Disaster "Mass casualty incident" declared after Key Bridge in Baltimore collapses

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No article yet as this just happened, but could be big. One of the largest bridges in the world according to Wikipedia.


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Maritime job placement company BalticShipping shows the captain of the container ship is a Ukrainian.
He allegedly only worked on the ship during 2016.
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There's no confirmation that he was present during this incident and unless I'm mistaken the site could well simply be listing previous known personnel. My money's still on "entirely 'jeet-run".
 
He allegedly only worked on the ship during 2016.
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There's no confirmation that he was present during this incident and unless I'm mistaken the site could well simply be listing previous known personnel.
Thanks for clearing that up. I will edit.

What a load of horseshit.
Do you have specific knowledge that this is horseshit?

Seems plausible.

The EPA mandates 10% corn-derived ethanol in our car gasoline, and I have to drive an extra fifteen miles to buy specialty ethanol-free gasoline for my generator, otherwise it gums up the carborator and completely fails.

EPA has adopted exhaust emission standards for marine diesel engines installed in a variety of marine vessels ranging in size and application from small recreational vessels to tugboats and large ocean-going vessels.

Domestic Regulations for Emissions from Marine Compression-ignition (Diesel) Engines

 
There were no tugs here
There were tugs but they left before it went under the bridge. There’s a tracking map of them further back somewhere
my first thought would be that a ship service gen shit the bed, leading to a loss of control, panic, pants-shitting, and so on.
Informative, thank you. Do I remember rightly that you service/maintain ferries for a living? The boat looks like it chucks out a load of black smoke just before it hits - is that them panicking and caning it ?
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Anyway, why were there no tugboats when this ship was leaving the port?
As above - there were tugs but they left earlier than the bridge.
One obvious thing would be to have a method of evacuating repair crews on the roadway within x amount of time, eg a need to always be within x metres of a vehicle capable of loading people on and getting the fuck off the roadway within a few minutes, and some kind of alarm that tells them to do that. And drill people on it too.
I’m also surprised they do t have like artificial islands around the piers - the bridge I cross sometimes don’t either.
 
It is the largest RO-RO port on the east coast and the majority of euro cars are imported through it.
Cars are at least expensive goods, they can buy capacity and shit them over by train (unless all capacity is spoke for). Where you're really getting fucked is Walmart containers filled with bargain basement plastic shit, they ain't paying a hairy dollar more on those pieces of crap (they already pay less to be the containers on the outside which are most likely to fall off in a storm).
She has never been identified and didn't even get a slap on the wrist.
Sounds like she probably was getting and giving other slaps on other body parts at the time.
So If the accident is the fault of human error and not some sort of malfunction can someone get the death penalty
Error? No. Deliberate, intentional sabatoge? Probably not even then. It would have to be an act of treason or some shit.

As for the fuel thing, it's probably not related but it is annoying as fuck; boats carry the nasty burning shit and "cleaner fuel" and operate on cleaner fuel near shore. In fact, the black belch of smoke may have been the engine room trying to switch over to another fuel source because maybe they fucking forgot to top off the tanks or some shit, who knows. We'll find out later.

Also those damn engines don't just stop and start like your car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9bQ0rFMN_s

Hot start might be faster but still, it's not easy. You usually have to start smaller engines to start the bigger ones.
 
At the very least expect some kind of debate over what the name should be when the bridge is being reconstructed or a new one is built.
Well...it probably won't have the same design and would be an entirely different bridge, so as convenient the opportunity is, I won't fault them for naming it something else unless they name it after a criminal like George Floyd.
 
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I'm going to power level. I used to work on those sorts of ships, big crude oil carriers too, as an engineering officer. There are 4 engineers typically depending on ship size, 3rd/2nd/1st/chief. Chief does nothing, so 3. Same for "deckies" who sit on the bridge, rest are basically labourers who have no real responsibility, they do as they are told.

You would be amazed how much machinery there is to maintain on a ship. As well as propulsion, there's a power grid, huge boiler for steam, accommodation systems like sewage, air con etc, huge tanks with many thousands of cubic meters of oil and other bad shit, I could go on for pages. It's a lot of work for 3 people, no matter how clever they are.

Indians, without a doubt, are some of the most incompetent, lazy, yet deluded engineers I've ever met. I've met one or two good ones, these were exceptions. They get through marine school by memorising books and plagiarising, get a qualification, then believe they are engineering wizards.

The worst thing is if they ever fuck up a machine or something they will never admit it, priority 1 is keeping it quiet. Or just can't figure out how to fix something so find a way to get around it, badly. Filipinos fucking hate them. Flips are the other overrepresented nationality at sea, but I'd much rather be on a ship full of flips than Indians (I've done both).

I have no doubt that engine room was completely fucked if it was an all Indian crew. One company I worked for made a point of always having a British captain and chief engineer, sometimes 1st/2nds too, if the ship was to be crewed by mainly Indians or Filipinos. Just to make sure there were at least some sort of standards, that maintenance was happening, etc.

