Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[FedPostalService]

No need to rush, then. Womb transplants into men are not going to become reality. We'll have artificial wombs that can bring a child to term from an egg before anyone comes up with a viable cross-sex womb transplant.

The final solution to the women problem.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Women want men to stop troons from competing in women’s sports?

Bold of them to assume we care about women’s sports.

You loaded them up there, you unload 'em!

 

[F40PH]

Prepare yourself for a huge block of TL;DR, and a decent dose of me getting angry. I still seethe when thinking about this, so please excuse my autistic rage if it shows through.

Quite a few years back, I worked for a company that owned a large game website primarily aimed at teenagers, and we used to do partnerships/cross promotions with various companies and charities, one of which was an LGBT youth charity. This particular charity used to come onto the website and host organised group talk sessions with the community, and a member of staff (such as myself) would be present to assist and moderate to weed out trolls, spammers, etc. I'd helped host these sessions with a few of the representatives from this particular charity before, and honestly? Things seemed to be pretty normal. I'd worked with both gay and lesbian people from the charity, and most of them just came across as normal older people who wanted to let teenagers know "it's fine to feel like this" or whatever and offer them some canned advice on who to talk to about it, resources they can find, etc. No weird leading questions, no conversion shit, just "know you're not alone" kinda stuff.

Before I get into the meat and potatoes, to set the scene, the website has a text-based chat feature in-game which is how these sessions are conducted, and me + whoever was hosting the session would be on a conference call so we could discuss things on the fly so the users in-game could not hear us. All of this happened before the tranny shit had blown up quite as much as it has in recent years, so modern-style troonery was all very new at the time and contained to a handful of websites like Tumblr and other likeminded shit holes. I worked doing this job for over a decade, and I have a really good knack for spotting groomers and their patterns as a result. As this all happened so long ago now, I'll be paraphrasing for most of this, but I'll try to keep things as accurate as I remember them happening.

Just like any other time I'd done this, there was a slot booked for the charity to send some people to the website to host a session, but this time it was different: They were going to be sending a gay man, a lesbian, and a trans person. I thought "sure, whatever, who cares" and hopped onto a conference call with the lesbian chick who I'd worked with in the past and she immediately said that the gay guy was "cancelling" and couldn't make it. I asked why, and she sarcastically said "Oh, you haven't worked with """her""" before, have you?" Which kinda caught me off guard. I said "No.. Why? What's that got to do with it?" and she just laughed and said "Oh, you'll see. Ya wanna keep an eye on that one." Little did I realise, just how right she was.

The troon eventually shows up fifteen fucking minutes late for the event (which I have to apologise to the users for), and then we finally get started. For the first few minutes, things are pretty steady away and normal. Users ask some questions, lesbian chick does most of the heavy lifting work answering them because idk wtf gays get up. The tranny is oddly very quiet the entire time, to the point where I'm talking to our users more than he is which is pretty unusual for sessions like these, but whatever, I think maybe he's shy due to being new to session hosting or something? But then it happens. A question comes up from a young boy who's questioning his sexuality (I think he was 14 or 15 if memory serves me correctly). I don't remember all of the specific details of his reasoning, but what I do remember is him expressing not feeling attracted to girls, and suspected he might be gay. Part of his logic was explaining how he wasn't interested in stereotypical "guy things" but he was interested in women's fashion design and how he has no guy friends, but a lot of girl friends who he hangs out with at school and considers himself to be "more like one of them and not interested in dating them" (or words to this effect). Upon hearing this, the troon lept into action, and asked him if he "knew what it meant to be trans, because I think you might be trans!!!" No quicker than the moment he said it, I hear a huge sigh from the lesbian chick on the call and I get sent a PM from her saying "here we go again, lol.."

