Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Miriam Margoyles]

Why is Hollywood doing this weird thing? The same reason Hollywood is always doing weird things.

To get you to do it.

You wouldn't have plastic surgery if it wasn't for Hollywood. You wouldn't have pornography if it wasn't for Hollywood. You wouldn't have a lot of stuff we now accept as 'normal' if it wasn't for Hollywood. It's a propaganda machine.

 

[melty]

This is most obvious when trannies talk about 'mourning their lost girlhoods', being denied things like playing with Barbies and singing along with pop songs and sleepovers and trips to the mall, as if this is something all women experience. This sort of carefree, pastel pink, hearts and flowers, 'Claire's Accessories' style existence. I don't know where they get this idea from - perhaps from television, perhaps from advertising, perhaps from observing and quietly seething at sisters and female relatives for years - but they seem to think that stuff like this is a fundamental aspect of growing up female, and, well...

"Lost time" is such a stupid concept. Everybody's life is different. Everyone has periods of time, sometimes even long ones, where they're not doing much. Terminally online privileged people love this idea that they have somehow lost years completely outside of their control.

Skipped six years of life? Wow, was she in a coma? In jail? No, of course she was doing exactly the same shit as she is right now, reading twitter and getting high. But she feels like things should have been different so it's "skipped" time.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

This might be a little unpopular here - because troons like to bring hypothetical scenarios about some future sex-change technology. So Kiwis here are understandably allergic to hypothetical discussion, but it seems like troonacy has been killing our imaginations too.

In the movie Aliens, there's a brief dossier about Joan Lambert that pointed out that she was actually born male, but was converted into female at birth - and now people are clamoring for the fact that she would be a transgender representation, while missing the fact of the setting that it's in the future with human-like robots, genetic engineering, space travel, biological horrors, and especially the conversion procedure seemed to be a sci-fi thing. In the story filled with sexual imagery, if she's still male' I think they'd have done with it more. Instead of thinking that she's transgender - why don't they think that maybe 'actual sex change' is a thing in that setting without it having to do with modern troonism? Perhaps some sort of gene-editing vector and organ regrowing. Now any hypothetical sexual scenarios similarly get interpreted through the lens trans activism without considering the context of the story or other cultural implications.

'Trans' as a word is an tacit acceptance that sex change isn't possible, because if it's possible, they would just be female or male.

On a similar note, I've seen twitter and tumblr writers writing trans characters in sci-fi stories where transitioning is exactly as it is today, just people doping on cross-sex hormones with GRS Horror surgeries. As if they see these procedures as rituals, something that has to be done for identity, even though in the setting, it would've been more logical if 1. The character would be able to really change sex, and that made 'trans' a moot idea because you're literally another sex when it's done OR 2. The society has moved on from the concept of transgenderism and people learned to cope in other ways.

 

[teriyakiburns]

On a similar note, I've seen twitter and tumblr writers and artists trying to write trans characters in sci-fi setting where transitioning is exactly as it is today, just people doping on cross-sex hormones with GRS Horror surgeries. As if they see these procedures as rituals, something that has to be done for identity,

That's because they have to performatively display trans "identity" through those rituals in order to give it "representation" and "visibility". Beneath it all is an inability, or more likely a refusal, to use allegory or symbolism, or to engage in speculative thinking on the subject, as in their mode of thought the use of allegorical, symbolic, or non-real imagery to address a topic is incorrect and immoral, and likely racist and oppressive to boot. They have deliberately suppressed their imagination to the point that they cannot conceive of "trans" as anything other than mainlining horse piss and undergoing pointless cosmetic surgery.

 

[Aunt Carol]

On a similar note, I've seen twitter and tumblr writers and artists trying to write trans characters in sci-fi setting where transitioning is exactly as it is today, just people doping on cross-sex hormones with GRS Horror surgeries. As if they see these procedures as rituals,

I've seen endless Star Trek representation bitching along these lines, and yeah, if it takes less than an afternoon to make a human surgically Romulan in a way that will pass visual and sensor muster, there shouldn't be trans people in the sense we have them now. Maybe it'd take a couple days to grow the new gonads, but you could spend that filling out all your paperwork and updating the alumni listerv.

