Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Celebrate Nite]

Last time Masuda did, people cried that they replaced Pikachu with an ice cream cone.

So much this

Black2/White2 was a dissapointment on that front. Having a sequel game is good, but the past gen mons should have been what the 1st B/W were (new pokemons front and center, older ones as postgame content).

There weren't even anything wrong with Gen5's mons. Idk what it is about the Ice Creame cone that triggers a lot of people, but inanimate objects have been used for Pokemon since Gen1, You can't even call it lazy because it doesn't get any lazier than Voltorb/Electrode, which is just a circle with a face.

Alomomola is the only one i take issue with because it just screams "luvdisc evolution"

 

[30+GameOvers]

There weren't even anything wrong with Gen5's mons. Idk what it is about the Ice Creame cone that triggers a lot of people, but inanimate objects have been used for Pokemon since Gen1, You can't even call it lazy because it doesn't get any lazier than Voltorb/Electrode, which is just a circle with a face.

Just like trannies, genwunners are the most vocal minority that somehow Gamefreak thinks represent the entirety of the fandom. You will not get any worthwhile answer out of them, they just want their Pikachu and their Charizard and they couldn't care less about anything else.

I didn't really play Gen 5 meta in it's heyday, but I very much like the designs of the new mons, and how they tried to get you to actually use them. Well, Pokemon fanbase doesn't like it when things get too "new" and unfamiliar, GF found that out the hard way.
Ice Cream is one of my favorite Pokemon unironically, so that one always gives me a chuckle. These same people who hate it seem to be fine with Dexit, however, so that tells you everything you need to know about them.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

You can't even call it lazy because it doesn't get any lazier than Voltorb/Electrode, which is just a circle with a face.

Minor point of contention, Voltorb / Electrode are genius permutations of the traditional mimic. They're not a pokeball, they're an item capsule. The same you find all over the game, and the idea they exist solely to do either static sonicboom damage or explode on you with a troll move that halves your defense before calculating damage coupled with their ludicrously high speed is hilarious.

The only reason they're fast is because they're a trap that is meant to almost certainly guarantee a 25% chance of blowing you up before you can run away or kill them. Top tier, underrated Pokemon design that had a lot of thought put into their function as an RPG mimic.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Just like trannies, genwunners are the most vocal minority that somehow Gamefreak thinks represent the entirety of the fandom.

I mean, when them complaing led to Gen 5 underselling they are not a minority. Otherwise the majority of players would have offset them. Or they are a minority in which case Pokemon has a bigger problem. Caused by no one but themselves.

Fact is despite Pokemon being 25 years removed from Gen 1, Gen 1 is what people know about Pokemon. At a stretch you might get someone that knows Gen 2. Anything after that? Not a chance.

Pokemon has not done a very goid job of making Gen 2 onwards stick in the same way for the public, despite most young people that would be picking up Pokemon having never played it or even been born then or even have watched that portion of the anime.

 

[Archeops]

With the official 3DS/Wii U servers dying in a matter of hours I'm kind of shocked/disappointed with the fandom for not making their own 3DS servers like they did for the DS, I like how you can fuck around with the DNS settings and get free event Pokémon off of Mystery Gift.

While I was reading this, I remembered that the guy who makes PKHeX was making twitter posts showing how people in the tournaments were using PKHeX to cheat, even though he made the thing. that lets them cheat. He's still posting about how people are still cheating at competitive pokemon

I think Kaphotics does these kinds of callouts because they serve as a warning of sorts to the wider VGC community, if people are going to use poorly-hacked Pokémon with incorrect internal flags and whatnot then GF/TPCi could get smart and those internal flags to the next generation's (or, as we saw with Worlds 2023, the next tournament's) hack checks.

In other words, he's going "make your hacks as perfect as possible or your sloppiness/carelessness will be added to newer hack checks" to the VGC community and said community is chimping out like a pack gay niggers because HOW DARE YOU IMPLY WE USED HACKED DATA IN A TOURNAMENT.

...but I guess this time was different because the next person he covered related to it said something that was "offensive".

The tweet was deleted ages ago but it was because a Spanish VGC competitor netted a permaban from Play! Pokémon-sanctioned events over a joke (he says it's a Spanish meme) saying that he'd bomb TPCi's headquarters if he was banned from any future Pokémon events.

It kind of reminds me of this incident that occurred at the 2012 UK National Championship that involved a team of Spanish VGC competitors getting escorted out of the hotel for leaving shit in the hallway and getting DQ'd from the event and banned from future Pokémon tournaments.

That being said, I don't get how anyone plays competitive outside of Showdown anymore.