The kid in-game insists they are not trans and have no desire to "dress up like a woman" (this one is an actual word for word quote btw, lmfao), but confirms he is aware of what trans is. He also clears up that his interest in womens fashion comes from a place of wanting to design and collect handbags specifically. The tranny, however, will not fucking drop it, and just blanks the kid and starts typing so much in the chat-space he gets a fucking flood warning from our automod system. Once turned down, he enlightens our young (possibly) homosexual hangbag enjoying protagonist that "it's not like dressing up" and trans people "are women" etc, goes on a bit of a rant about how it's a common misconception, etc. but it's technically """educational""" so I let him explain his identity or whatever, but then shit starts getting rocky. The troon shifts back to the kid and tries to tell him that "not everyone who is trans knows they are trans, sometimes it takes another older trans person to help them discover themselves " I IMMEDIATELY feel off about this remark, and say on the call "Where are you going with this?" and get blanked. He keeps typing. The kid just says "ok, but I don't think I'm trans, I just have more in common w/ my girl friends than guys" and this is the part where I officially hit PEAK TRANS OVERDRIVE, and call an end to the madness. The troon attempts to say "Well if you ever want to talk about exploring your identity with someone in private, my email is firstname.lastname at our charity website address if you or anyone else would like to reach out " but luckily our site filter caught it and *****'d out the section that it thought might have been an email address/off-site contact request (I can see the raw version as I have access to the chatlogs, for clarity). I VERY quickly say "Enough, stop typing now." in our call, he offendedly shoots a "Why?" at me, I just say "You know why, stop. Type anything else, and I'm taking this further." I get a "huff" from him, he logs out of his in-game account but stays on the call, the lesbian openly says "Told you" in-call with him listening and I announce in-game that we have to move onto the next topic, and remind our users to not contact anyone via email, and that the other person hosting had just made a mistake due to being new to hosting, blah, blah, blah. The lesbian chick takes over the session and gets things back on track and finished off like a champ.

As soon as things are wrapped up, I just say "What the fuck was that about? You can't ask teenagers to email you privately to discuss things like this. Do you have any idea how fucking bad that looks?" he gets out "I was just trying to help that young trans person figure out.." before I cut him off and say "No, you were soliciting a child to contact you off-site so you could try and convince them they are trans, despite them telling you several times that they weren't. Even if they were, why can't you discuss that here during a session where we can see what's going on? Why does it have to be behind closed doors?" in response, he murmur'd something I say "Eh? Speak up" he goes quiet, and hangs up the call leaving me sat in utter disbelief at what I just witnessed.

I later spoke to the lesbian about it, and the gay guy who cancelled on us, and it turns out that this particular tranny had a SUPER bad reputation for this exact shit, but the charity in question seemed perfectly fine sending him to a community engagement event on a game full of teenagers for some reason? Other people at the charity knew about him and referred to him as "creepy" constantly, but nothing was done to weed him out, which is completely and utterly fucked. The whole thing just left a sour taste in my mouth, and all I could do was make my manager promise me to never let him near our community again, which thankfully, they honoured. I worked that gig for quite a long time, and I have quite a few other non-trans horror stories (I'm sure you guys can take a guess at the calibre of degenerate I'm referring to), but this particular incident really sticks with me because of just how fucking blatant he was, and to this day, it really angers me looking back on it. Like, what did he expect me to do? Just let him carry on? Fuck no. It's left me eternally trans-critical and I have nothing but disgust for these pornsick weirdos as a result.

Sorry for the long write-up, but thank you for reading my blog post Kiwi's. I've never gone into this story in much detail with other people before, so it's nice to get it off my chest.

 

[LimeRikki]

Sorry for the long write-up, but thank you for reading my blog post Kiwi's.

No apologies needed fren, your post was very well written and engaging, and I certainly wouldn't mind hearing more of your horror stories.

We'll have artificial wombs that can bring a child to term from an egg before anyone comes up with a viable cross-sex womb transplant.

Spoiler: Super OT

I know in my bones that any technology that allows a fetus to develop outside of a female human womb is going to result in fetal developmental issues. They might not be physical, but I think there is something very necessary about developing and growing inside of a human female. At the very least, I think any children born this way are going to have deep seated psychological issues that people are going to struggle to explain.

I have no science to back me. This is just something instinctual.

 

[Captain Confabulator]

I used to go along with it.

