Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[el bandito loco]

Short version: No. The loss of the EU was never worth anything that Disney brought to the table. At best you get shittier versions of the EU works. At worst you get shit like Doctor Aphra. Avoid.

well regardless I appreciate the warning. sounds like I'll read the JJM book and whether it's good or bad leave it there unless some other prior EU Author outside of Zahn gets a book and leave it at that.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Sith and other dark side force users are a corruption, not a natural aspect of the force. They often end up with a few powerful beings because the dark side is all about individual pursuit of power. Rivals are dangerous and must be destroyed.

Not true. Some Dark-Side organizations have no backstabbing, like Desann's Reborn and the Disciples of Ragnos. Some eras have the Sith Empire show surprising amounts of cooperation and harmony, like the 1300-year Sith Empire that flourished in exile while the Republic was fighting Sith pretenders who usually came from Dark Jedi ranks. They only started stabbing each other in the back again once they started winning battles against the Republic.

And let's not fool ourselves; the Light Side, or the Jedi interpretation of it, is so flustered and full of flaws that many of their own disciples stab them in the back and become Sith. It got so bad to the point where some people can't see the difference between Jedi and Sith, they just see them as assholes with laser swords and too much power.

The Jedi Order's mindless subservience to the corrupt Republic government which was built from the ground-up to benefit the Core Worlds to the expense of the Outer Rim inhibits their ability to do good; the Light Side would obviously demand the Jedi end the practice of slavery in the Outer Rim, but since the Republic can't benefit from such an action, they don't do it.

It's basically the equivalent of enslaving the Church to do the bidding of Uncle Sam. Which of course, ends with the Jedi not listening to the Will of the Force, instead being too obsessed with keeping their disciples emotionless robots while enslaving themselves to a corrupt bureaucracy that would happily feed them to the wolves if it suits them.

That, of course, logically led to Order 66; the Senate got a new leader who knew how to manipulate them and say the right things, he convinces them that the Jedi are traitors and that he's already dealt with them, and the Senate, despite benefiting from a thousand years of Jedi protection, 25,000 if we count the SWEU, they don't bat an eye and instead cheer for the greatest Jedi-killer of their age.

The fact that the Jedi enslaved themselves to such a morally flimsy body shows that their demise was well-earned; instead of enforcing true justice to seek what would benefit everyone, they became slaves of the rich and the mighty, and the rich and mighty eventually threw them away like used tampons when they grew bored of their protectors and got a new guy who promised them a stronger, better galaxy.

Balancing the force is excising the cancer that is the dark side.

I disagree. The Dark Side can never truly be extinguished, neither can the Light. 25,000 years of Jedi and Republic rule failed to root out the Dark Side, and no amount of power given to the Sith can root out the Light.

Kyle Katarn puts it best in Jedi Academy; neither the Light or Dark Sides are evil, it's what you use with them that counts.

That, and being Light-Side in Star Wars doesn't necessarily make one good. Nor are all Dark-Siders babbling lunatics who can't help but be evil.

The Jedi Council of the KOTOR era were of the Light, but their apathy towards the people who were being mercilessly slaughtered by the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders got billions, probably trillions of people killed. Their actions led to the Fall of Revan and the Jedi Civil War, which probably got even more trillions of people killed.

Starkiller was firmly a Dark Side Force-user who relied on anger and hatred for power, his usage of the Force relied so much on Dark Side fury and power. He not only uses the Force to attack, but to destroy. But he's been firmly on the good guy side ever since Vader stabbed him in the back, with Jedi Master Rahm Kota as his Jedi superior. His actions led to the formation of the Rebel Alliance and the liberation of the galaxy. He's essentially a younger Palpatine who signed on with the good guys, and he's just as destructive as Palpatine was in the films, yet he's a good guy who fought to liberate the galaxy from Palpatine's tyranny.