One of things I noticed is that the amount of cheating (in terms of blatant hacks, not the more "subtle" ones that get past TPCi's hack checks) when TPCi retired the old scholarship prizes with cash prizes.

But that's my personal opinion, I can't remember if the whole Dream Ball Aegislash/Beast Ball Porygon2 fiascos (I also remember one involving a Pokémon in a Lure Ball but I've forgotten which Pokémon was involved) happened before the scholarship/cash prize swap occurred.

Genius seniority should just make the fucking games. XD gale of darkness will always be my Pokemon goat

>Genius Sonority
>Taking a shot at developing a main line game

And no, it's not because of Colosseum and XD being classified as spin-offs.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I assume we’ll get Private Servers for the 3DS now that they are going offline.

 

[30+GameOvers]

With the official 3DS/Wii U servers dying in a matter of hours

You sure about that, buddy? Google is giving April 8th, not 4th.
Still, I do wish I wonder traded a bit more. Online Battles and GTS are dead, but you can always get something nice from randoms. I already said I gave away a whole bunch of VC Red Pokemon on Christmas, was hoping to do the Missingno glitch and start giving away LV100 Mewtwos, but alas it's not meant to be.
Even if the servers are restored, it just won't be the same. GTS for Gen 4 and 5 games are a shadow of their former selves(even if technically functional if you know how to hook them up)

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Even if the servers are restored, it just won't be the same. GTS for Gen 4 and 5 games are a shadow of their former selves(even if technically functional if you know how to hook them up)

GTS honestly was always not that great honestly because there was no checks against the illegal Trades being offered. And it just got worse when everyone started playing the latest game. Cause then there was no playerbase to even pretend like things were above board.

 

[30+GameOvers]

GTS honestly was always not that great honestly because there was no checks against the illegal Trades being offered. And it just got worse when everyone started playing the latest game. Cause then there was no playerbase to even pretend like things were above board.

Thing is that it worked. In Gen 6, there are Pokemon that will crash your game put in there by hackers, and Gen 7 makes it worse since you don't even need to trade them, all you have to do is scroll over them and the console will crash. That was the beginning of the end, I think my last GTS Trade was before this exploit for SM was found(which in my case would be around 2021)

 

[Computer Guardian]

>Genius Sonority
>Taking a shot at developing a main line game

And no, it's not because of Colosseum and XD being classified as spin-offs.

It also doesn't help that they're making a new entry in thier own RPG series after all these years

Outside of the spinoffs they already have and probably would make, they'll probably never touch the main series Pokemon formula ever again.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Outside of the spinoffs they already have and probably would make, they'll probably never touch the main series Pokemon formula ever again.

Most of the people from GS at the time moved over to work on the main games though.

A company is just a name. And just because the company made good stuff does not mean they will continue to if all the old devs move on.

Same reason core Pokemon is having issues now.

 

[Freelance Police]

You do know that was the point, right? You were NEVER meant to think Team Plasma has a point because sometimes evil faggots use morality as a weapon against you. Team Plasma DOESN'T have a point. They NEVER had a point. They were never meant to. The only person who believed their garbage was N and he was literally brainwashed. That's why all throughout Pokemon Black and White your MC and friends never once buy into Team Plasma's BS, because they know it's BS. Ghetsis' giving his big speech and Team Plasma beating a Munna immediately after wasn't a coincidence. It was intentional to let you know these guys are full of shit.

No shit? I couldn't tell by the ominous piano that played every time Ghetsis was on screen that Team Plasma was full of shit. It still doesn't make for a compelling story because of how obvious it is that Team Plasma has ulterior motives. If they really wanted to communicate the idea that people will weaponize morality to achieve their own ends then they should have done it by convincingly trying to trick the player into believing their side of the moral argument and then pulling the rug out from beneath them, at least then the player would feel more involved since the whole "gotcha" moment is taking place within the players head. The whole "twist" of Ghetsis being Dennis McEvil all along is only a twist to N, we've known this retard was evil from the second he showed up on screen. Yeah they're supposed to be giant hypocrites, but it's so obvious and it's presented so early on that the story never really goes anywhere with it. Nothing they do ever comes off as a surprise because we already know they're the bad guys. The game just says they're evil and then there's nothing beyond that, it's a point that goes nowhere.

