Ask Moids Questions Thread - Opposite version of the femoid advice thread

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So, if you're a man who feels weird about too much money being spent on you or if you get squirrelly about receiving things that are "too nice", I would appreciate hearing from you. Can you elaborate about how you feel when your spouse or partner buys something for you that you would find too expensive to buy for yourself, even if it's something you really need?
I want you to know that I read your post but I'm too neurotic in this specific regard for my opinion to be anything but poison so I'll just say +1 to having a conversation about it. Communication is everything.
I also have no non-poison answers but I'm not gonna let it stop me. Remember this is purely hypothetical:
Items I have purchased for myself need only be maintained to my standards, I can treat them as roughly or as poorly as I want and be secure in the knowledge that I'm the only person in the world who will care. If I break something I bought that's my bag and mine alone.
Have to worry more about gifts, not just because I've attached some sentimental value based on who's given it to me but also because the person in question might catch some sort of feeling if they see me treating their gift as roughly as I treat my own crap.
And if it's something more expensive than I'd normally buy for myself and I end up liking it/wanting to buy more, you've just gifted me a new money sink. Thanks I guess.
 
All of the answers have provided food for thought, so I have a follow-up. It seems like a lot of men are indifferent to gifts, even useful ones. I think some of it comes from a perception that appreciation of the aesthetic or the "finer things" is somehow unmasculine.

No, it's because we tend to look at gifts almost entirely through the lens of whether or not it fulfilled an unmet need. Once you have your own money, gifts just don't matter so much. And the whole deal of appreciating that someone got you something extra-pretty is womanish. Manbrain just goes, "huh."

Can you elaborate about how you feel when your spouse or partner buys something for you that you would find too expensive to buy for yourself, even if it's something you really need?

Here's how I feel: "Why did you waste my money on designer jeans when Wranglers are just fine?"

Is there a way a spouse or partner could make you less uncomfortable with being pampered a little?

There's a chicken dish my wife makes that is really time-consuming, and I really, really like it. I appreciate it when she makes it for me. So I guess, for me, I appreciate food. If I can think of things my wife did that I remember fondly, they pretty much all involve food.

I guess as far as gifts go, a nice bottle of whisky would be a lot more appreciated than a very nice necktie or watch or something.
 
No, it's because we tend to look at gifts almost entirely through the lens of whether or not it fulfilled an unmet need. Once you have your own money, gifts just don't matter so much. And the whole deal of appreciating that someone got you something extra-pretty is womanish. Manbrain just goes, "huh."

Here's how I feel: "Why did you waste my money on designer jeans when Wranglers are just fine?"

There's a chicken dish my wife makes that is really time-consuming, and I really, really like it. I appreciate it when she makes it for me. So I guess, for me, I appreciate food. If I can think of things my wife did that I remember fondly, they pretty much all involve food.

I guess as far as gifts go, a nice bottle of whisky would be a lot more appreciated than a very nice necktie or watch or something.
I recall a time when a girl was asking me about what gift she should get for a guy she liked and I told her to give him cash and let him decide. She whined that it would be unthoughtful or some shit like that. I guess it could be weird. But seriously, if you don't know, you might as well get him anything, or get him cash and let him decide. Booze might have worked, but we were too young back then.

This was also before gaming gear became mainstream. I don't even know what this guy is like and I don't know what became of her quest.
 
The best gifts are the one that show you care a lot about the person.
It's not about the gift.
Here's a few example of great gifts I gave (if you allow me to suck my own cock)

When I was younger, my mom and I were walking around the fleet market. She looked at some pretty earings and then changed her mind saying she did not have the money on her. I came back later, bought the exact earing and then gifted it to her for her birthday.

One of my colleagues is pregnant and she mentioned once she loved Pixar. I bought her some unisex mister incredible themed baby clothes.

When I was in the military (1 year mandatory service) the boys in my room would laugh at my imitation sheen Garfield boxer. They seriously told me they looked comfortable Af tho. I had a ton of them, I washed them all thoroughly, wrapped them and then gifted them to my roommates for Christmas. It was a really fun, cheeky gift that they all appreciated. It's also so inexpensive that no one would feel bad about receiving it.

I get the problem with finding something for some people. My brother can pretty much buy anything on Amazon, does not like food and he cancel the transfer everytime I buy him a game on steam because he wants to wait for it to become cheaper.
 
Not a woman, but I do have a Moid Question. How come so few of you put real effort into presenting yourselves? Don't get me wrong, I envy that you can leave the house wearing just a graphic T-shirt and cargo shorts and not give a shit about how others perceive you -- it's just odd that women are expected to fancy themselves up for men and not the other way round.

What's the hold up? Is it considered gay to care too much about that stuff? Do most men legitimately not think about it? Am I being ignorant?
i just don't care what other people think of me or how i look, and i prioritize my own comfort. though to be fair, i also don't expect "women to fancy themselves up" and prefer tomboys. my wife is a jeans, t shirt and no make up (not light make up, no make up, unless you count chapstick in the fall and winter) kind of woman. comfort > the thoughts of strangers who we will never see again
 
Do men really like those weird botox and filler faces with comically oversized Bratz doll lips or is that just women trying to out-augment each other?
No.
I honestly believe this stems from gay men being the face of beauty industry, women trying to imitate how gays do their makeup, how gays have more pronounced cheeks, eyelashes and lips and how gays are often the ones pushing plastic surgery.
Women who do this idea women is not even a women it's a sassy gay man.
There's an interesting lesson here. The reason gay men do that is because they're signaling that they aggressively want men to have sex with them, and I mean in a simple undifferentiated porno way. When women imitate this, it's not for the same reason. This is what that aesthetic is supposed to also signal for women, but they either don't understand this or don't mean it authentically.

