is something I haven't done yet. I'll try, of course, but any pointers would help. I suppose looking up to see names listed and a little bit of linkedin stalking couldn't hurt?

I don't know if there is any collected directory of these places, but I looked at the NATSAP website and found a list of their member groups. I highly doubt that this is a full list of all groups in the TTI, since some probably aren't members of the NATSAP.
I will note that some of these groups don't seem to be part of the Troubled Teen Industry per se. One result I saw in the list was only for adults from 18-30 and part of the university of Utah. I'm not going to immediately assume they torture people (or stop them from leaving) just because they are on this list.

You can just leave the fields empty and click the search button. There's currently 123 results:

https://natsap.org/search/custom.asp?id=6395

I think this is a list of service providers. Like the page says, it includes stuff like insurance providers, transportation companies, and food service providers. 25 results:

https://natsap.org/search/custom.asp?id=6397

Aside from the search pages, we have this about the board of the NATSAP:

https://natsap.org/page/NATSAPWhoWeAre

And these pages about accreditation requirements for groups who want to join:

https://natsap.org/page/Accreditation

https://natsap.org/page/JoinNow

Edit:
I found this page, but it seems to be broken right now: https://www.unsilenced.org/facility-map/
Another map, but it only exists as an archive:

https://web.archive.org/web/20211221192120/https://www.breakingcodesilence.org/facility-reporting-map/

Another list of facilities that have been reported:

https://www.breakingcodesilence.org/for-professionals/facility-reporting/

This page was mentioned already, anyways if you click on a state you can see programs in that state:

https://www.unsilenced.org/program-archive/

And this page is just a list of non us programs:

https://www.unsilenced.org/program-archive/non-us-program/

Not exactly the same thing, but an searchable index of documents:

https://unsilenced-search.netlify.app/?size=n_60_n

I wonder if it's time to pivot to naming names and tracking people down. Staff, owners, goons - all of them.

The thing about staff and goons is that they are probably dumb muscle. There will always be more of them. Who knows what the employee turnover is like at these places. Those jobs probably attract abusive people, but I wonder if the people in charge and the ones who set up the rules deserve the most blame for this.

 

[doodoocaca]

I guess I missed it is this personal for you? Why the Crusade?

Does it matter? Hundreds of thousands of children are being tortured, right now, and that should be enough. If someone asks, through an intermediary or otherwise, to do something about it like how regular ass autists decided to wreck the monkey torturers, why should I not oblige?

The thing about staff and goons is that they are probably dumb muscle. There will always be more of them. Who knows what the employee turnover is like at these places. Those jobs probably attract abusive people, but I wonder if the people in charge and the ones who set up the rules deserve the most blame for this.

Let's do both.

The money men, the lawyers, the assholes, yes, those are the ring leaders. They facilitate the programs, they make blind eyes by greasing palms, and they make opportunities for the "dumb muscle," yes. But the dumb muscle is still torturing children and they'll often hop from program to program, or program to psychiatric hospital. They are a problem too, even if they're boorish.

Case in point:

 

[ye's Official KF Burner]

Thank you for posting this. That had to be harrowing. How long was it?

As far as bringing them hell, I will absolutely do my best. I wonder if it's time to pivot to naming names and tracking people down. Staff, owners, goons - all of them.

She was at 2nd Nature for 13 weeks, she spent 22 months at a CERTS residential treatment center, and then another 4 months at the CERTS "step down" school.

 

[NyQuilninja]

Does it matter? Hundreds of thousands of children are being tortured, right now, and that should be enough. If someone asks, through an intermediary or otherwise, to do something about it like how regular ass autists decided to wreck the monkey torturers, why should I not oblige?
H

Your the first person I've heard genuinely bothered by this. I've grown accustomed to the apathy surrounding it
I'm guilty of this myself. I'm going continue to lurk and for the sake of the victims who've suffered worse than me and still are I'd rather not shit up this thread with own experience. If I can be of some assistance let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

the kind of people who weasel out of even letting you discuss this then go CURRENTYEAR CURRENTTHING and demand you bleat or you're A Bad Person™

Speaking of, when this site -- that exposes zoosadists and concentration camps like the ones discussed in this thread -- is regarded by SJWs and MSM as "a hive of scum and villainy" and "one of the worst sites on the internet", it is really the Clown World essence.