However, the galaxy wouldn't have needed liberating if the Jedi prior to the Clone Wars did their job and tried to ensure fairness in the Senate to make sure the voices of the people from the Outer Rim were heard; the fact that they didn't led to a Separatist movement that the Sith were able to manipulate. It was a movement that existed because the Senate did nothing to alleviate all the grievances the Outer Rim yokels had with the Republic, and the Jedi just took the Senate's side and remained blind to the needs of the people from the Outer Rim.

So when a charismatic renegade Jedi preached that the Jedi Order and the Republic were the problem, millions of worlds rallied to his banner, which led to the Clone Wars, the Galactic Civil War, and countless trillions of deaths. The apathy of the Jedi led to all this bloodshed and chaos, and ironically, a renegade Sith apprentice had to push into motion the events that would lead to correcting all this nonsense.

And don't tell me ''that only happened because of the Sith.'' Dooku already had a fuckton of issues with the way the Jedi and the Republic ran things, and he was already sympathetic to the Separatist cause. He'd still quit the Order and join the Separatists even if the Sith had nothing to do with it. Except without Palpatine pulling his strings and telling him to throw certain battles, Dooku would likely win the war against the Republic. Remember, the only reason the Republic even stood a fighting chance in the Clone Wars was because Dooku, using his Sith alias of Tyranus, paid Jango Fett and the Kaminoans to make a clone army for the Republic. Remove that from the formula, and Dooku would've likely led the Separatists to victory and crushed the Republic.

There is a discussion to be had about the nature of who gets to wield power. The Jedi effectively created a monopoly on galactic force using groups, all non-dark side groups pretty much being relegated to a local culture and never growing beyond it. A story exploring the philosophy of the Jedi and how they engage with the rest of the galaxy would be interesting but I would not want it to be made under Disney.

I couldn't care less who makes it, because they're likely to fuck up, Disney or otherwise.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Kyle Katarn puts it best in Jedi Academy; neither the Light or Dark Sides are evil, it's what you use with them that counts.

I don't recall Kyle Katarn saying any of that. In fact that game is a prime example of how Dark Side and Light Side are explicitly codified as evil and good respectively so it'd be pretty fucking weird to put dialogue like that in there.

Any writing that tries to portray the Dark Side as anything other than the Star Wars equivalent of the One Ring that gives you immense power in exchange for destroying your soul is total horseshit that undermines the very core morality that the franchise was founded on. Especially when they try to do some ass-backwards logic of how "good and evil must co-exist in balance" in some "dumbfuck's first exposure and total misunderstanding of Eastern philosophy" screed.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I don't recall Kyle Katarn saying any of that. In fact that game is a prime example of how Dark Side and Light Side are explicitly codified as evil and good respectively so it'd be pretty fucking weird to put dialogue like that in there.

Play it again. Dude outright tells you that in the training. Dark and Light powers can be used for good or evil. You can be a Jedi who uses nothing but Light Side powers, but if you kill Rosh, you'll get the Dark Side ending.

Similarly, you can choose to use Sith powers most of the time and still get the Light Side ending if you spare Rosh. It's all about what you use the powers for, not which powers you choose.

In my first playthrough of Jedi Academy, I upgraded all the Dark Side powers and Luke was getting nervous about it, but I still got the Light Side ending because I decided that kicking Marka Ragnos' ass is better than killing Rosh.

Any writing that tries to portray the Dark Side as anything other than the Star Wars equivalent of the One Ring that gives you immense power in exchange for destroying your soul is total horseshit that undermines the very core morality that the franchise was founded on.

What morality? The only morality the Jedi preached is the Jedi way, which was to make you an emotionless robot blindly serving a corrupt democracy that has been portrayed in the films to be inept, ineffective, and approving of evils such as the Empire and Palpatine. The same Senate that the Jedi blindly served happily anointed Palpatine as Emperor after he accused the entire Jedi Order of treason with no tangible evidence outside of four of them trying to kill him. And in the OT, the Jedi tried to turn Luke into a patricidal assassin who doesn't give a fuck about his friends. They disapproved of him trying to save his friends and would've happily let them all die, and they wanted to add Vader to that kill list, which was surprisingly bloodthirsty, in retrospect.