I was in a very “progressive techy” social circle and those spaces are absolutely filled with troons, to the point where if you see a “woman” there’s about a 50/50 chance of that person being male. And for me it wasn’t just online. The neighbour in the apartment next to me was trans. There was a “queer” bar directly across the street from where I lived. My student union had "gender-neutral" bathrooms. It was the water I swam in; it was unavoidable.

I accepted the idea that “gender” is different from sex, that these people identified with the “feminine social role”, and that it was polite to be “accepting” and refer to them how they preferred.

When I thought about the bathroom/locker room issue, I was imagining Thai Ladyboys, HSTS types like Dylan Mulvaney, and the socially inept autists with long hair I saw in these techy spaces. I could see why they were uncomfortable in the men’s change room. None of them seemed particularly threatening to women. The “they just want to pee!” line seemed reasonable.

But I assumed everyone implicitly accepted that, because sex is different from gender, they’re still male. They’re potentially physically and chemically castrated, but still male. They’re males we refer to as “women” because of their “gender identity”, but still irrevocably male.

Then Lia Thomas was trending on Twitter. I didn’t really care about the news story itself, because I’m not American and dismissed it as political riff-raff, but I saw people I was mutuals with and had previously respected defending this guy swimming with women. And I assumed I could reason with them. So I jumped into a political debate on social media, which is very out of character for me.

The first thing I noticed was how ridiculous the linguistic constraints were. I was still calling Thomas “she” and “her” and found myself saying things like “but she has a male body” and “she has had a lifetime exposure to a performance-enhancing drug called testosterone that a cis woman would be banned for taking.” And this wasn’t enough for them. I was accused of being transphobic for even acknowledging biological sex. I was told words like “male body” are “TERFy.” Some of these people who had been my mutuals for years simply blocked me immediately.

The very language necessary to describe the absurd reality in front of me was enough to get these people to shun me as a non-believer. And looking back, bless my naive heart, I was trying so hard to be nuanced and understanding. I had pronouns in my bio. I wasn’t “misgendering” anyone. I was applying the same standard on lifetime testosterone exposure to “all women”.

One of the trans-identified men who I was mutuals with saw that I was being genuine and open to real discussion and engaged with me on the topic, which I still appreciate as rare. But his line of argument was about the need to “deconstruct the binary” of “sexual categories in sport” to reflect the true “diversity of human biology.” I pressed him further for details about what this would look like in practise, and he forwarded the idea of classification algorithms that take a plethora of biological features into account like height, total body mass, lean body mass, lung capacity etc. to classify people. I pointed out that this would vastly overcomplicate things to the point of being infeasible for all but the elite level and that, given all of these features are extremely sexually dimorphic anyways, you would still end up with sex categories but arrive there through a needlessly complicated process. He didn’t really have an answer for me and the conversation politely lost momentum with no real resolution.

After that I stepped back and realized the cultish dynamics at play. I realized how quickly they cut me off at any sign of wrongthink. I realized that it’s impossible to even acknowledge reality and stay on the good side of the True Believers. I realized that these people were willing to apply a million layers of obfuscation on something as apparent and unavoidable as biological sex for the sake of their belief system. And I realized that I had been a part of it, that they had conditioned me to be wary of “TERFs” and not to listen to “bigots” who “hated trans people.”

Being something of a pedantic autist myself, I actually went through and steel-manned an entire list of every argument for allowing trans-identified men into women’s sports that I could find and refuted them. I still have that list, and I’ve never seen a novel argument that isn’t addressed in it. It was an exercise in anti-gaslighting and the use of reason, which I started applying to gender identity more broadly. It was the beginning of my deprogramming.

And having seen how low the bar was for being called a TERF after having been called one myself, and being disgusted by the way they shut down wrongthink, I was suddenly much more open to hearing what all of these so-called TERFs were saying.

Gender ideology does not survive open criticism combined with use of one’s own reason. I now understood why they were so desperate to shut down dissent.