 

[NyQuilninja]

Long list of places closed and explains why they are please help me archive this


http://heal-online.org/youarenext.htm

 

[Anticipointment]

Long list of places closed and explains why they are please help me archive this


http://heal-online.org/youarenext.htm

https://archive.ph/whGjH

 

[NyQuilninja]

Although public are not the child gulags they seem
Please understand how these kids often end up there
S.E.D severely emotionally disturbed kids are segregated into specialized education behavioral modification schools from there they are often treated very poorly till they show serious at risk behavior and and often court ordered to lockdown facilities
It's a school to prison pipeline this abuse is easy as the students are vulnerable because their isolated in their own segregated schools closed off from other students and educators
And since it's their against the institution they are left alone and taught to hate themselves

https://edsource.org/2022/stop-isolating-students-with-disabilities/667500

Just Google special ed schools abuse
https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/08/...hment-students-disabilities-us-public-schools


https://local12-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/local12.com/amp/news/nation-world/special-needs-classroom-place-of-torture-as-judge-sentences-teacher-west-virginia-kanawha-county-charleston-nancy-boggs-holz-elementary-special-education-students-abused-abuse-child-abuse-emotional-physical-verbal?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17110312200503&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Flocal12.com%2Fnews%2Fnation-world%2Fspecial-needs-classroom-place-of-torture-as-judge-sentences-teacher-west-virginia-kanawha-county-charleston-nancy-boggs-holz-elementary-special-education-students-abused-abuse-child-abuse-emotional-physical-verbal

 

[FatalTater]

The thing about staff and goons is that they are probably dumb muscle. There will always be more of them.

Name and shame 'em anyway.
Make it harder for them to move on from that job to one with more influence.
Naming the underlings could make it easier to triangulate the leaders, if it's listed that they worked at the same places.
If someone who worked in one of those camps was in your social circle, how would you find out if it isn't mentioned anywhere? Would you let them babysit your children if you knew?

 

[doodoocaca]

It's a school to prison pipeline this abuse is easy as the students are vulnerable because their isolated in their own segregated schools closed off from other students and educators
And since it's their against the institution they are left alone and taught to hate themselves

This is precisely why I think we need to take this very, very seriously, and make sure people completely understand the scope of the problem. This is not over, this is not about bad kids, this is not about rich kids, this is not about someone you can just shrug off and disregard.

It's about everyone, because anyone could get sucked into this, because it's about money.

There absolutely is a school to prison (or institution) pipeline, or put another way, benefits trafficking. There is a system in place that shovels money to institutions that 'care' for people with certain conditions or statuses that encourages institutionalization for as long as possible. Insurance is milked, public programs at local, state, and federal levels are milked; Sequel, the owner of Riverside Academy, in the OP, makes $800 per kid per day and gets 90% of its income from public programs.

You think it's bad that schools push attendance at all costs for money? Look at what happens when "oh we have programs to help your kids" that turns into a Kafkaesque monster that infects a child's life like a monster and pulls them into institutionalization. This isn't a what if, this is a now.

BreakingCodeSilence (the grammar's bad because the program just said 'code silence' without the 'of' preposition, before someone asks) had some 'meh' infographics, but they're still useful, if only as an example to work off of, and examples of benefits trafficking:



It is important to remember that with the way things are going, kids are going to get wrapped up in institutions over completely normal things, like just having a bad day, a fight, a personality clash with a teacher or another student, or even being bullied. If you want to stay up at night, think about "transition programs" and you'll soon learn all about your bedroom ceiling.

EDIT: https://www.elevationsrtc.com/gender-affirming-practices-in-residential-treatment-centers/

https://archive.ph/PUgwS

Yep. Elevations is cashing in and joining the gravy train. Yes, the same program that brought Jimmy to the world! Now with brand new horrors like forcibly drugging them if they decide they're not trans anymore! I'll let someone else find other programs that do this shit.