A key part of the Jedi way is to detach yourself from the concerns of the world, and while that can be beneficial, the way the Jedi detached themselves from the galaxy was to not give a shit about its problems until they were biting the Order's ass. They let the corruption in the Senate fester without giving a damn about it, letting corporations run around with million-man droid armies as if that wouldn't cause a problem. They stayed out of the Rebellion until the Rebels were literally knocking on their doorstep, with Leia trying to pick up Kenobi on Tatooine and Luke going to Yoda on Dagobah.

The Jedi idea of morality is blind servitude to a corrupt government while letting the problems of the universe fester and grow until people got so tired of it half the galaxy tried to leave the Republic. Then when that Republic falls, they bury their heads in the sand or the swamp and let the Empire's evils go unchallenged. Say what you will about guys like Rahm Kota, at least he tried to do something about the Empire's evils.

Not to mention that ROTJ introduced a Luke who was Force-choking pig-guards the same way Vader does. There was also the fact that Lucas approved of the Force Unleashed story where a Sith apprentice who specifically sticks to the Dark Side way of doing things, using the Force to annihilate his foes, jumpstarts the Rebellion and kicks off the series of events that leads to the liberation of the galaxy. Luke used the Dark Side, Starkiller used the Dark Side, and yet they were more responsible for the freedom of the galaxy than any purely Light-Side Jedi ever was.

Hell, speaking of the Light Side, it preaches compassion, yet the Jedi are blind to that and fail in their mandate for it. In the Prequels, let slavery continue to exist in the Outer Rim, and in the OT they openly told Luke to let his friends die, and that he should kill his dad. Compassion is something the Jedi lack in both trilogies, which probably explains why the Senate didn't give two flying bantha shits that they were executed, and why locals like Uncle Owen didn't want Luke to get involved with Kenobi.

This is why the ghost of Kenobi tells Luke in the Thrawn Trilogy that he's not the last of the Old Jedi, but the first of the New. The Old Jedi order failed. Luke's new order was far more advanced and powerful, more like the ancient Jedi who balanced light and dark, than the order Kenobi and Yoda served in, where they were so afraid of the dark they ran away from it like cowards. Luke was returning the Jedi Order into what they should be; using both sides of the Force, and listening to the Will of the Force, not blindly serving the Republic.

The main point of the Prequel Trilogy was to show you that the Jedi morality is flawed. They no longer listened to the Will of the Force. They listened to what favors their teachings and their influence in the galaxy, and while it is a benevolent regime, it's one riddled with flaws and apathy that Palpatine and the Sith were able to manipulate. Luke was meant to correct those flaws by being a Jedi who can show emotion and compassion, not becoming an emotionless robot like his predecessors, who avoided things like love as if it were a plague.

The ideal Jedi, as was shown in ROTJ, the Force Unleashed, the Dawn of the Jedi, and many other works, is one who practices the values of the Light to show love, compassion, and forgiveness, but also one who is not afraid to use the Dark Side as a beating stick if it's necessary.

Especially when they try to do some ass-backwards logic of how "good and evil must co-exist in balance" in some "dumbfuck's first exposure and total misunderstanding of Eastern philosophy" screed.

Eastern philosophy does not make Yin and Yang evil and good. Instead, you have to balance out both. It's like humors in Greek medicine. Hence why the Jedi in the Rakatan era balanced out Light and Dark. If anything, the EU view that the Light and Dark should be balanced is more accurate to Yin and Yang, whereas the modern Disney canon makes all Dark Side stuff demonic. Which of course, bit them in the ass when they made the Jedi assholes too.