That was how I went from “trans rights supporter” to having serious reservations about allowing any man to declare himself a woman and enter women’s sports and spaces. But I still wasn’t actively anti-troon yet.

It took learning about autogynephilia, euphoria boners, the transvestite genocide (where did they all go?), the horrific affronts against nature and human dignity that are the mutilative hackjobs known as “bottom surgery”, the carbon copy of the pro-ana era that is the gender contagion sweeping through online communities of young women, the grooming and manipulation known as "egg cracking", and the chemical stunting of children for me to go from “having reservations” to “actively opposing this nightmare.”

Now I’m a hardliner. I have pity for the mentally ill people that get caught up in this travesty but I will never give them an inch.

I will never use their language.
I will never deny reality.

No one can change sex.
And YWNBAW.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I think males who self-identify as nonbinary tend to go for a more artsy/costumey style than just dressing like a cumbrained anime addict, but I don't know of very many.

Sometimes it's soyboys or depressed men who dress normally but want the asterisk that says they aren't part of the problem. (Sometimes it's male feminists who look the same, but are more dangerous.)

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

Other people at the charity knew about him and referred to him as "creepy" constantly, but nothing was done to weed him out, which is completely and utterly fucked

I remember reading some post about trannies (probably on reddit). If I remember correctly, it was about a newly trans "woman" dressing extremely inappropriately in situations where there was at least a societally implied dress code. Like, Paris Hilton slut-chic to a business casual office or to a wedding or something. Denim micro-mini-skirt with the gut hanging out and such. (This was back when people still had a little bit of resistance towards letting trannies do whatever they want) The poster wanted advice on how to tell their friend that they were being inappropriate as shit while still "respecting her gender identity".

One of the comments defending the tranny's right to slut it up claimed that when trans people go on hormones they are basically going through "second puberty," so they're of course going to act like irrational teenagers and do things like make tacky fashion choices and be oblivious towards sex/dating-related social boundaries and have temper tantrums and be moody. And that we all need to be gentle and understanding of trannies just like we are with those teens and their mixed-up puberty brains! They can't help it!

So that super brayve transwymyn was clearly just trying to relate to teens because she was going through second puberty and can't help it, just like a real fourteen-year-old girl. She feels like a teen going through puberty herself, so it's not wrong of her to socialize with them uwuuuu~

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

One of the comments defending the tranny's right to slut it up claimed that when trans people go on hormones they are basically going through "second puberty," so they're of course going to act like irrational teenagers and do things like make tacky fashion choices and be oblivious towards sex/dating-related social boundaries and have temper tantrums and be moody. And that we all need to be gentle and understanding of trannies just like we are with those teens and their mixed-up puberty brains! They can't help it!

So that super brayve transwymyn was clearly just trying to relate to teens because she was going through second puberty and can't help it, just like a real fourteen-year-old girl. She feels like a teen going through puberty herself, so it's not wrong of her to socialize with them uwuuuu~

So, at best, HRT makes you retarded, and at worst, it makes you sexualize children.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

So, at best, HRT makes you retarded, and at worst, it makes you sexualize children.

Let's get kids on it as soon as we can!

If we don't, they'll all die of suicide!

 

[TismFarmer]

Sadly, there were reports of doctors doing things like using an eyedropper to apply drain cleaner to patients' eyes in response to BIID.

If it makes you feel better, the guy who did it wasn't a medical doctor, just a fucken creepy weirdo and the 'victim' (actually the instigator) took a train to stay at his house to have it done! (even though she had literally never met him) then lied to the doctors about it being an accident.
She also had a blind fiancée who broke it off with her when she refused treatment that could restore part of her sight. I guess it took him that long to realise how batshit she was (and to realise that their whole relationship was based on her fetishising him)

 

[NoReturn]

I still have that list, and I’ve never seen a novel argument that isn’t addressed in it.

I want to read your list.