Same as there not being people with glasses or "fat representation" in Star Trek which is Harry Mudd erasure on a nearly-criminal level. And same as that anecdote where someone asked Patrick Stewart why Picard was bald, if they have super-science. He said that they could have science'd him up hair, but in the future, people just might not care about being bald. (And you could theoretically say that anyone used to be bald but got it fixed and moved on.)

This is another reason I am annoyed at nu-Trek, but given I am posting on an Internet message board you can assume that already.

 

[Space Police]

On a similar note, I've seen twitter and tumblr writers and artists writing trans characters in sci-fi setting where transitioning is exactly as it is today, just people doping on cross-sex hormones with GRS Horror surgeries. As if they see these procedures as rituals, something that has to be done for identity, even though in the setting, it would've been more logical if 1. The character would be able to really change sex, and that made 'trans' a moot idea because you're literally another sex when it's done OR 2. The society has moved on from the concept of transgenderism and people learned to cope in other ways.

Certain transmeds like to claim that if they pass well enough after the GRS horror show, they have literally changed sex and become "cis". They say that they were born as "transsexual females" because muh brain sex is most important and that after SRS and passing, they're not externally different from real women, so they are "cis women".

 

[Jacques1194]

'Trans' as a word is an tacit acceptance that sex change isn't possible, because if it's possible, they would just be female or male.

On a similar note, I've seen twitter and tumblr writers and artists writing trans characters in sci-fi setting where transitioning is exactly as it is today, just people doping on cross-sex hormones with GRS Horror surgeries. As if they see these procedures as rituals, something that has to be done for identity, even though in the setting, it would've been more logical if 1. The character would be able to really change sex, and that made 'trans' a moot idea because you're literally another sex when it's done OR 2. The society has moved on from the concept of transgenderism and people learned to cope in other ways.

To add to this, its because they want to have their cake and eat it to.Think of it like this "How can trans people claim to be special and unique if people will see them as another boring cis person?"Likewise in a hypothetical future where sex changes are possible, I believe quite a few trans people (especially those non binary types) would refuse a sex change because it would take away their special status as being a "transgender person".I also think some are so narcissistic that they'd argue "Its bigotry because it makes it seem like there's something wrong with me and that I need to change!"There's a similar argument that I got into with a tranny when I asked them "If there's a pill in the future that can correct your brain to where it matches your sex then would you take it?"The response I got from a TIP was that it would be terrible, because it takes away their DESIRE to be a woman.Its better that technology advices to fill people's desires than take away the thoughts of what a person wants.That proved to me that this was never about actually wanting to help trans people deal with their issues.It's just another case of wanting to play god and giving humanity whatever it wants without facing any issues, or trying to find realistic solutions.

 

[Susanna]

There's a similar argument that I got into with a tranny when I asked them "If there's a pill in the future that can correct your brain to where it matches your sex then would you take it?"The response I got from a TIP was that it would be terrible, because it takes away their DESIRE to be a woman.Its better that technology advices to fill people's desires than take away the thoughts of what a person wants.

This depends on your viewpoint. Trannies make gender their entire personality, so in proposing a pill that takes that away, you’re actually proposing them identity death. Not to take the tranny side or anything, but you don’t have to be insane to be wary of medication that fundamentally alters your personality, just look at antipsychotics.
I wonder if you would have gotten a different response if you instead proposed a hypothetical future psychotherapy method that flawlessly allows them to cope with their gender dysphoria.

 

[Poppy Brown]

The more mature I get, the more cynical.... The more I feel like troonery is a form of natural selection. I can't wait until the day where the majority of society peaks and all this is deemed as the medical scandal it is.