The Force in the Disneyverse is just ruled by blind assholes on one side, demons and malevolent eldritch abominations on the other. So of course, guess which one the fans like more? Hint: it's the one that lets you fry an entire fleet with jazz fingers. There's a reason why Vader's scenes in Rogue One were the most beloved in that film, and the same could be said of Maul's hallway scene in TCW. And the one scene in the much-maligned Sequel Trilogy that the fans remember the most awesome and iconic was Palpatine's Force Lightning scene where he fries Lando's fleet.

Name me one work that shows the Jedi power being far superior to the Sith's power. I'll sit here and wait. I can name at least one or two, but that's about it.

 

[Male Idiot]

Not true. Some Dark-Side organizations have no backstabbing, like Desann's Reborn and the Disciples of Ragnos. Some eras have the Sith Empire show surprising amounts of cooperation and harmony, like the 1300-year Sith Empire that flourished in exile while the Republic was fighting Sith pretenders who usually came from Dark Jedi ranks. They only started stabbing each other in the back again once they started winning battles against the Republic.

I prefer the old republic yin yang approach. After all, life makes the Force and what happens when baby turtles gets hatched is a TMNT-caust. But that is just my personal taste.

As for the Sith Empire, they had an Empire to upkeep, a more rigid order and a lot more Sith. They were more akin to Jedi in organisation except wielding governmental power, and they had their own civilisation. So they had the same stability as the later Galactic Empire.

The Rule of 2 made them into ruthless, rootless cosmopolitans and encouraged backstabbing, shadowy dealings.

The Rule of Two and its consequences had been a disaster for the Pureblood race.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I prefer the old republic yin yang approach. After all, life makes the Force and what happens when baby turtles gets hatched is a TMNT-caust. But that is just my personal taste.

Me too. It's just more balanced and a lot more consistent with everything in the films and the EU. Especially when what passes for good and virtuous in SW fucks up a lot. As in, they make Gandalf the Grey look like a 5D chessmaster. Excessively demonizing the Sith and the Dark Side just looks silly when a lot of the problems in Star Wars were caused by Jedi inaction and idiocy.

As for the Sith Empire, they had an Empire to upkeep, a more rigid order and a lot more Sith. They were more akin to Jedi in organisation except wielding governmental power, and they had their own civilisation. So they had the same stability as the later Galactic Empire.

It depends. When they were in hiding, they were more stable, but once they revealed themselves, they went back to stabbing each other in the back.

The Rule of 2 made them into ruthless, rootless cosmopolitans and encouraged backstabbing, shadowy dealings.

That, and vulnerable, too. In ROTJ, one Sith changing his mind and killing his master, while dying in the process, doomed the entire order. Just imagine if someone sabotaged a shuttle that Vader and Palpatine were on. There'd be no more Sith. Granted, their Dark Jedi minions would rush to anoint themselves as Sith, but that's not the same as a real, fully-trained Sith Lord who earned the title of Darth.

The Rule of Two and its consequences had been a disaster for the Pureblood race.

I'm sure the Rule of Two was invented long after the pureblood Sith were wiped out.

 

[Male Idiot]

Well, about a 1000 years after swtor, which had plenty of them around.

While you can argue Palpatine would sense a bomb rigged shuttle, still not a great plan. Imagine if a young Sidious went up to a veteran Yoda.

 

[el bandito loco]

so just because I explained how I saw TFA in theaters and had a weird experience where I was stoned enough I literally saw it opening night for the weird corporate focus tested remake of a new hope but bigger that it was, I figured I'd also tell you all the story of the time I saw (kinda) TLJ too because it's pretty funny.