 

[Kaiba Cuqk63]

'birthing parent' 'people who menstruate' etc. are entirely TiF-made phenomenons, what are you on about

Gonna have to respectfully disagree on this. It's understandable why you'd think this was in service of the TiFs because it definitely looks like that, but I don't think that's actually what's going on here. They could just as easily say women, trans men, and non-binary people or AFAB and those would even sound more inclusive. Being able to name drop women and minorities should be delightful for the oppressor/oppressed loving folks. What they really want to do is divorce female anatomy and female issues from womanhood. And that really serves the TiMs. You have to remember that this movement hates women, all women, including TiFs. If TRAs could give TiMs the world and completely screw over TiFs they would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[lamppost]

I've never really sucked the lady dick, but I used to be a lot kinder to the frocked menace.

My stance was essentially "They are not actual women, and by law cannot be treated as such, however they need us to indulge in the fantasy as best we can so they can live a happy life." So things such as using she/her around them, and dropping the 'tranny' and 'ladyboy' labels.

Allowing them a more dignified life made sense. Then the typical left wing retardation took over, where being a normal, courteous citizen isn't enough, and I needed to suddenly 'be educated' on a range of nonsensical things, agree to instant changes in law and societal norms, and ignore all of the blatant grooming and sexualisasion of children. Having any concerns about my daughter going into public toilets and changing rooms with men means that I'm a biggot

So basically the same thing that has peaked me on everything else. Incessant, forced, progressive lunacy. TTD.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Like a lot of you, was was libertarian about people's personal choices for the first few decades of life. I didn't care and didn't want to care if someone decided they were a woman all along since it was hyper rare and didn't impact my life.

My turn came seven years ago, the first time I ever lost friendships over the topic. I was in a hobby group with one clear freakshow male Troon who was clearly identifying himself as such to get better access to the women in the group. He gave off massive sex pest vibes, and I felt obligated to do something - I rallied the other men and said 'we can't let that freak do this, he's going to rape someone'.

Two of them put up mild resistance, but I pressed them and openly denigrated the troon and his behavior to make the point. Despite most of the other men agreeing with me, it derailed the conversation to the point where the meeting broke up and no decision was made. Admittedly, I was incensed by all the weakness around me, so I just went up to the guy and laid him out myself. I reduced him to tears pretty quickly and he left. I considered the matter settled.

Evidently the women claimed my behavior was 'intimidating' and 'hateful' and withing a week I was out. I had known some of those people for 15 years, and I was persona non grata within days...because I didn't want an obvious predator to fucking rape them.

Sounds like you were the hero they needed but not the one they deserved.
They should have fucking thanked you.
I cannot understand why anyone would want a fucking AGP perverted LARPing a pornified parody of womanhood in their group.
Aside from the 100% certainty he's got some sick fucking skeletons in his closet, imagine the smell?
Hygeine ain't exactly a habit with troons.

 

[and I must scream]

In one sentence, I slept on the whole thing, and at one moment I was brutally woken up, and my outlook on life had changed ever since.

I never believed in the idea of "gender identity"; I was simply unaware of the concept up until a few years back. I mean, I'm sure I've heard the term "gender identity", but I just thought this is like the part in your identity that is about your sex, as in being a woman is part of my identity. Like your ethnic heritage is part of your identity, etc. Things I've heard here and there, just went over my head. Like that person who looks like a woman with a beard in the Eurovision - I don't remember if that's a male or a female - I've seen him/her, but didn't think much of it. I heard about non-binary, but I have thought it's just a tumblr thing, like all these ridiculous sexualities they made up. I didn't think anyone other than stupid teenagers takes this thing seriously.

I was what nowadays is called true-trans or truescum - I thought that there are people who suffer from severe mental illness that makes their mind disconnect from their body and believe they should have been born as the other sex. The thing is, I thought that that's what's everyone thought. I thought that everyone understood "transwomen", for example, are men, but they are men who wish to be perceived and refer to as women. I also thought that you are trans only if you "transition" - meaning changing the appearance of your body to one of the other sex. I was very sympathetic and thought that we ought to be kind - they have suffered enough, they have suffered so much they take such drastic measures to change their body - only someone who suffer so greatly from this specific mental illness would do that to themselves, I thought.