This has happened because Indians and Filipinos are so much cheaper than Americans or in my case, bongs. The running costs of an all US crewed ship is insane compared to hiring a ship full of Indians. So gradually costs have been driven down, more company profit, hire cheaper crew.

This isn't because of diversity, it's because people who work in offices who make these decisions are not connected with reality. They really think Pajeet's engineering officer qualification, which can basically be bought in India with the right money, is the same as a time served and qualified American engineer. I'm not saying all westerners are good at it either, retards come in all colours, but you have a much reduced chance of incidents like this with suitably qualified people who don't come from a culture like India's.

Many such cases, sad
 
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Anyway, why were there no tugboats when this ship was leaving the port?
There were tugs, they cut line about ten minutes before the collision. Apparently it was ok for pilot only maneuvering through the bridge. No tugs required to go under bridge. This will probably be changed now. Tug boats would have prevented this accident but their services aren’t cheap.

I wonder how long after the tugs cut line the power failed on the ship?
 
There were tugs, they cut line about ten minutes before the collision. Apparently it was ok for pilot only maneuvering through the bridge. No tugs required to go under bridge. This will probably be changed now. Tug boats would have prevented this accident but their services aren’t cheap.

I wonder how long after the tugs cut line the power failed on the ship?
The process has been fine since the bridge went up. Only thing that has changed is the competence of the people onboard that ship.
 
Thanks for clearing that up. I will edit.


Do you have specific knowledge that this is horseshit?

Seems plausible.

The EPA mandates 10% corn-derived ethanol in our car gasoline, and I have to drive an extra fifteen miles to buy specialty ethanol-free gasoline for my generator, otherwise it gums up the carborator and completely fails.

EPA has adopted exhaust emission standards for marine diesel engines installed in a variety of marine vessels ranging in size and application from small recreational vessels to tugboats and large ocean-going vessels.

Domestic Regulations for Emissions from Marine Compression-ignition (Diesel) Engines

For fucks sake. It's easy enough to find out. Some fucking twat comes on here stating that the fuel was changed and this caused the incident. And you buy that without even a questioning? You'd think with thousands and thousands of ships every day in US waters suddenly having their power go off from their "government mandated secret fuel" that this would be a pretty well known issue.

I mean come on. Do you see Diesel SUVs and trucks stalling?

And they say this is the cause with what evidence? None whatsoever.

The lower sulphur emissions standards that take effect (IIRC) take effect when within 200 nautical miles of the United States given that Marine Diesel was responsible for a staggering amount of air pollution. There is no issue with lower sulphur emission Diesel not working and engines globally were (IIRC) supposed to be up to code 4 years ago.

And none of this has anything to do with back-up systems and a slew of other systems in a ship.

Some twat, without a shred of proof, without knowing what caused the outage, merely blames a fuel they can not name or give a reason why it would stall and destroy a ships power plant and people buy it?
 
Every ship leaving or entering a harbor is required to have a local harbor pilot at the helm.

A lot of people don’t seem to understand how cargo ships get in or out of ports. Here’s a video about pilot in Baltimore/Chesapeake Bay.
https://youtu.be/LEJnmLAGFnY?feature=shared
There’s an about 70 pilots working the harbor, 30 on duty at any time. They work a month on and a month off. Years of training, It’s a dangerous job, just due constantly to boarding and disembarking moving ships. But a great pilot can’t do shit if he can’t steer the ship due to electrical failure.
Can also confirm what you said about the pilots. They just don't let anybody become a shipping pilot. Usually shipping pilots are former Navy and Coast Guard captains. The tests are also demanding. Shipping pilots only let the best of the best into their ranks. Most people are taking the test to become pilots flunk out. However, when it comes to time off, at least here in the Pacific Northwest the time off a pilot two weeks on two weeks off with every six months or so they get a month long break.
 
Some twat, without a shred of proof, without knowing what caused the outage, merely blames a fuel they can not name or give a reason why it would stall and destroy a ships power plant and people buy it?
As much as this fucking physically pains me, I agree with your outrage. The cause of this whole incident was made clear the moment it was discovered it was an all Indian crew. People, this isn't hard, Indians and electricity do not mix and they're the single least competent ethnicity on the planet. They just choose a spectacularly poor moment to do the needful and fuck the ship's electrical grid.

We're talking about a country that fucked up a $2 Billion dollar submarine because the dock workers left a hatch open and no one checked.
 
The boat looks like it chucks out a load of black smoke just before it hits - is that them panicking and caning it ?
That looked very much like a full power astern pant shitting manoeuvre. Like the “what’s going on with shipping” guy hinted at, it’s possible the actions taken by the pilot compounded the problem compared to just letting it drift, although no doubt he was doing the best he could in the circumstances.
 
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