I consider troonery a form of eugenics rather than natural selection. There is nothing natural about troonery. The vast majority of people wrapped up in gender ideology would not be without outside influence (i.e. social contagion). Even AGPs don't typically troon out until after they have kids. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks so much of what's going on today -- LGBTQ++ mania, fat acceptance, climate change alarmism, feminism, porn, MGTOW, etc.-- are all just a covert eugenics psyop. Or perhaps all of this is just a natural consequence of industrialization/living in soft times + social isolation.

 

[grimacefetishist]

I consider troonery a form of eugenics rather than natural selection. There is nothing natural about troonery. The vast majority of people wrapped up in gender ideology would not be without outside influence (i.e. social contagion). Even AGPs don't typically troon out until after they have kids. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks so much of what's going on today -- LGBTQ++ mania, fat acceptance, climate change alarmism, feminism, porn, MGTOW, etc.-- are all just a covert eugenics psyop. Or perhaps all of this is just a natural consequence of industrialization/living in soft times + social isolation.

I don't think it's eugenics perse. Just the natural progression of individualism in today's rapidly changing environment. Things for me weren't the same for me as my mom, and they weren't the same for her and her mom, but going back farther and farther they all had pretty similar lives and circumstances they could adapt to and share

 

[AfghanBlue]

Just came across this guy via a quote while reading about cryptids.
Interesting guy. Bases covered, auto eroticism, troons, eugenics, childhood sexual physiology, psychedelics, the golden dawn, etc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havelock_Ellis

(The quote in question was
'The sun, the moon and the stars would have disappeared long ago... had they happened to be within the reach of predatory human hands.')

 

[Vandyke Clown]

'Trans' as a word is a tacit acceptance that sex change isn't possible, because if it's possible, they would just be female or male.

Although a full physical conversion (genes, skeleton, musculature, reproductive organs, gametes, everything) would go a long way towards TWAW, it wouldn’t completely eliminate trans identity if done later in life, because a male-to-female would retain all the benefits of male socialisation - and unless the treatment also involved a full mental/personality conversion, they may still possess male focuses, male predilections, and male pattern offending. If the treatment did involve a complete reboot of the psyche, are they even really the same person as before?

Furthermore, if such a technology became routinely available, the likely outcome is that sex would become a matter of fashion, and about as consequential as a haircut. The state of being female would cease to be an object of longing, while that longing for the forbidden/inaccessible is at the very core of the dysphoria. The autogynephile’s desire to insert himself into that forbidden space would not exist if the door to that space was wide open. Penetration through a boundary without permission is what creates the spark of illicit desire - and it’s why Janice Raymond said that, figuratively, all transsexuals rape women.

This is also why project TWAW is doomed to failure: because as soon as women welcome men into womanhood with open arms, the boundary and otherness is gone. Validation becomes worthless if gained for free. Transsexuals don’t actually want to be women - they want the thrill of being allowed to be women.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

Although a full physical conversion (genes, skeleton, musculature, reproductive organs, gametes, everything) would go a long way towards TWAW, it wouldn’t completely eliminate trans identity if done later in life, because a male-to-female would retain all the benefits of male socialisation - and unless the treatment also involved a full mental/personality conversion, they may still possess male focuses, male predilections, and male pattern offending. If the treatment did involve a complete reboot of the psyche, are they even really the same person as before?

And this is why I do not agree with radical feminism - radical feminism like to say that gender norm is a social construct and that the only material reality of sex should matter, but then go around and talk about 'male socialisation' and 'female socialisation' as if it is universal and essential to everyone. That's something I just talked about, that a lot of people assume universal experiences for others and dismiss anything that is outside of it.

You even said in the next paragraph that if physical sex change is possible, then the act of changing sex would not be forbidden, and therefore that would eliminate the fetishtic longing that creates the offending that's inherent to trans identity. They wouldn't be treated as special because of it, there's no boundary to penetrate, All they would realise in their transformation is a quick honeymoon phase and the realisation that becoming another sex does not do anything for them.

