US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

It is absolutely my favourite thing about the Farms as well. We're like the last bar on the Internet. Everywhere else is closed now and all the people who didn't fit in elsewhere are here now. Tis better to be damned on Kiwifarms than to be upvoted on Reddit.

....and we mean it unironically!

In 2020 Joepedo was sucking on his wife's fingers, and mistaking his sister for his wife. He was clearly having issues when allowed out of the basement, and the first debate was just his instructors telling him to say X, Y, Z lines and then the faggot Chris Wallace would swoop in to defend Joepedo from Trump. Then, in the second debate (we missed one because Orange was hit with Chyna Virus), Joepedo said stupid things like he was going to ban fracking and end the Keystone Pipeline, to the point where the debate moderator Kristen Welker said ".....why would you say that?"

This is why no matter what faggots will say, Trump won 2020 if you look at it from beyond just election day, there was nothing there for Joepedo. That's what makes the rigging and voter fraud so much more obvious than "JuST maIL in BaLLotS!"

Trump lost the first debate, IMO. And it was all because Wallace basically teamed up with Biden against him, and controlled things as moderator. Trump called him on it during the debate.

 

[Overly Serious]

The lawfare against suppressors needs to move forward. Currently at trial with Texas arguing the case.

SBR rules need to be challenged as well.
The standard config for this weapon is illegal for civilians to own without $400 in tax stamps and that's stupid.

Someone told me that it uses a non-standard ammo and that this was going to be hard to come by if you're a civillian? Something along those lines - they were implying that this was some sort of backdoor way to limit civilian firearm ownership by putting the army on a different ammo standard and skyrocketing prices for the ammo used by AR-15s, etc.

Not a gun person - anything to this?

 

[dustbuster]

Someone told me that it uses a non-standard ammo and that this was going to be hard to come by if you're a civillian?

It's a new cartridge, 6.8
Much like 5.7, it will be expensive as fuck at first, but military driving production means its availability will become accelerated. (e.g. we'll start seeing price drops in a decade as the services saturate and the plants start selling surplus to stay open like they do with 5.56)

 

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Someone told me that it uses a non-standard ammo and that this was going to be hard to come by if you're a civillian? Something along those lines - they were implying that this was some sort of backdoor way to limit civilian firearm ownership by putting the army on a different ammo standard and skyrocketing prices for the ammo used by AR-15s, etc.

Not a gun person - anything to this?

Different ammo yeah, but the justification I heard is they don't want Civilians picking up guns from dead soldiers and finding them at all useful in a potential upcoming boogaloo.

 

[Dick Mason]

I'll admit that I didn't bother watching the 2020 debates because they're a waste of time and I figured Trump was going to win anyways, but was Biden as senile during the campaign as he is now, or has he just dramatically declined over the course of 4 years. I know dementia is a scary thing that can happen pretty fast, but there must have been warning signs even back in the campaigning season Biden wasn't well enough to run as a puppet.

I think it's impossible to have debates this time. I wonder what excuse/ruse will be employed to waive that away.

Funny how Joe Rogan has lefty politics but has a mainly right wing audience.

He was part of the Intellectual Dark Web, a bonified gayop.

CNN: “When people talk about the threat to democracy that Trump poses, do you really think that is equal to Biden?”

RFK JR: “Biden is much worse threat to democracy... President Biden is the first president in history that has used the federal agencies to censor political speech.”

 

[dustbuster]

I think it's impossible to have debates this time. I wonder what excuse/ruse will be employed to waive that away.

He was part of the Intellectual Dark Web, a bonified gayop.

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Poor RFK.
He knows Democrats are lost as a party but refuses to cross the aisle, which, given his family legacy, would be a MASSIVE signal to normies to realign.

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

Someone told me that it uses a non-standard ammo and that this was going to be hard to come by if you're a civillian? Something along those lines - they were implying that this was some sort of backdoor way to limit civilian firearm ownership by putting the army on a different ammo standard and skyrocketing prices for the ammo used by AR-15s, etc.

Not a gun person - anything to this?

If you are willing to put down $6k you can buy a semi auto version from SIG

It's a new cartridge, 6.8
Much like 5.7, it will be expensive as fuck at first, but military driving production means its availability will become accelerated. (e.g. we'll start seeing price drops in a decade as the services saturate and the plants start selling surplus to stay open like they do with 5.56)

It does use a new cartridge, 6.8 NGSW. Sig currently sells a civilian version called .277 Fury. The issue is twofold regarding surplus ammo sales. Much like M855A1 and M80A1 the government learned from their mistake and has contractually banned sales of it to the private sector. Also since the projectile was explicitly designed as an armor piercing round the ATF will ban its sale in the private sector. This means that you won’t see it ever hit the private sector except on the grey market. The other issue is that SIG retained the patent for the case design so anything that can hit the pressures needed for the projectile to function will have to come from SIG or Lake City.