Spoiler: preamble and context

so one of the dudes I saw TFA with, also hated it and in the car he asked me why I wandered out and what I thought of it. I told him we essentially paid to watch mickey mouse masterbate onto us as an audience and I left before the cumshot which I assumed was a trench run and blowing up the death star again (it was) and we spent the ride home convincing the other people in the car we just got ripped off hard. he told me this funny story how essentially I was very close to being exactly like this dude when phantom menace came out, he walked out 6 years old or whatever proclaiming it the best star wars movie yet and some 20 something nerd told his little ass he was flat wrong it was the single worst movie ever made and he was 6 and a retard for thinking otherwise lol. I didn't do that but if I had stayed most likely would have had a similar interaction with some poor kid in the theater lobby, its like poetry. It rhymes.

when I still had a Facebook after Force Awakens I made a post that was a list of shit The Last Jedi could do to get me back and make me care. In a wild move from Ruin Johnson he did my ENTIRE list and the movie still fucking sucked. I guess he must have been my Facebook friend or something. The list was Rey's a nobody, kylo kills snoke to basically one up Vader and be a better Vader he can't be redeemed and is the big bad, force ghost Yoda should be with luke, Luke Skywalker should 1v1 a gigantic vehicle of some type, and Leia should have a huge using the Force moment. He did all of this terribly and with entirely different motivations than I wanted for all of it. Rey being a nobody was the only one done okay. Kylo did not kill smoke to be better than Vader, Yoda does nothing worth a fuck, Luke Skywalker faced an ATAT in a gay suicide and Leia flew like superman in space in the gayest moment in science fantasy history.

so anyways I fell for the bait because my childhood hero Luke fucking Skywalker was coming back. me and two of the dudes I saw TFA with bought midnight release tickets at one of those theaters that doesn't have seats but instead couches (this will factor in later and we didn't know) on the way there I bought a 30 pack of cheap beer and packed it in my coat which was hilarious because I'm 6'1 and like 140/50 pounds. slightly taller than average not much and not fat but I looked like a walking barrel with twig legs smuggling in all that beer lol.

we walk in to a packed theater to realize to our horror there are no normal seats only couches so my buddy and I are in the back sharing one, and my other poor friend had to share a couch with a total stranger. it was especially funny because we found our seats and he's a big fat guy and he was sharing his small couch with another even FATTER guy it was hilarious.

so I'm passing beer out to my two friends and the dude my friend was stuck with was this fat ass frat boy guy and he asked for one and I was like here dude sure no way am I going to drink 27 beers in the next two hours. so the lights go down, the loud ass theater quiets, everybody shuts the fuck up. Disney logo, Lucasfilm logo. then, it happens.

The fat guy next to my fat friend let's out the LOUDEST fucking fart in history and it is never ending. It seems like an eternity, its echoing through the theater. It lasted like 3 fucking minutes and petered out with like a squeak. The very second this fart ended DUN DUN DUNNN the star wars logo appeared with the john Williams music and I don't think I've ever laughed harder it was the most perfect timing I have ever seen. The whole theater was in shock. It was amazing.

anyways the movie starts, it sucks. Quarter way through I drank myself to sleep. My buddy swears up and down that when Yoda shows up I woke up and said "master yoda..?" And went back to sleep which is hilarious but I doubt that happened. I slept for about the middle 40 minutes during the boring ass casino planet and woke up for the last hour and was disgusted by it.

anyways when its over we're leaving and the fat fart guy is walking with us and I'm giving him the last few beers in my coat and he's like "I warned everyone you know" and we were like what are you talking about? And he said "about the movie. It was one long fart." I think about that guy every single day.

As a post script I went and saw it sober the next day to see the whole movie and ill never forgive myself for giving Disney my money twice for that garbage.

 

[Mr. 0]

I bought a 30 pack of cheap beer and packed it in my coat which was hilarious because I'm 6'1 and like 140/50 pounds. slightly taller than average not much and not fat but I looked like a walking barrel with twig legs smuggling in all that beer lol.

we walk in to a packed theater to realize to our horror there are no normal seats only couches so my buddy and I are in the back sharing one, and my other poor friend had to share a couch with a total stranger. it was especially funny because we found our seats and he's a big fat guy and he was sharing his small couch with another even FATTER guy it was hilarious.

so I'm passing beer out to my two friends and the dude my friend was stuck with was this fat ass frat boy guy and he asked for one and I was like here dude sure no way am I going to drink 27 beers in the next two hours. so the lights go down, the loud ass theater quiets, everybody shuts the fuck up. Disney logo, Lucasfilm logo. then, it happens.

