Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

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When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

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I'm actually confused as to what the opening move here should be. The attorneys have presented themselves, but who has the ball? Is Russel supposed to make a filing? Or is Null?
Mr. Hardin ought to either refile the motion to comply, file a motion for sanctions, or file a Rule 41 (b) motion to dismiss, or any combination of them

That aside, technically the ball is in Russ’ court to meet the deadlines and continue to litigate the case. Null has done his part and submitted his answer to the complaint.

This is just my opinion but I think the best thing to do is for Hardin to file a motion to force Russ to prosecute. I don't think a judge would ever get mad at your for asking for the case to continue.

I wouldn't do anything more than that because you don't want to come one too strong but you also don't want to give time for Russ to relax and get his bearings. Russ is in a bad situation right now and you want to exploit that. If you can avoid this case turning into another 3 year long slog you should take it.

Russ should do as much damage control as possible and try to get lawyers to actually argue on his behalf. He might not manage to win while being pro-se but if he can do enough to stabilize his case and then get someone decently competent this case will go from funny to annoying for us.
 
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It had been a bad day for the self-proclaimed stud named Russell Greer. The adoptive parents who named him thusly had been unable to tame his wild sexual ways. Now roamed the US like Johnny Appleseed leaving a bounty of lawsuits in his wake. At long last his travels had brought him to the sweltering state of Florida, where an attempt to pawn his penis in order to raise funds for competent legal counsel had come to naught.

“The true value of the appendage under discussion is not equivalent to the total sum you have spent on getting it sucked...” reported the man behind the counter. The tattoo of Red Barber on his bicep gurned amidst the glass cases of sporting memorabilia.

“...I don't need to see it to tell you that any cash you raise from it will be negligible to say the least. You'd do better danglin' it in Turkey Creek in the hope of catchin' one o' them Monsanto wishin' fishes. If you can manage that, ask it to give you a bigger dick, then come back here an' I'll make you a deal.”

Flummoxed by the rejection of the pawn shop owner, who was clearly prejudiced against the disabled, Greer had forgotten the location of the imaginary home address that he had been filing on his legal paperwork. Ever since, he had been roaming the Everglades searching for the way back to Vegas.

From the veranda of his plantation house, Joshua Conner Moon fanned himself with a limp wrist as he watched the approach of his legal adversary, the fanboat veering erratically under the guidance of Greer's spent monkey paw of a hand. Moon's fingers cautiously trawled the air above an occasional table until they connected with the condensation that was scaling the glass stem of his mint julep.

“Why I do declare,” he said.
 
Is that really the case? While it’s true that a District court is free to interpret local rules, they are not free to interpret federal rules.
On paper no. All courts should be doing the same thing with the Federal rules. In practice though it's way more complicated. If everything went perfectly there would never be such a thing as circuit splits on anything. Especially when a novel issue like this one comes up.

That said though I do agree trying to bring back the 12b(6) is a stretch and just getting the case tossed for non prosecution would be easier.
 
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I love how you can tell this section was slotted in. The fontsize isn't even the same as the rest, and the argument is next level hilariously bad. 'I have some friends in Utah and my alma matter (lol) is there.'
Must've been a last minute brainfart he decided to add before submitting.
I just want to point out that Russell was adopted and raised in Evanston, Wyoming. To our knowledge all of his family is still in Evanston and he has no family in Utah. So he's either lying again or just such a retard he doesn't know what state he grew up in.
 
I just want to point out that Russell was adopted and raised in Evanston, Wyoming. To our knowledge all of his family is still in Evanston and he has no family in Utah. So he's either lying again or just such a retard he doesn't know what state he grew up in.
isn't lying to a judge generally a very bad no-no if you get caught?
 
Forgot to add, but it's important. The issue is not the RULE its that it was the 10th circuit and not the 11th circuit who interpreted it. Specifically, their interpretation of what constitutes proper interpretation of a Pro Se filing with a 12(b)(6) opposition. The 11th circuit may have a wildly different idea what "reading it in terms most favorable" means.
 
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That said though I do agree trying to bring back the 12b(6) is a stretch and just getting the case tossed for non prosecution would be easier.
For what it's worth, I did enjoy your theory.
The issue is not the RULE its that it was thr 10th circuit and not thr 11th circuit who interpreted it. Specifically, their interpretation of what constitutes priper interpretation of a Pro Se filing with a 12(b)(6) opposition. The 11th circuit may have a wildly different idea what "reading it in terms most favorable" means.
To any extent the 10th's interpretation is binding on the case under "law of the case" doctrine, the 11th Circuit should use two of the three exceptions it carved out for itself, and disregard that interpretation. "In particular, we have carved out three principal exceptions to the law of the case doctrine: "when (1) a subsequent trial produces substantially different evidence (2) controlling authority has since made a contrary decision of law applicable to that issue or (3) the law-of-the-case is clearly erroneous and will work manifest injustice if not if not reconsidered."" (Aldana v. Del Monte Fresh Produce N.A., Inc., 578 F.3d 1283 (11th Cir. 2009) (again thank you to @Tathagata ). This case isn't a perfect fit, but if "law of the case" doctrine applies, this is good enough. It is clear that we meet, at least, exception three. It's entirely possible that in the last 4 months, one of the 11th Circuit courts has made a contrary copyright decision to the 10th's, which would also give us exception two (helpful if unneeded).

