Disaster "Mass casualty incident" declared after Key Bridge in Baltimore collapses

No article yet as this just happened, but could be big. One of the largest bridges in the world according to Wikipedia.


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Except I am a right winger :^)
The only people happy about importing niggers are left wing retards

But do you think people deserve to die because of their geographic location?
Do you think people deserve my way of living without contributing to the society we all uphold?
Life isn't a right, rights were made by people. If your from Africa or Haiti, you have no rights.
Nope.

No, but you're probably just happy that white women are raped by niggers, period.
Dude just uses nothing but mental gymnastics

"You don't like illegal immigration? Oh you think people deserve to die"

No, were saying they don't deserve our money or homes.
I wish the people saying this shit would house them, I'm tired of my taxes increasing because of it. You want them? Take care of them
 
Tim is a tug boat captain that moves around refueling barges up and down the east coast. He normally makes videos of working barges, so it's not the highest quality video he's done, but he's definitely a subject matter expert
His thoughts:
  • Nothing short of a tractor escort tug tied off to the stern would have stopped the Dali
  • Even one of those purpose built tugs, like those used to escort tankers and LNG carriers, may not have had a enough time to prevent allision
  • Any requirements for tug escort would need to extend beyond the Chesapeake Bay Bride to the Baltimore anchorage.
  • Fixed pitch, direct drive, low speed diesel ships struggle to cruise slower than 6 knots
  • Reversing a right-hand prop causes a veer to starboard
A properly sized escort tug may have been able to keep the Dali away from the bridge pillars through indirect towing.
Tractor escort tugs are the water based equivalent of a heavy lift helicopter and as far as I know they only escort tankers and LNG carriers. A normal twin screw tug is capsizing 2 seconds after it turns sideways.

In other fun news, I had an Oh Fuck moment. On top of the euro cars that come through the RORO docks, 2% of the ports total tonnage is large equipment imports. The largest unit volume being John Deere's Mannheim tractors. Deere ships powertrain components to the plant in Mannheim, Germany and ships 6 series tractors back. 60% of tractors built in Germany are from Deere's Mannheim plant and most of those are exported.
 
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What are the chances of all the generators and engine dying to the same fuel issue at once?

I am not a ship autist, so if I am wrong, just yell at me.

But a large power outage could be something going fucky with the ship's electric grid?

Could just the main engine have an issue, and cause some sort of problrm in the electric system like melt fuses or poo?
 
But do you think people deserve to die because of their geographic location?
Obviously not based on what I said days ago. Most people unfortunately can't move away from a rot that has engulfed their community. Much in the same way that you can live in a quaint neighborhood and suddenly someone purchases a house and then immediately rents it out to section 8 tenants or the government provides housing through emanant domain and shit proceeds to go downhill rapidly fast. I don't believe the victims who can't afford to move based on financial or other circumstances (ex: family history of being in that land for over a 100 years) should be collateral damage of a supposed "right winger's" (aka a larping chud) first and only policy of "billions must die"
Baltimore is, much like many other cities in America, a tragic victim of the counter culture since the 1960s.
 
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Nothing short of a tractor escort tug tied off to the stern would have stopped the Dali
It wouldn't even need to stop it, just divert it either back into the channel, or aground, or into the laughably inadequate single protection pier.

Sadly not an option.
 
Odd that dropping the port anchor made the ship veer off to starboard.
It was, I think, too big and have too much momentum to have any but one or all of these in play (although someone else may know better.

1. The rudder was already turning to get into the main channel when the power died.

2. That being the case, the following picture (in an exaggeration) shows how the anchor could have an opposite effect:
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3. When they got power again and put it in reverse, IIRC the direction of the blades of the propeller would cause a significant "pull" to the port. [Edit: .....at the stern]

I don't know if any single one of them could have caused it, but I think all three could.
 
If they're smart, they'll redirect perishable goods and products to Philadelphia and Wilmington DE ports, mobilize trucks, and get the stuff out from there. Southern ports are further away, but non-perishables could be routed up from there. This of course needs massive coordination and a few brain cells to rub together.
US law says that ships can't make two consecutive stops at US ports. Not without a crew of US sailors. A feeble attempt to protect US jobs and keep crewing standards a bit higher. Would you want them to override this. Just temporarily of course.

One of the most common things you see is some absolute retard leaving a rag inside an engine
May be a dumb question, but does that matter when you've got cylinders the size of an elevator?
Bridge officers being honored at the Orioles baseball game. Apparently they were so quick on the draw closing the bridge the only people on it was the pothole repair crew.
A minor consolation for the fact that they're about to be made redundant.
 
No, but you're probably just happy that white women are raped by niggers, period.
How did you come to that conclusion?
Do you think people deserve my way of living without contributing to the society we all uphold?
Life isn't a right, rights were made by people. If your from Africa or Haiti, you have no rights.
Nope.
Dude just uses nothing but mental gymnastics

"You don't like illegal immigration? Oh you think people deserve to die"

No, were saying they don't deserve our money or homes.
I wish the people saying this shit would house them, I'm tired of my taxes increasing because of it. You want them? Take care of them
When did I say anything about illegals, Africa, or Haiti? I was talking about states you illiterate mongoloids. My post was specifically about how you dweebs wish death on people for living in blue states.
The only people happy about importing niggers are left wing retards
Your mother seems pretty happy importing negros into her vagina.
 
It was, I think, too big and have too much momentum to have any but one or all of these in play (although someone else may know better.