"Lost time" is such a stupid concept. Everybody's life is different. Everyone has periods of time, sometimes even long ones, where they're not doing much. Terminally online privileged people love this idea that they have somehow lost years completely outside of their control.
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Skipped six years of life? Wow, was she in a coma? In jail? No, of course she was doing exactly the same shit as she is right now, reading twitter and getting high. But she feels like things should have been different so it's "skipped" time.

"Lost Time" is a stupid concept, and that video is stupid, but I don't see the worry that comes with it as inherently stupid.

The media allowed us to compare with the few lucky people who accomplished things early, and this creates anxiety that you're not good enough, you feel like you're no longer valued as a human being, that's why people worry about lost time and lost opportunities.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The media allowed us to compare with the few lucky people who accomplished things early, and this creates anxiety that you're not good enough, you feel like you're no longer valued as a human being, that's why people worry about lost time and lost opportunities.

Regret and longing to have done things differently is inherent to the human condition. Even if you have achieved a lot in your life, you will still sometimes look back and say "but what if difference?" It's an artefact of growing older, which a healthy person experiences and overcomes, the same as any other challenge they face in life.

This is where the trannies fall down. They encounter this feeling of curiosity about the paths not taken, but because they aren't mentally healthy they interpret it as a sign that they have in fact been robbed of their "true life", and as a reason for why they should transition immediately so they can catch up on all the experiences they missed. In a sense, it's no different than a middle-aged man trying to return to the life of a clubbing teenager, to the days when he had every opportunity before him, so he can pick a different, better, more satisfying life. Of course, it never works, but that doesn't seem to stop him.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Although a full physical conversion (genes, skeleton, musculature, reproductive organs, gametes, everything) would go a long way towards TWAW, it wouldn’t completely eliminate trans identity if done later in life, because a male-to-female would retain all the benefits of male socialisation - and unless the treatment also involved a full mental/personality conversion, they may still possess male focuses, male predilections, and male pattern offending. If the treatment did involve a complete reboot of the psyche, are they even really the same person as before?

Furthermore, if such a technology became routinely available, the likely outcome is that sex would become a matter of fashion, and about as consequential as a haircut. The state of being female would cease to be an object of longing, while that longing for the forbidden/inaccessible is at the very core of the dysphoria. The autogynephile’s desire to insert himself into that forbidden space would not exist if the door to that space was wide open. Penetration through a boundary without permission is what creates the spark of illicit desire - and it’s why Janice Raymond said that, figuratively, all transsexuals rape women.

This is also why project TWAW is doomed to failure: because as soon as women welcome men into womanhood with open arms, the boundary and otherness is gone. Validation becomes worthless if gained for free. Transsexuals don’t actually want to be women - they want the thrill of being allowed to be women.

This is also why you're starting to get increasing numbers of mtftm - troons skinwalking pooners. Everyone is still uncomfortable around mtfs, but has learned to be polite; if you see (what you think is) an ftm you're likely to relax because they're still a woman and nobody's afraid of them.

 

[ephermeral]

A while ago, my employer sent out a mass email about how our email signoff should be formatted. Some of it made sense: don't include emojis or "too blessed to be stressed" but we also had to include our pronouns. I thought it was silly but I go along to get along, so I did it.

Today I finally removed it. I am sick of gender being shoehorned into everything, but by going along to get along that's exactly what I enable. I also don't want to be associated with these lunatics, especially in a professional correspondence. It's a microscopic gesture, I know, but it took me a while to face that I was wrong about how harmful the TRA community is.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

One thing I've noticed lately coming from the gender cult that's especially hypocritical is when they say "our identities aren't inherently political!" Usually it comes up when someone mentions how pronouns in the bio are only ever done as a political statement in support of gender ideology, or in spaces, online or otherwise, where "no political discussion" is a rule. But then they'll turn around and say "everything is political" when, say, someone criticises a woke creator blatantly inserting their views into a work of fiction, and also statements such as "the very act of being openly and proudly trans is a revolutionary act against cisnormativity".