 

[NyQuilninja]

I'm just glad people are aware in this thread that this goes back a long ways and it is very much so ingrained in the current educational mental health system I've known adults to this very day ages 10 though age of 30 have lived in institutions and have never had Independent living why I couldn't even tell you they were simply diagnosed as a kid and hauled off to a rcf
And that's it they wait years and decades to get an approval to leave because of a court order. It's like being sentence to prison for life
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/10/forced-institutionalization-people-disabilities/

 

[doodoocaca]

Alright, time to go there - psychiatry's a fucking joke. Foucault and Rosenhan took it behind the proverbial woodshed and spitroasted it and the practice has collectively pretended nothing's happened. But many kiwis might not understand what I'm talking about, so here goes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment https://archive.is/jRZVX
Rosenhan and colleagues pretended to be crazy, were admitted, then recanted and took a while to finally be released. Despite faking identical symptoms, their diagnoses ranged from manic-depression to schizophrenia, and their stays ranged from 7 to 52 days; average was 19. All but one were discharged with schizophrenia "in remission". Not a single pseudopatient was identified by an imposter. The group took notes openly and in one case it was considered "pathological 'writing behavior' ".

They were openly discussed as though they weren't present, generally objectified and dehumanized, randomly searched, and some were verbally and physically abused.

Rosenhan and the other pseudopatients reported an overwhelming sense of dehumanization, severe invasion of privacy, and boredom while hospitalized. Their possessions were searched randomly, and they were sometimes observed while using the toilet. They reported that though the staff seemed to be well-meaning, they generally objectified and dehumanized the patients, often discussing patients at length in their presence as though they were not there, and avoiding direct interaction with patients except as strictly necessary to perform official duties. Some attendants were prone to verbal and physical abuse of patients when other staff were not present. A group of patients waiting outside the cafeteria half an hour before lunchtime were said by a doctor to his students to be experiencing "oral-acquisitive" psychiatric symptoms. Contact with doctors averaged 6.8 minutes per day.[8]

Rosenhan then said "we're gonna do it again", actually did not. Hospitals then said they found 41 imposters and suspected 42 more despite not a single person doing this a second time.

For this experiment, Rosenhan used a well-known research and teaching hospital, whose staff had heard of the results of the initial study but claimed that similar errors could not be made at their institution. Rosenhan arranged with them that during a three-month period, one or more pseudopatients would attempt to gain admission and the staff would rate every incoming patient as to the likelihood they were an impostor. Out of 193 patients, 41 were considered to be impostors and a further 42 were considered suspect. In reality, Rosenhan had sent no pseudopatients; all patients suspected as impostors by the hospital staff were ordinary patients. This led to a conclusion that "any diagnostic process that lends itself too readily to massive errors of this sort cannot be a very reliable one."[2]

Indeed, the experience of the volunteers was not unlike that of a program:

I told friends, I told my family: "I can get out when I can get out. That's all. I'll be there for a couple of days and I'll get out." Nobody knew I'd be there for two months ... The only way out was to point out that they're [the psychiatrists are] correct. They had said I was insane, "I am insane; but I am getting better." That was an affirmation of their view of me.[9]

To go into philosophical arguments against it, such as Foucalt's Madness and Civilization & Discipline and Punish, Thomas Szasz's The Myth of Mental Illness, Erving Goffman's Asylums: Essays on the Social Situation of Mental Patients and Other Inmates, R.D. Laing's The Divided Self, and David Cooper's Psychiatry and Anti-Psychiatry, would be a much deeper dive to do it justice, but tl;dr it's about silencing people by locking them up or terrorizing them into conformity.

Yanno, like how programs force you to hide symptoms and call it a cure.

 

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Not a single pseudopatient was identified by an imposter.

Fun fact: in this experiment or another like it, the imposters reported that while the shrinks never identified them, plenty of the other patients figured out they were faking it.