 

[dustbuster]

since the projectile was explicitly designed as an armor piercing round the ATF will ban its sale in the private sector

Not allowed to do this unless it's a pistol cartridge, it's not.

Also, armored piercing is explicitly defined in legal code.

18 USC 921(a)(17):
(B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means—
(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

Much like M855A1 and M80A1 the government learned from their mistake and has contractually banned sales of it to the private sector.

Google is your friend

https://suppressedballistics.com/product/m855a1-for-sale/

approximately $2 per round (goes down to $1.20~ in bulk)

EDIT:
I think I remember there being a bit of a kerfuffle over Obama possibly banning the sale of green tips from the government plants.
When this was brought up by members of congress he pulled his hand swiftly out of that cookie jar.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Unless you're wearing Level IV, rifle rounds are going to penetrate armor.

That being said, expect the ATF to pull bureaucratic bullshit until they get disbanded.

 

[dustbuster]

expect the ATF to pull bureaucratic bullshit until they get disbanded.

That's a given.

 

[John.Doe]

Different ammo yeah, but the justification I heard is they don't want Civilians picking up guns from dead soldiers and finding them at all useful in a potential upcoming boogaloo.

First, the US military will not replace every rifle in their armories overnight with this new model, unlike in Civ6 'upgrades' take years both to produce, roll-out and replace. We were still using WW2 surplus into the 80's and some National Guard units had it even later than that. Soldiers a decade from now are still going to be using M4 variants with stockpiles of old NATO 556 in a lot of places.

Secondly, as mentioned, by the time this rifle and caliber becomes widespread in the military it will be available for civilians regardless. The economics demand it, the US ammo suppliers depend heavily on the civilian market to survive because the government contracts do not pay the bills. Or, even if somehow, someway this caliber wasn't available, a dozen other rifle cartridges are - all capable of defeating modern plate.

Third, except for Hawaii, every other state has enough arms and ammo that guns/ammo could literally de-list from the loot tables and it would have zero effect on any kind of domestic situation. Remember, this new rifle/round combination is supposed to defeat body armor - but in a domestic situation armor wearing soldiers will not be the only targets. Unlike in Afghanistan or Iraq, where the insurgents could only attack military bases and personnel, with a domestic situation all kinds of softer targets are available. Infrastructure, civilian leaders, stockpiles, etc - none of which are typically equipped with body armor and are vulnerable to multiple avenues of attack.

I'm constantly boggled when I hear about how the last twenty years in the Middle East has given our military the experience to handle a domestic war, while constantly neglecting to consider the fact that it would be domestic which throws every other consideration out the window.

 

[dustbuster]

I'm constantly boggled when I hear about how the last twenty years in the Middle East has given our military the experience to handle a domestic war, while constantly neglecting to consider the fact that it would be domestic which throws every other consideration out the window.

People who think a civil war involves only hitting military targets are utterly naive.
I could easily see the russians or chinese willingly hosting "kill lists" doxing every pro-regime soldier and more importantly their family.
It doesn't matter if they're piloting an Abrams if their 4 year old daughter is in reach of an insurgent with a common kitchen knife.
It's truly the kind of ugliness that people do not want to comprehend, and it's the reason the right, who understand the gravity of violence, are working all other options to exhaustion.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Another point about the new Sig rifles. Only active duty combat MOS' are getting them. Active duty support personnel are keeping the M4 for the foreseeable future, as well as the national guard and reserve who also will be keeping the M4.

Also I don't believe the air force, navy or USMC have plans to adopt it either.

 

[quaawaa]

Another point about the new Sig rifles. Only active duty combat MOS' are getting them. Active duty support personnel are keeping the M4 for the foreseeable future, as well as the national guard and reserve who also will be keeping the M4.

Also I don't believe the air force, navy or USMC have plans to adopt it either.

It sounds like a bad idea to have different branches and units using different weapons which use different types of ammunition. What happened to “infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars”?

 

[mandatorylurk]

Trump posted his $175 million bond.



The fag judge in the hush money case is now expanding his faggy gag order on Trump to include his daughter, who is a democrat operative who works for Adam Schiff.