1. The rudder was already turning to get into the main channel when the power died.

2. That being the case, the following picture (in an exaggeration) shows how the anchor could have an opposite effect:
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3. When they got power again and put it in reverse, IIRC the direction of the blades of the propeller would cause a significant "pull" to the port. [Edit: .....at the stern]

I don't know if any single one of them could have caused it, but I think all three could.

Also, the anchor may not always work. If the ship is big and going fast enough, the anchor will just plow the bottom of the sea, like a tractor pulling a plough.
 
Which in some ways might make the
Also, the anchor may not always work. If the ship is big and going fast enough, the anchor will just plow the bottom of the sea, like a tractor pulling a plough.
That may make the turn even sharper, although not as jarring. If the anchor ends up following what is basically the same arc as the boat as it's dragged, the angle of the chain would be even closer to a perpendicular pull on the bow to starboard.

Like this:
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Edit for clarity:
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What are the chances of all the generators and engine dying to the same fuel issue at once?

I am not a ship autist, so if I am wrong, just yell at me.
That depends on whether or not they all take suction from the same tank with the same contaminated fuel. It also depends on whether or not the contaminants are something that can be filtered out without much trouble.

Marine diesel is nasty, low-grade stuff to begin with, with water, sediment, and cat fines in it, and it basically has to be centrifuged constantly to keep it clean enough to use in an engine, and that's before it goes into any strainers, spin-on filters, etc.

But a large power outage could be something going fucky with the ship's electric grid?

Could just the main engine have an issue, and cause some sort of problrm in the electric system like melt fuses or poo?
Potentially, yes, provided that the problem actually was in the electricals.

It's kind of difficult to express how much wiring these ships have. It's not like the wiring harness in someone's car. It's more like a floating power plant.


May be a dumb question, but does that matter when you've got cylinders the size of an elevator?
Depends on where the rag was. In an air box/intake manifold on a big diesel, it'll just get sucked into a cylinder, pulverized, and turned into ash. However, if it has been stuffed into an oil or water passage and is completely occluding it, that's a different story. You'll be walking around the front of an engine and be like, "Huh, that's a weird noise coming from the timing gears", and then, that night, you and the boys will pull the cover off and see a rag completely stuffed into an oil passage, starving key components of oil. The timing gear will be missing chunks of gear teeth, which will later be found in the oil. Yes, I have seen this happen.
 
It wouldn't even need to stop it, just divert it either back into the channel, or aground, or into the laughably inadequate single protection pier.
A properly sized escort tug may have been able to keep the Dali away from the bridge pillars through indirect towing.


US law says that ships can't make two consecutive stops at US ports. Not without a crew of US sailors. A feeble attempt to protect US jobs and keep crewing standards a bit higher. Would you want them to override this. Just temporarily of course.
Non-US flagged ships cannot pickup cargo in one US port and drop it at another. The Dali's 2 previous ports of call were Norfolk and New York.
 
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Tell me you have a confirmation bias without recognizing you have one.
Seriously. have you not heard of the Costa Concordia? El Faro? The Titanic? The Edmund Fitzgerald? There are plenty of shipwrecks with perfectly white guys at the helm, and the fault for those accidents is not attributed to the race of the sailors.
Costa Concordia had a dirty cheap helmsman immigrant that didn't know how to speak English or Italian very well. Not the best example.
 
Fwiw I don't think the "third worlders" have a poor safety culture because they're being lazy and negligent, I think their planes and boats are in crappy condition because it's the best they can get their hands on, and transportation is a necessity.

Everyone in this thread is shitting on Indians (and apparently the Mexicans fixing potholes on the bridge who died during this accident.) Yet you're focused on calling me a racist for observing that those present are separate the world into two halves: the white-coded, firstworld one where nobody ever fucks up (which they liketo think they live in), and the shitty thirdworld nonwhite one, where everyone is retarded and incompetent (but they still produce the vast majority of our manufactured stuff, so it's a selective incompetence.)


"I am mad at the Indians in my town, therefore this tragic accident must be the fault of Indians." ?_? lukewarm IQs up in here...

you are retarded

literal tentdwelling junkies in the PNW have a better "safety culture" than pilots and people who handle explosives in the third world
 
Explain why the same people have shitty safety culture when given the resources required.

Third-worlders have zero concept of safety. Maybe it's lack of training. Maybe it's a lack of awareness. Whatever it is, third-worlders aren't as safe as first-worlders. Fact,
Western safety culture exists because we place a near-infinite value on human life no matter how lowly, and this attitude is self-reinforcing because the more we did to prevent premature deaths (such as inventing modern medicine and industrial safety controls), the more shocking a premature death becomes to us. For example in Canada it was uncovered a couple years ago that a few thousand Injun children died of tuberculosis in residential schools, which is perfectly in-line with childhood mortality c. 1900 but is treated like our version of the Holocaust now.

In an overcrowded shithole where people care more about the afterlife than this life, and where the lower classes are viewed as animals, this process never started, they had no Charles Dickens to spread outrage about their version of Victorian deathtrap factories, so they stayed on that trajectory.
 
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DonJon is doing stuff on the port livestream. They pulled up the spuds after the smaller crane did a radius check and are currently repositioning it.
 
There are giant concrete piers on either side of the channel to protect the bridge piers. Unfortunately, they can only protect from a ship going straight at a bridge pier. The Dali turned into the bridge pier and completely missed the protective pier.
I didn't even see those. The ones I see are usually islands made of stones along with large concrete structures. Those are so tiny.
 
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