Then Rowling wrote her essay and the world exploded. People were accusing her of transphobia, and I was curious. I've never really followed Rolling - I loved Harry Potter as a teen, but didn't care to follow the author - but she is so famous that I've heard enough things to know that she is liberal and, for example, pro-gay - how come she is a transphobe?

I've read her essay. Some of it I didn't understand - what autism has to do with anything? But some of it surprised me, like the part where she talked about how males can now go into women's spaces (bathrooms, showers, etc.) even if they haven't had any surgery. I did not know about this. But what surprised me the most were the people who criticized her, people I have known to be rational, normal, smart, saying she is an awful bigot, saying the whole letter was a "dog whistle" - for example, the part about sex-segregated spaces is a "dog whistle". And I was like... "what's wrong with sex-segregated spaces?" It is such a basic thing, to have asperate spaces for women and men to get dressed, shower, etc.... how can anyone deny the need for this separation? Have you never used a communal showers or dressing rooms before, that you are just fine with doing it in front of members?

I was so perplexed that I started diving in and doing my own research. I was dumbfounded when I finally discovered what "gender identity" means - that everyone has some sense of whether they are men, women, both, neither or something in between, a sense that has nothing to do with what your sex is, and this sense is inherent, you are born with it, and it doesn't change, which is why so many choose to change their body to align with their "sense of selves", and why teens and even kids can be trans too. I was shocked.

The idea that you have some "sense", some "essence" of "gender" in your mind that has nothing to do with the reality of your sexed body or the socialization you went through is so bizarre to me. It just so fundamentally wrong to me I couldn't entertain the thought that this is true for even a second. Like what the fuck, I never had that thing that they claim everyone has. I have no "sense of my gender". I'm just a woman because I was born a female. If I were born a male, I'd have been a man right now. It's that simple. Of course I have thoughts and feelings about being a woman, it is a big part of my life. But my thoughts and feelings don't change the fact that I am a woman, because the material reality is that I'm a female, and have been socialized as such since birth. How can you deny material reality? How is this idea of "gender identity" different than the idea that you have a soul? Most of these people mock the idea of a soul, but claim "gender identity" is "science". How is this science? This is something you can't prove nor disprove, which puts it in the "not science" category immediately.

I kept digging and digging. It only got worst. I've seen how so many of these so-called "trans women" or "women with trans experience" are exhibiting extreme negative, aggressive male behavior, threatening to punch, rape, murder a "terf" - a name they give to every woman who doesn't bow to their ideology completely (I know what the initials mean, but many of these they call "terfs" are not radical feminists, some are not even feminists; all you have to be to be called a "terf" is be a woman). I've discovered autogynephilia - something I wouldn't have believed is real if I haven't read so many posts in places like r/mtf, watched videos and even read some magazine/news/journal etc. articles who showed exactly this behavior (I'd never forget reading in an article by a "transwoman" who breastfed his baby, and said there explicitly that he "gets off of it". He fucking said that). I've discovered "transbians". And these are supposed to be women? Really? They are so clearly perverted, degenerate men.

I've discovered the relation between autism and transition, especially with teenage girls and young women. I've discovered they cut off the breasts of young women, and even teenage girls, starting at 12 years old. I've discovered the affirmation model, how they affirm everyone who claim to be "trans", and give them cross-sex hormones and refer them to "top surgery" without even checking if they have other issues and if these issues might effect these feelings. I've discovered how "trans children" are simply gender-nonconforming children who supposedly claim they are "boys" or "girls". A few months of this is enough to render them "trans kids", and they are supposedly eligible for puberty blockers. Puberty blockers scars the shit out of me - how does anyone thinks that intervening such important, fundamental process of the human body is a good idea? This is horrifying to me.

I can go and on, but this is getting too long and you understand, you've seen it too. I've been asked by the few people I actually tried to talk to seriously about it why do I care so much about it. There are a few reasons but the main one is - I have never seen such a movement that claims to be everything they are not and claims to be against everything they do themselves; a movement that is based on such an obvious lie, lie that every person with one or more of the five senses supposed to be able to point out; and this movement took hold of the media, of legislations, of the academia, of social sciences fields, of the psychology and psychiatry fields, and even on the medical field. They all present things like this is the ultimate truth, and anyone who questions it is silenced, threaten with dismissal and lawsuits, suffer significant social sanctions, defamation, is branded as transphobic, bigot, "terf", Nazi.