Now, for the interesting question. Does that doctrine really apply? Florida's Supreme Court thinks so. In 1992 it complained that there were no other appellate decisions in Florida that would help "shedding light" on this issue. 32 years later, I can confirm that this is still the case. It found a 3rd Circuit case (holding that upon a venue change, law of the case doctrine holds) persuasive (among a small number of other similar cases), and effectively adopted it. Now, here's the kicker, for our good boy, Russ. Hey, Supreme Court of Florida! Can Russ go back to Utah? "These decisions make clear that the interests of justice require a rule designed to inhibit trial courts from engaging in a "ping-pong game" by transferring a case back and forth, thereby jeopardizing the rights of the parties and undermining public confidence in the judicial function. Accordingly, we conclude that absent extraordinary circumstances, a trial judge's order granting a change of venue may not be reviewed by a successor trial judge in the new venue. Once such an order has been issued, it must be honored in the new venue unless and until a proper appellate court rules otherwise." - State v. Gary, 609 So. 2d 1291 (Fla. 1992)

Oh, boy. Well, I guess you're here for the long haul then, Russ!
 
Given that it’s completely irrelevant to anything I don’t think any judge is going to care.
It’s only really an issue when it’s perjury and that’s pretty damn narrow. People lie to judges all the fucking time, it’s the whole reason we have an adversarial court system for civil and criminal.

What lol-level bullshitting does, is annoy the judge. (I didn’t lie, I just bullshitted!) you don’t want to annoy the judge. At most you want to bore him so he just wants it out of his courtroom. Otherwise you might get sent to Florida.

In this case it would be easy for “family” to be extended family, and anyone who lives in a smaller state like Wyoming almost certainly has cousins or uncles or whatnot across the state lines.

The most amusing thing about all this is we now have PROOF (to me, at least) that Russ is intentionally playing the “I’m a fucking retard” defense. He’s smart enough to realize that’s a possibility; and was already working on the “I thought a stay was automatic” reply to an order to close the case; hence his reuse of it for an order to move the case.

But I don’t think he knew about unappealable orders. He should, his personality is incredibly unappealing.
 
For some inexplicable reason, Mr. Hardin decided to respond to Russ' whining motion to Utah court.
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He even acknowledges that the court literally cannot rule on Greer's motion. Perplexing
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For some inexplicable reason, Mr. Hardin decided to respond to Russ' whining motion to Utah court.
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He even acknowledges that the court literally cannot rule on Greer's motion. Perplexing
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was the motion even added to the case in the first place? my understanding was that the Utah court would be no longer accepting any documents and any motions or memorandums would have to be sent to the Florida case.
 
For some inexplicable reason, Mr. Hardin decided to respond to Russ' whining motion to Utah court.
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He even acknowledges that the court literally cannot rule on Greer's motion. Perplexing
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It might just a hail mary to get Russ to start litigating it in Florida and get this show on ths road. It's proven to be easier to get Russ' attention by filing motions than by any other means, after all.
 
For some inexplicable reason, Mr. Hardin decided to respond to Russ' whining motion to Utah court.
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He even acknowledges that the court literally cannot rule on Greer's motion. Perplexing
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It may be to simply help forestall an avenue of appeal. Because which would be the "Proper Appeals Court"for the transfer? 10th or 11th?

This may be to avoid leaving a dangling thread that the clearly eratic 10th may choose to pull on unexpectedly.
 
Rule 41 (b) dismissal seems a lot less complicated, and therefore more likely (to succeed) than a renewed Rule 12(b)(6).
It may be one of those cases where pleading 12(b)(6) or some other 12 as an alternative (or filing separate motions) could be worth it, but it could be such a doomed argument it isn't even worth nool's money to do that. However, I do think it's a generally good idea to shower Russ with arguments he's too stupid to counter.

"Oh, but AnOminous are you saying Hardin should use sneaky Jew magic to bully a pro se litigant?" You're goddamn right. Even in a case with some arguable merit this vexatious fucker is fucking around with malicious intent, deliberately or incredibly stupidly filing bogus mailing addresses with the court, blowing off orders, and generally being an absolute retard. Hardin should fuck him as hard as possible.
 
Now that Russell's shit on the carpet, might as well rub his nose in it.

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Head tightening commences.
The footnote is chef's kiss.

1 Mr. Greer appears to believe that he is in litigation with “a terrorist network,” notwithstanding that this is a copyright case involving the book Greer wrote about vexatious litigation. Such delusions are not uncommon, but at least one District Court has speculated that they may stem from an “aware[ness] of what you did and the consequences,” rather than from any genuine mental incapacity.
 
It is not in the Florida case file, nor is it in the clerk's certified copy of the Utah's docket
The Utah judge apparently wants to give Hardin some nice ammunition to use in Florida to introduce the judge to exactly what kind of plaintiff she's dealing with, so I'm pretty sure he'll enter this to complete the record. (Derp: this is from Hardin. DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS)

The footnote is kino.

Funny that both Utah judges did us solids.
It may be to simply help forestall an avenue of appeal. Because which would be the "Proper Appeals Court"for the transfer? 10th or 11th?
Neither. Transfer orders are, as a general rule, unappealable.
 
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