The fat guy next to my fat friend let's out the LOUDEST fucking fart in history and it is never ending. It seems like an eternity, its echoing through the theater. It lasted like 3 fucking minutes and petered out with like a squeak. The very second this fart ended DUN DUN DUNNN the star wars logo appeared with the john Williams music and I don't think I've ever laughed harder it was the most perfect timing I have ever seen. The whole theater was in shock. It was amazing.

anyways the movie starts, it sucks. Quarter way through I drank myself to sleep. My buddy swears up and down that when Yoda shows up I woke up and said "master yoda..?" And went back to sleep which is hilarious but I doubt that happened. I slept for about the middle 40 minutes during the boring ass casino planet and woke up for the last hour and was disgusted by it.

anyways when its over we're leaving and the fat fart guy is walking with us and I'm giving him the last few beers in my coat and he's like "I warned everyone you know" and we were like what are you talking about? And he said "about the movie. It was one long fart." I think about that guy every single day.

oh my god

 

[el bandito loco]

@Mr. 0 I swear on my own life that happened and it was the single funniest thing of my entire life. I'd literally give anything to have the DVD or blue ray release have a an audio track with that fart between the logos leading up to the start of the movie it was funny on a primordial level I could never explain it you werent there

one long fart. I've thought about this description of the movie for years now and this drunk retarded frat boy was almost prophetic in his analysis

 

[Male Idiot]

That fatso sounds better entertainment than disney movies all right!

 

[el bandito loco]

That fatso sounds better entertainment than disney movies all right!

my fat buddy who sat with him gave him his number and from what I've been told they're legitimately friends. they get drunk together and harass our local Wendy's. I'd like to hangout with them if nothing else tor closure on the funniest moment of my adult life but I also don't have the time lol

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Well, about a 1000 years after swtor, which had plenty of them around.

New Sith Wars probably saw an end to that. 1000 years of war which began 1700 years after SWTOR.

While you can argue Palpatine would sense a bomb rigged shuttle, still not a great plan. Imagine if a young Sidious went up to a veteran Yoda.

Indeed. Or imagine Plagueis and Sidious get involved in a freak hyperspace accident. The Sith Order would disappear overnight.

I remember a fanfilm where Vader tried to get an old Jedi friend of his to join him in killing Palpatine, saying that he'll replace Palpatine as Emperor, while he'll give this Jedi Master the right to lead a Sith council. And there's the fact that in canon, Vader had a Starkiller clone, Lord Hethrir, and Lumiya as his apprentices. Dude did not respect the Rule of Two and was more than happy to throw it away.

 

[GilaCutter]

Short version: No. The loss of the EU was never worth anything that Disney brought to the table. At best you get shittier versions of the EU works. At worst you get shit like Doctor Aphra. Avoid.

It's like fishing the dumpster in the back of the fastfood restaurant for a hamburger instead of going in and just fucking buying one.

 

[el bandito loco]

It's like fishing the dumpster in the back of the fastfood restaurant for a hamburger instead of going in and just fucking buying one.

I guess I was just hoping now we're like 10 years in there might be SOMETHING worth looking at. Although I grew up obsessed w legends I'm fine with shit not fitting into it if it's good.

I didn't care Disney rebooted the EU, Lucas was going to do it with his sequels anyway and that piece of shit clone war show had already raped the mandolorians and the clone war multimedia project into dust before that.