The Florida Supreme Court is putting both abortion and weed legalization on the ballot in November, which in theory will help the liberals get out the vote. Because people pointed this out about how you cannot go to 6 week abortion bans immediately just to show you're the super conservative governor who is gonna beat Trump, you start with the first trimester and slowly dial it back, all the Meatball supporters in denial of his screwup lash out at the MAGA wing. All Desantis does is the facade of winning for hecking based ConInc.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

I don't think Mister Rogers fucked kids, weirdly enough.

Mister Rogers was obviously after the milfs. Everyone would be extra careful about their kids next to a TV personality known for kids entertainment and all the moms would be left with their guard down.

CHAZ2: Golem Boogaloo is a go.

I for one support them go crazy guys.

That thing looks like a tossed-together piece of shit, no way it stands up to the holy "AR-15 style rifle" in blockcraft

This looks like some shit out of XCOM. And in that nu-blocky style that it was criticised for, no less.

Guys you are missing the point.

It LOOKS advanced! And it makes the lobbyists and MIC so happy to produce the parts and charge for the new guns!

The attempts at rules lawyering to keep this rifle from civilian hands with kvetching about ammo and special pressure loads and shit also come off as a classic case of tyrant hubris. They are trying to play chess when the game is checkers. If they are worrying about a situation where regular americans will be fighting the actual US Army none of that shit will matter because the National Guard would implode, gun laws would become de facto abolished and chaos would reign.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Someone told me that it uses a non-standard ammo and that this was going to be hard to come by if you're a civillian? Something along those lines - they were implying that this was some sort of backdoor way to limit civilian firearm ownership by putting the army on a different ammo standard and skyrocketing prices for the ammo used by AR-15s, etc.

Not a gun person - anything to this?

It's a new round so it'll be more expensive at first than the standard 5.56 round. As production ramps up it'll become cheaper and the army currently isn't planning on dropping the 5.56 round completely. They're still keeping tons of M4's to issue to non-combat roles.

Even if the army did drop the 5.56 round, I don't think the price of it would skyrocket with the amount of production already for it already out there.

It sounds like a bad idea to have different branches and units using different weapons which use different types of ammunition. What happened to “infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars”?

I'd say different branches have different roles, especially in today's world so it's not that unexpected they would prefer different weapon systems. That's how the AR-15 got adopted as the M16, the Airforce basically unilaterally adopted it which was the wedge to get it adopted by the army, replacing the M14.

With the Sig it's not too different to what was going on in WW2. The standard rifle was the M1 Garand firing freedom loving 30-06 but non-frontline roles would usually get issued with the M1 carbine that used 30 carbine ammo. Which is basically the intent with giving combat units the fancy new 6.8 rifle and everyone else gets the M4's.

 

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Secondly, as mentioned, by the time this rifle and caliber becomes widespread in the military it will be available for civilians regardless. The economics demand it, the US ammo suppliers depend heavily on the civilian market to survive because the government contracts do not pay the bills. Or, even if somehow, someway this caliber wasn't available, a dozen other rifle cartridges are - all capable of defeating modern plate.

It does use a new cartridge, 6.8 NGSW. Sig currently sells a civilian version called .277 Fury. The issue is twofold regarding surplus ammo sales. Much like M855A1 and M80A1 the government learned from their mistake and has contractually banned sales of it to the private sector. Also since the projectile was explicitly designed as an armor piercing round the ATF will ban its sale in the private sector. This means that you won’t see it ever hit the private sector except on the grey market. The other issue is that SIG retained the patent for the case design so anything that can hit the pressures needed for the projectile to function will have to come from SIG or Lake City.

Not sure which to believe here. "The gun companies will HAVE to sell this to civilians" vs "The government is banning this from being sold to civilians."

 

[Gehenna]

Trump posted his $175 million bond.

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The fag judge in the hush money case is now expanding his faggy gag order on Trump to include his daughter, who is a democrat operative who works for Adam Schiff.

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How.... can they be this consistently stupid. This is exactly what Trump's lawyers wanted and it was such am obvious ploy. How do you not see that!? The gag order as it was, was just this side of legal. No appeal would work. Now it's clearly unconstitutional and in violation of standing precedent, law, and policy.

They turned a slam dunk legal win into an almost certain successful appeal.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Not sure which to believe here. "The gun companies will HAVE to sell this to civilians" vs "The government is banning this from being sold to civilians."

More likely the former than the latter. The US Military is simply too erratic of a customer to rely on as a sole buyer for these - You'll have 2-3 years of huge, off the wall orders as they fill the warehouses, then "No thanks" trickle token orders for minimal use as they horde it all and try to cost control. You need a civilian market for the dry periods when the bean counters are worried about the riflemen using 2 mags instead of 1 for qualifications, there's savings in that brass and by god they're gonna get it, even if you gotta train by shouting "BANG" instead.