If you'd never at least fantasize about opening a gloryhole, you should leave the whore aesthetics to the professionals (men). Otherwise it'll just make men resent you for misleading them, or pity you for being too dumb or naïve to understand. This applies beyond plastic surgery to clothing etc.

All of the answers have provided food for thought, so I have a follow-up

I know my own partner hates it when I spend any money on frivolous things for him.

So, if you're a man who feels weird about too much money being spent on you
Whose money is it? That's the biggest question. If you guys pool your money, and you're effectively buying him stuff—with his money—that he wouldn't have on his own, that's a very different dynamic than if you keep separate bank accounts. Even then, I'd wonder if this is a thing about being comfortable with certain gestures vs. just being concerned about frugality (especially depending on your financial situation).

Personally, I'm of the opinion that more expensive =/= better gesture. My main thought when receiving a gesture would be how well it shows that I'm understood. That follows into my next point, which is about your original question:

To me, the most important thing as far as love goes is to be actively understood. That's what these men mean by "showing (preferably genuine) interest in their deeper interests" etc, although I don't know if the method they're describing is the best way to achieve the effect they're looking for with a woman.

Collaboration and competition over shared interests—in a deeper than casual way, where it's a real passion—is how men connect amongst themselves. It's how they demonstrate their talents and inner particularities to one another. I don't know if that's really how women are meant to interface with men.

Male Fraternal Praxeological Attraction:

Men are very outwardly-oriented creatures. They tend not to really make the intuitive connection between the outward world and their inward world. They don't think about the link between the aesthetic of what they're pursuing, and the isomorphic corresponding potency within themselves that allows and motivates them to engage and succeed in that pursuit. They don't understand that the things they love are a holographic projection of themselves, and that a woman might prefer the source over the projection.

This is why poets all come off as at least a little gay—their job is to connect those dots. Men love each other fraternally for the same reason that women love men romantically—the difference is that men see it as "Oh, cool. This guy gets it." The man always conceptualizes it as a mutual interest in a third thing that's located out in the macrocosm, rather than in something within the microcosm of the other guy. At most, such as in a mentorship relationship, it's something that comes through the other guy from the macrocosm. Masculine intercommunion is praxeological rather than physical.

The emotions might even be many of the same ones as in a romantic relationship, but they're never understood, mentally categorized, or expressed in that way. The medium of the interaction is always the outer world.

The only exception is religious worship of a figure taken to be the source of the macrocosm, who Himself is understood to project the universe into being in the same kind of holographic fashion. Ordinary hero-worship doesn't even count, as the fantasy there is usually to play the big game with the guy—religious worship, on the other hand, involves a direct personal communion of the deity (the microcosm-as-source-of-macrocosm). In many religions, such as Christianity, this is even a physical (although non-sexual in this case) communion as well as a spiritual one.

Applications for Women:

While not impossible, there are a lot of difficulties women obviously would run into with the praxeological mode of interfacing with men. The first one is that it's very difficult for women to compete with men in many areas—most especially those that are physical. Women might also have trouble—even if they're otherwise very intelligent—with locking into that pure sportsmanship "autism mindset" that men get into when they compete or collaborate. This is a necessary precondition for pure focus on the external pursuit: you can't let natural embeddedness in your social context get in the way of the goal. It's also, in many men's minds, the purest expression of "himself": a faceless amalgam of talents in their fullest mode of exercise.

This is why nobody likes playing board games with "the girlfriend". She could be twice as good at the game as everyone else, but can't leave her social embeddedness off of the board. The boyfriend goes easy on her, she responds poorly to being ganged up on, and the pursuit of the "perfect game" goes on a rain-check until she's gone. Are all women like this? Of course not—but practically no men are. Autism is the opposite problem, where men have trouble embedding their minds in the social fabric even when it'd be appropriate. They're stuck in game-mode (and can wind up spending days writing long screeds such as this one on forums).

It's obviously not totally impossible for women to do it too, though, and women are blessed to be able to have both the physical and praxeological modes of interface as options. For men, it's really just the praxeological mode plus a bunch of hideous and self-destructive non-options—in fact, the "options" are so bad that the people who go for them are often ones that due to some weakness or personality defect are unable to participate in the praxeological mode.
 
There's an interesting lesson here.
There's an interesting idea by ???: why are young women working menial jobs at fast food restaurants more attractive than the already rich young actresses/musicians the media pushes as beautiful+marginalized+discriminated?

And now there's the buccal fat removal trend that not a single straight male finds attractive or appealing...
 
There's an interesting idea by ???: why are young women working menial jobs at fast food restaurants more attractive than the already rich young actresses/musicians the media pushes as beautiful+marginalized+discriminated?

And now there's the buccal fat removal trend that not a single straight male finds attractive or appealing...
Nepotism
 
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