I lost so much belief in the psychology and psychiatry fields, in the medical field, in the academic, in the law, so many establishments I just don't believe in anymore or partly don't believe in and suspicious about. They throw away decades, hundreds of years in some cases, of actual science and well researched, reliable, validated studies in human development, sex development, biology, endocrinology, child development and psychology, adolescence development and psychology, and even a millennia of human knowledge you could say, in favor of this new-age nonsense of idea that is illogical, has more holes in it than Swiss cheese and has the scientific reliability of flat earth theory. I lost any belief I had about progressiveness and leftist thought. I lost so much belief in the human race, really. In the idea that we are enlightened, in the comfortable thinking that we are only getting better, that we are smarter than we were, say, a few hundreds years ago. And this is a big loss. I often wish I can go back to being ignorant about all of this again, I'd have been so much happier and hopeful. But once you know, you can't unknow.

So here I am, in one of the only places on the internet you could actually talk about it. Still unbelieving and getting peaked again and again, and even when I think I can't get peaked anymore, there is always something new. I don't think it will last forever, I think at some point the damage would be so big it couldn't be denied any longer. But it could take decades, and so much damage would be done by then. It's truly horrific.

 

[Procrastinhater]

It's better than killing yourself, maybe.

Yeah, if I had a choice between flaying my dick and stuffing it up inside a hole carved in my fucking taint and then having the dilate that fucking atrocity a couple times a day, and eating a mouthfuls of 00 Buckshot, I'm reaching for the Mossberg.
Less painfully, less messy, less disgusting, and less embarrassing, besides which it's easier to deal with for the people you left behind.
Like that old dude on Pet Semetary said sometimes, dead is better....

 

[Bloo]

Another issue I had which heavily pulled me further away from this trans acceptance is that people are now treating these people like babies. Pretending that they're now fully female/male not to upset them. We're now lying to them telling them that after their SRS they now have fully functional working vaginas and penises when they clearly are not. They need to accept what they can and cannot change and they're not doing that. I still understand that actual gender dysphoria is a thing but lying to them about their biological sex is clearly not helpful.

 

[TheCrackMonkey]

For me it was a specific post I saw on Tumblr with a news story about a pedo rapist troon getting arrested, and as you can guess it had a bunch of retards going "No, SHE raped that little girl you heckin' transphobic chud bigot!"

And them doing the same thing with violent criminals who were clearly only claiming to be trans to get into women's prisons sure as shit didn't help either.

 

[Public Disrespector]

Sounds like you were the hero they needed but not the one they deserved.
They should have fucking thanked you.
I cannot understand why anyone would want a fucking AGP perverted LARPing a pornified parody of womanhood in their group.
Aside from the 100% certainty he's got some sick fucking skeletons in his closet, imagine the smell?
Hygeine ain't exactly a habit with troons.

It was my first taste of the levels of self-destruction women will put themselves true to feel like they have power over men.

It won't shock you to hear that the troon in question did eventually get bounced for preying on a young woman with zero social skills, but in a much less public way so as not to give me the satisfaction of an open W.

 

[Savoie]

Super long, sorry!

Like a lot of you guys, I thought for a very long time that this was just another form of self expression that wasn't hurting anyone, I am still absolutely fine with going along with someone's pronouns if they've made a clear attempt to socially transition and if they aren't forcing me to go through mental gymnastics every time I talk to them, and I am still sure that there absolutely are people who are born with an innate sense of their biological sex not matching their self-perception. But goddamn am I over this shit in general. It took almost losing my beloved sibling to wake me the fuck up to how dangerous this ideology really is. Details obviously changed or left out to avoid powerleveling.