My issue is they rebooted the EU and replaced it with inferior material and then ripped it off poorly in their shitty movies!

most fans hated Legacy of the Force. I liked it but I was a kid when it was coming out, ill argue its merits anyways because I think it's a pretty good deconstruction and critique of the prequels. Darth Cadeus is Anakin again but it makes more sense. the sequels were Jania and Jacen but horrible. They assassinated Han Solo beyond repair before they killed him. Luke instead of the grandmaster Jedi was a suicidal faggot who learned absolutely dick and repeated the mistakes of the Jedi before him and somehow fucked shit up even worse than they did before he even had an order to speak of.

they concluded their trilogy with dark empire if it sucked. And dark empire was never particularly good to begin with. I hoped by now maybe there'd be a couple of good books, but no. In 10 years they've shit out 70 books and none of them are worth a fuck. it's a shame.

 

[Flaming Carrot]

George Lucas has lost his mind since his divorce. From there it was just him treading water or completely drowning in his personal and professional life. If his ex-wife ever wrote a tell all style book she could ruin him permanently. Which at this point would be hilarious if not justified. He's clearly still pathetically bitter of his ex-wife shaming him over the divorce and taking probably $100million from him. I think she married the guy who helped build their home so Lucas had seen the guy every day for months or years building his giant mega ranch.

To this day he refuses to release the original unaltered theatrical trilogy on modern formats out of his rage against Marcia Lucas. I just cannot fathom any other reason for him to be so psychotically against people enjoying the versions that they saw in the theaters originally.

He's always claimed that the special editions were his original vision. If he was really that bitter about the changes, he would have put all the footage with Biggs back in. And maybe George hates Marcia, but she seems pretty modest about her contributions to the movies and has been incredibly blunt about how terrible the sequels are, specifically blaming Kathleen Kennedy and J.J. Abrams. I'm not sure how difficult the divorce was, but she still has a great deal of respect for George Lucas' artistic accomplishments.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Short version: No. The loss of the EU was never worth anything that Disney brought to the table. At best you get shittier versions of the EU works. At worst you get shit like Doctor Aphra. Avoid.

I'll defend the old EU until the bitter end. I don't care If "Most of it was crap." What it represented was a Limitless playground for writers and authors to be creative and implement their own ideas for Star Wars. That's freedom and Disney quite simply can't allow that.

 

[el bandito loco]

I'll defend the old EU until the bitter end. I don't care If "Most of it was crap." What it represented was a Limitless playground for writers and authors to be creative and implement their own ideas for Star Wars. That's freedom and Disney quite simply can't allow that.

I at least definitely wasn't saying most of it sucked. I love it. my star wars isn't even the movies it's probably New Jedi Order. Even if you hate the EU it's fucking retarded not to let it continue in some form. most of those authors would probably do it for the fucking low just to continue writing in that world.

 

[el bandito loco]

double post but as a side note before I forget the other funny thing the flatulent fan I saw TLJ with did was yell NOOOOOOO not ADMIRAL FUCKING AKBAR! THESE FAGGOTS KILLED ADMIRAL FUCKING AKBAR!!! when they killed him which inherently was funny to me some drunk dude who looked like a stunt double for John Belushi in Animal House was heartbroken they killed off admiral ackbar in a scene so unmemorable the only reason I remember it was his outburst in the theater. I wouldn't even know who the fuck admiral ackbar was if not for the x-wing novels but this dude was more upset they killed that fishy fuck than he was when Luke Skywalker committed suicide in the end of the movie

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Oh, nice, all this EU talk means I can finally drop this.

To the surprise of absolutely nobody, Hasbro has added a deluxe, $99.99 4-Pack Action Figure Set based off of the Thrawn Trilogy, featuring Luke, Mara Jade, Joruus C'Baoth and the Clone of Luke, all featured in the final book, Last Command.

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This is hot off the heels of their 2023 release of a con-exclusive Force Unleashed box, featuring Starkiller in the Black Series scale for the first time--after nearly seven years of fans rabidly stuffing the polls to get a new figure of him released. and routinely losing to Disney Slop characters like Aphra.