Saying Team Plasma never had a point is also just completely wrong. Just because Dennis McEvil and his band of merry men exploited a moral argument doesn't mean the moral argument has no credence. The whole point of N is that he believes in the moral argument Team Plasma is supposedly fighting for and practices those arguments in his approach to handling and coexisting with the Pokemon (which still fails because he still engages in the same Pokemon cockfighting that every other trainer does). The game fucks this up further by continuously trying to hammer in the fact that Team Plasma is full of shit and that N is also wrong because he keeps coming across counterarguments to his point through interactions with our Pokemon, while simultaneously never challenging the status quo. It's a completely completely one-sided argument and it's presented in a way to make people believe Team Plasma never had a point to begin with and that N is just a gullible retard because he couldn't hear the evil piano that gave it all away. It presents a moral dilemma and treats it as if there are only two binary answers, and the resolution to all of this is Alder saying "there are two sides to every argument" and walking away like dumbass, when the game has never once attempted to actually present the other sides argument in good faith.

And before you say it, yeah I know it's a kids game, but that begs the question as to why Game Freak even chose this kind of subject for their story in the first place. If they really wanted something a child could understand they should have picked a simpler topic instead of squandering a premise with a lot of potential but needed a lot of nuance and care in it's presentations and arguments to tell effectively. It's a shit story with shitty villains and it makes an even shittier point at the end.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

>Genius Sonority
>Taking a shot at developing a main line game

And no, it's not because of Colosseum and XD being classified as spin-offs.

Then tell me, then.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

@Freelance Police

Considering the amount of Pokemon fans that think Plasma has a point they did make the player think they had a point.

And this was mostly done through N actually sounding reasonable and obviously being nothing like a regular Plasma Grunt.

Why did GF choose a plot about catching and enslaving creatures in a game series where you do that and the bad guys are always the ones using Pokemon for bad and abusing them? No idea. It was completely out of left field.

 

[Freelance Police]

Considering the amount of Pokemon fans that think Plasma has a point they did make the player think they had a point.

And this was mostly done through N actually sounding reasonable and obviously heing nothing like a regular Plasma Grunt.

I feel like people understand Team Plasma's point more so because they're applying moral principles based on the real world rather than anything Team Plasma said or did. Most people understand that it's inhumane and cruel to stuff animals into cages and have them fight each other for our amusement, and we have animal cruelty laws to try and prevent that. People were memeing the animal abuse in Pokemon long before Game Freak tackled the topic because it's easy to draw those parallels between the real world and the games. People questioning the ethics of catching and battling Pokemon has nothing to do with Team Plasma or Game Freaks writing, it's just the default skepticism you'd have the second you try applying real world ethics to a fictional world that lacks those same ethics and vice versa.

Maybe Game Freak will try this again in 10 generations and we'll get a story about something retarded like Pokegate. Then we can really have a discussion about ethics in Pokemon battling.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

People were memeing the animal abuse in Pokemon long before Game Freak tackled the topic because it's easy to draw those parallels between the real world and the games.

The topic came up as far back as Gen 1. Gen 2 had Team Rocket butchering Pokemon and selling their meet and the rival got several of his Pokemon by stealing them.

The jokes came after the topic had already come up in Pokemon games.

If anything I’m surprised it took Pokemon that long to go full in with a story on on it considering.

I’d assume because Gen 3 was a reset and things were honestly toned down afterwards.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Just because Dennis McEvil and his band of merry men exploited a moral argument doesn't mean the moral argument has no credence.

But there isn't any moral credence to it. Sure, from a surface it might seem like it, but the actual IP never supported the idea Pokemon are better off in the wild. You hardly see any fully evolved wild Pokemon, ever until recent games. Even then, they're few and far between. Sure it might be for balancing purposes, but the anime doesn't do it either. No part of the IP does. Not every Bulbasaur becomes a Venusaur. People draw out Pokemon's potential. When they are misused, it's always taken a good guy with Pokemon to stop them.

I feel like people understand Team Plasma's point more so because they're applying moral principles based on the real world rather than anything Team Plasma said or did.

Also, this. You know, they ignore the fact in game Pokemon are pets, friends, and even members of the family in the context of this world. So, yeah in the context of the world we know, Team Plasma has no point and if the morality of the dog fighting question can go fuck itself. If you take everything the IP has presented over the years, even without the anime, you'd see the notion of just dog fighting is ridiculous. If you include the anime, and still think the "morals of dog fighting" have any weight in this world, you have 25+ years of a running show telling you that you're just flat out wrong.

 

[Archeops]

You sure about that, buddy? Google is giving April 8th, not 4th.

I knew I was crossing my wires somewhere, I think I was confusing the shutdown with something else.

Still, I do wish I wonder traded a bit more. Online and GTS are dead, but you can always get something nice from randoms. I already said I gave away a whole bunch of VC Red Pokemon on Christmas, was hoping to do the Missingno glitch and start giving away LV100 Mewtwos, but alas it's not meant to be.
Even if the servers are restored, it just won't be the same. GTS for Gen 4 and 5 games are a shadow of their former selves(even if technically functional if you know how to hook them up)

I personally gave up on the 3DS's GTS after hackers discovered that they could brick your game with certain hacked Pokémon, it became too risky to even consider putting up your own Pokémon at that point.