My sister started dating this person about 7-8 years ago. This person, who we will call Taylor, looked like a guy. Guy's build, guy's haircut, guy's clothes, guy's hobbies and interests. But, apparently, this person who was born a man and looked like a man and dressed like a man was, in fact, a woman, I really cannot emphasize to you the absolute lack of effort Taylor made to pass or transition or do anything to assert a female identity other than sulking and tantrums when his pronouns weren't instantly respected. To give some examples, when my mom asked for clothing sizes to buy Taylor a gift for his birthday, Taylor gave her men's clothing sizes . Taylor had a crew cut the entire four years I knew him. Taylor never once offered to join the ladies and help clean up after family events (fyi this would literally be the most convincing way to socially transition to any troons reading this), but would instead park himself on the couch with the men of the family.

And yet, this exact same person once burst into tears and refused to speak to my sister for an entire day after a clerk commented that it was a good thing my sister had a strong guy with her when she was buying some heavy stuff. Apparently the entire company was transphobic for not teaching their employees to not assume gender, and my sister was betraying him by not immediately sticking up for him. Another time, he fled to the bathroom during a family viewing of LotR because Eowyn saying she was no man was triggering, somehow. He stayed in there for 45 minutes until my sister gave up and escorted him home. Our other sister was banned from their apartment for inviting them to come along with her to a drag show because obviously that meant that my other sister thought that troons and drag queens were the same thing and was, therefore, a transphobe.

My sister (the one dating Taylor) became noticeably evasive around everyone else, and increasingly family gatherings were spent soothing Taylor or convincing my sister not to follow him when he rushed home in a huff because someone shared their childbirth story without acknowledging that trans women are women too. She began describing herself as a lesbian and, later, experimented with transitioning herself. (The trans identity was dropped within weeks, and I still remember a hilarious moment when Taylor was trying to get her attention and called her genderspecial name like six times before giving up and using her real name.) But the big issue was that we saw my sister less and less, when we did she was never without Taylor, and most of the time spent with her was all about avoiding hurting Taylor's feelings. One by one her friends and family members were singled out and cut off from their lives. Textbook isolation and emotional abuse, but Taylor's dogged insistence on adhering to a trans identity meant that any time we critiqued their relationship it meant that we were transphobes who would never accept my sister's lesbian relationship and therefore needed to be cut out. It took me a long, long time to realize that Taylor was using the trans identity as a cover for abuse (I may be retarded fyi).

It came to a head when my family gathered for a funeral and Taylor hid in the bathroom and then insisted he and my sister leave before the service even started. Our deceased family member was a Disney adult (I KNOW, we all have our faults) and someone was showing an old Mickey Mouse clip they had loved. A comment about Mickey's ridiculous voice was interpreted as transphobia and next thing we knew they were leaving. My dad started ranting about how my sister was being manipulated by "this guy" and I, in all seriousness, said "Taylor's a girl, Dad."

That snapped me out of it. Here I was, scolding my grieving father for not getting my sister's abuser's pronouns right. It was like my retarded ass had finally seen the light. I realized that we were losing my sister to someone who didn't give a shit about her, who had happened upon a foolproof method of control and coercion, and who had us manipulated so much that we were more concerned about adhering to his obviously-fake identity than actually protecting my sister. Obviously Taylor is an extreme example, but the fact that pretty much all of us unquestioningly went along with it for years is an indication of how divorced from reality the whole concept is.

I shudder to think about what might have happened to my sister if we had kept going along with Taylor's ruse. Best case scenario she would have been isolated and miserable in their apartment, cut off from everyone. Ignoring Taylor's stupid gender drama allowed us to actually speak to my sister plainly and clearly. She was furious, and so was Taylor, and for awhile they wouldn't speak to any of us. But then Taylor played his hand too far and kicked her out, obviously trying to scare her into never disobeying again, and my dad came and picked her up. Within days she was off the lease and her stuff was in my parent's garage. Today, years later, she is happy and well-adjusted. Taylor? I have no idea what the fuck happened to him. I'd say I hope his amhole went septic and killed him, but bro couldn't even commit to a wig so there's no way he made that effort.