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You gotta love how the Merchandising Wing is the one department of this shithouse company that remembers that the EU exists. Which, frankly, might be a blessing in disguise.

do any of you autists know if there is anything worth half of a fuck to read in mickey mouse canon? I got excited because John Jackson Miller is coming back to do a book of the Phantom Menace Jedi Council on an adventure, which I'm going to buy.

I'm going to be brutally honest with you--long before I ever got into the Expanded Universe, and I was still clinging to fumes of cope that all hope was not lost following the release of The Force Awakens, I spent something like three or four years following the first initial run of Disney-canon books and comics. And let me tell you here and now---regardless of how bad the new movies, cartoons, and Disney Plus shows are, I can definitively say that the books and comics are easily the worst part of Disney Star Wars, and hastened my switch to the EU once I realized the canon material was never going to improve.

Six years later, and I'm still right. Forget about being bad...this shit is unreadable. Del Rey severed all of their contracts with specialty tie-in authors in the same vein of the previous decade of EU novels (many of which still enjoy a healthy career writing books in universes like Halo and Warcraft), and instead went with a horde of Literally-Who YA novelists who bend the continuity for the sake of misguided creative impulses with arguably more frequency than either Abrams or Johnson. And the comics are in an arguably worse state, since on top of having butt-ugly art by the likes of serial tracer Salvador Larocca, they also recycle the creative assembly line of writers from generic capeshit for Marvel comics...so basically, all the people who already stank up classic characters like Spider-Man and the X-Men, now inflicting their cringe-tier writing on the Star Wars Universe.

I've gone over examples multiple times, but the most recent example I can think of is Crimson Empire, Charles Soule's disastrous follow-up to crossover drivel War of the Bounty Hunters, in which Han 'ss Block=Of-Wood Ex-Girlfriend from Solo: A Star Wars Story wages a one-woman crusade against the Empire between ESB and ROTJ, depicted as being able to compete with Darth Vader in single combat, and outfoxing and outmaneuvering Palpatine to the point of girlbossing him over hologram....and for all of her effort, still loses, and laments that she's the unsung hero of the Rebel Alliance cause.

This is all following the recent novels, such as Sam Maggs' Jedi Battlescars, in which the author literally used a background character from Fallen Order to fulfill a self-insert lesbian slashfic romance, replete with a scene where they have physically-violent sex in Cal Kestis' bunk aboard the ship (yes, really).

So, yeah, if that sounds appealing to you, go for it. You'll be just in time for High Republic finalizing its third phase of multimedia.

Short version: No. The loss of the EU was never worth anything that Disney brought to the table. At best you get shittier versions of the EU works. At worst you get shit like Doctor Aphra. Avoid.

That reminds me--Doctor Aphra isn't currently in publication, as of January 2024. Apparently, replacement writer Alyssa Wong fucked off to go write Captain Marvel fulltime (which is somehow now a quality downgrade from the abysmal Kelly Thompson run, which just ended its dismal 4-year run).

So now, Aphra is no longer stinking up the Bottom 50 of the Monthly Comic Sales List. I'm sure all five of the sad assholes on the r/StarWarsComic Subreddit are just weeping into their polybagged copies of High Republic: The Blade Part II.

I'll defend the old EU until the bitter end. I don't care If "Most of it was crap." What it represented was a Limitless playground for writers and authors to be creative and implement their own ideas for Star Wars. That's freedom and Disney quite simply can't allow that.

You know, I hear that "most of it is crap" line waxed about relentlessly by naysayers online, and in true ambiguous fashion, they can never provide an exact ratio of good-to-bad books, or good-to-bad comics. And whenever you press these people on the books they've read, and the actual nature of those books, they suddenly retreat into vague, ambiguous gibbering, revealing very quickly that their entire knowledge of the EU is informed by lore videos and Wookiepedo articles.

Shocker.