It's not exclusive to the troons, other groups who feel the need to always play the victim say those sorts of things too (like BLM and the fat acceptance movement) but troons seem to do it more than anyone else does.

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

Siiiing if you're glad to be gay (or straight, or bi - though I doesn't quite flow, really)! Sing if you're happy that waaay!

 

[AMHOLIO]

Aesthetics' is one of the scourges upon the world of art and design today and I can't talk enough how I hate how everything today is overly categorized and defined into gazillion labels with all its context and nuances taken out - and I don't see it to be different in its genesis from our obsession with 'gender identity' or 'neurodivergency' or how generation war are ramped up in the news today - these seem to be all symptoms of a larger cultural malaise that I couldn't put my hands on why, but partly I think it's because of social media and the way information spread today.

Aesthetics is thre parts: one, advertising. As in, smaller artist can use a label to tag themselves on social media and a potential audience will form around it. The same with people who repost things.

The second part is forming a small tribal group identity. You gave the example with Nu Metal genre fights, it's people giving an identity to something or saying "X is similar to Y" with a neat little package inside a bigger package. Either way, it's giving a structure to something and letting someone declare what they are and how it makes them (and or everyone who identifies with it) unique. You can look upon discarded art, music, culinary, and dance movements of the past and all see a similar pattern of a genre getting popular, then it splitting, then it splitting further into basically atomization, then the genre quiets down in popularity and the original genre plus a few subgenres are still used to this day. See this website catagorizing electronic music alllll the way back in 1999-2001. There's likely books about genres of things written before their time about niche genres in genres but it would be harder to run across them if you're not searching for them or they went out of print because nobody gave a shit about how some art students in an obscure part of California called themselves a new niche genre of cubism. You can check out trans flag tumblrs to see what narrow personal label maybe 1-4 people used for a few years then grew up and never thought about again.

The third part is that nerds are obsessed with categorizing things, and will argue until the cows come home and a while after, until they collapse from sleep exhaustion. We have useful niche catagories for things like chemicals that have different reactions based on form and very minor compositional differences as well as animals who cannot breed with each other or are a staple species in some way. Even then, arguments happen where someone is still screeching that one plant should be considered a subspecies and not an actual species because of these properties or characteristics, and others fighting back for the other person being wrong or because they are stuck on tradition. This also applies to hobbies and fandoms, where giant bitchfights will happen just because nerds fucking love categorization (maybe due to autism/ocd tendencies/a need to feel smarter by knowing more catagories and obscure terms) and will go balls deep on theories and jargon for no fucking reason other than they believe they're fucking right.


I'm trying to say that this is a problem in all fields, and internet has made it worse for a bit since categorization leads to a bigger audience, but like how many other genres folded into themselves so will the current genres. Some artist will evolve out of the genre naturally and decide to evolve their art further, some will continue until the next big movement pops up and switch to that, and some will just go with that one genre forever out of love. It's annoying but it's a cyclical process and we can see it better in real time since we can watch more artist post to social media, getting a better gage than just our town and the neighboring areas' artists.

Here's hoping the trans fad dies down until only the crazy are left and avoided like the plague they are.

 

[SIMIΔN]

The media allowed us to compare with the few lucky people who accomplished things early, and this creates anxiety that you're not good enough, you feel like you're no longer valued as a human being, that's why people worry about lost time and lost opportunities

My depression compounded for over a decade fuelled recursively by my regret over wasting time due to regretting wasting time

Forgiving myself and narrowing my timewindow to consistently making tomorrow marginally better than today helped me escape without being crushed by the illusion that I was to deep to escape the hole I had dug myself into.

troons skinwalking pooners

"I'm not a hon, I'm boymodeing today and I'm a tomgirl"