I'm just wondering why it hasn't been done yet. Is there some sort of encryption that 3DS servers use that hasn't been cracked yet, are they waiting for Nintendo to officially kill 'em before announcing that they're up and running, or is just good ol' apathy doing its job?

Then tell me, then.

It boils down to several factors...

• The Stadium-style games were made to help put Pokémon battles (using rental teams or your own Pokémon from the RBY/GSC/RSE/FRLG/DPPt/HGSS games, whichever works) in a 3D environment. With Pokémon moving to 3D in general come XY there was no point in making those kinds of games anymore.
• Said games were also made to give players a way to experience a main line game on a home console, either via Stadium 1/2's Game Boy Tower or via Colosseum's/XD's well-crafted single-player story mode. Sadly this is something that was dropped in Pokémon Battle Revolution and, in addition to the game's negative-to-lukewarm reception and basically requiring a copy of Diamond or Pearl to take full advantage of the PBR's features, helped lead it to getting lackluster sales despite the Wii and DPPt doing gangbusters sales-wise. Like the 3D battles bit, this is something that lost its "special touch" with the release of Sword and Shield on the Switch, a console that's both portable and can be used at home.
• Nintendo did well with the Stadium titles and Genius Sonority bumped up the quality with Pokémon Colosseum and XD (hell, you needed both games to help complete the National Dex in Gen III) but dropped the ball with Battle Revolution. As mentioned above PBR did terribly reception-wise and sales-wise which probably lead to The Pokémon Company and Game Freak getting cold feet on releasing a similar game for Gen V and possibly leading to Gen VI adopting a 3D battlefield in those past games.

The only thing I haven't included is what @6MillionCoofs brought up in regards to GS employees leaving to work with Game Freak and that's in part due to not knowing if it's actually true.

 

[Helghandidnothingwrong]

People could actually brick your 3DS game? Must have lucked out then when I used the GTS to actually complete the pokedex with 1 copy of the game for once. Sun/Moon were the last true pokemon games where they actually cared about it. Gen 5/early half of Gen 6 set the stage for the general apathy we saw fully on display with the switch games.

ORAS and Sun/Moon were an anomaly and one last hoorah with cool legendaries like Magearna, Solgaleo/Lunala, and lots of postgame stuff to do. Especially with the dimension hopping minigame that feels like a randomized location generator for pokemon that it really needs. (no randomizers are retarded shitpost "mods." I mean dynamically generating completely new unknown locations to go adventuring with your pokemon in with randomized non-legendary pokemon there that is completely possible today and sometimes giving a glimpse at places only seen in the movies and anime. )

Even Lets go has a wholesome sendoff for some of the Alola characters like Gen 4 had for jasmine years before HG/SS. Really does feel like the end of an era seeing Mina in the postgame of Lets go and the unobtainable Melmetal being talked about but locked behind pokemon GO as a warning to where this franchise was headed.

 

[Archeops]

Pokémon recently posted a “guide” on how to Shiny hunt in SV, as expected it just points out the obvious (get the Shiny Charm, take advantage of Mass Outbreaks, use Sparkling Power with Herba Mystica-infused sandwiches or the Academy Special, etc.). The only thing of note is that they suggest to KO Pokémon in Mass Outbreaks until the third message pops up (“There are not many [Pokémon] left from the original outbreak...”) instead of the second message (“The number of [Pokémon] in the outbreak is definitely getting lower...”) and this is assumed to be due to difficulties with telling Outbreak-spawned Pokémon from those that spawn normally.

The next 7-Star Tera Raid, this one featuring a Psychic Tera Type Meganium, was revealed a while ago and is now available. It runs until the 7th and will be run again between the 12th and 14th alongside a rerun of the Blissey Tera Raids.

You can also redeem codes for an Iron Hands based off of the one Marco Silva used at LAIC last year on SV and an Secret Illustration Rare Raging Bolt ex on the Pokémon TCG Live game.

Iron Hands: FAKE0UTEU1C (Once per save file)
Raging Bolt ex: BurstRoarEUIC24 (Once per account, limited to 100k copies)

EDIT: I forgot to include the Tera Type for the Meganium Raid.

People could actually brick your 3DS game? Must have lucked out then when I used the GTS to actually complete the pokedex with 1 copy of the game for once. Sun/Moon were the last true pokemon games where they actually cared about it. Gen 5/early half of Gen 6 set the stage for the general apathy we saw fully on display with the switch games.

The issue wasn’t discovered until a couple of years ago, that’s why most people consider the GTS for the 3DS games a lost cause nowadays.