Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Butterschmalz]

You can have the best military equipment in the world, but if your generals are fucking retarded and know shit-all about strategy, it doesn't matter for spit.

Sheer will, fanaticism, madness, unity with your country man and a willingness to sacrifice your life for god and family will beat any kind of equipment plus any strategic advantage.

 

[Fapcop]

Part of the crisis is that the KMT essentially considered itself the rump government of the mainland Nationalist government, so they spent considerable resources Han-ifying Taiwan, while keeping the the political status of Taiwan in the post-war era as somewhat fuzzy to ensure that they were still entitled to the mainland.

Of course, since they were unable to take back the mainland, this issue had doubled over and bit Taiwan in the ass after the mainland CCP government was deemed the legitimate Chinese government.

If Taiwan had declared independence in the 50s, the political question would have essentially been settled, while the culture left behind by the Japanese + Fujianese settlers and Taiwanese aborigines would have diverged more significantly from mainlander Chinese culture. Of course there's no doubt that the mainland in such a situation would continue to press claims, but their claims would be weaker.

Ironically it’s the younger generations of Taiwanese who are more gung-ho.

I remember an interview with a KMT veteran who said that if the choice is between China moving in and war, he wants a unification because war is so terrible it’s not worth it.

The whole Taiwan situation is of course EXTRA fucked up, because it has been the policy of basically everyone, including the US state department, that there is ONE China, with a capital in Beijing. Making Taiwan solely a domestic issue.

In other news: Azovites are raising a new battalion!



Between all the 50 year old conscripts and this Hitler Jugend nonsense, I’m getting some real ENDKAMPF vibes.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Am I wrong in thinking this situation is gonna deteriorate worse than Afghanistan when things break? It might not be till after the election but I am thinking it will be before the election like July or something. Then they’ll blame republicans trying to get trump elected for it.

 

[Betonhaus]

Am I wrong in thinking this situation is gonna deteriorate worse than Afghanistan when things break? It might not be till after the election but I am thinking it will be before the election like July or something. Then they’ll blame republicans trying to get trump elected for it.

I don't think so, Russia will absorb a good portion of Ukraine and get it up and running again, and Poland will likely take over the rest.

 

[blackjack101]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/fact-sheet-us-assistance-ukraine

178 billion dollars was already invested in this war, Its already impossible to get Congress to pay up and Europe is assuming that Trump will win the election. Sure Europe has the 100 billion euro plan but that is a "5 year fund plan" That does not mean they automatically get 100 billion euros thrown at them for this year but it's for 5 years. With Congress not passing shit and 20 billion euros only gets sent per year Ukraine these following years will be worser now than it was before and the past 2 years they have not achieved much. Pentagon is claiming Russia spent 211 billion dollars on the Ukraine war https://vk.com/wall-25232578_15749035?ysclid=luofd1svi504720103 but it is not affecting them economically. https://tass.com/economy/1769245

NATO is out of super wonder weapon ideas for Ukraine as well.

Manpower is also facing lack of funds despite lowering the draft age. There are still no white vans forcing russians to fight and there are still soo many that are conscripted like they don't have any lacking in funds. The age group around the 20s is not a lot and maybe a good 2 solid years you will get new blood for those that will hit 18 according to that 2023 graphics chart that I posted here earlier.

I dont even think any Ukrainian in Ukraine will have a future and General Shoigu's estimate of the war will end somewhere in 2025 seems more realistic because you need at least 2 years to get more new fresh blood and you will also be looking for grandpas to fight in the war. It looks like there will be less funding these following years than the past 2 years already spent on Ukraine to speed up the systematic killing process the Russians are currently conducting on Ukrainian conscripts.


They went from Ukraine has a 1 million man army plan to, we are having problems trying to get 500,000 people mobilized. Based on the time estimate and the Ukrainian losses there is not much left of Ukraine's age groups demographically. If you somehow manage to pull 500,000 to launch offensives while being on the defensive position as well this year than you are going to have a serious problem for mobilization next year.

We already know the results of this war but what I am waiting on is when it will be my turn to start gloating at the pro-ukraine fans on when half of Ukraine's map gets blotched red, or if some stupid politicians influence their military from their country to shove their cocks into this blender going on. I am sure it would be super difficult for users at the other thread to say I am using Russia propaganda since this post here was me specifically using western and ukrianian propaganda that it is mathematically unfeasible for Ukraine to win the war based on the number of troops both sides have, what funding each have, recorded their actual losses according to publication timeframes I have posted here, and the future of their current demographic claims making mobilization numbers currently difficult for them to attain by reporting their lack of manpower.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

If the CCP decides to get serious, how long would it take for their weapons to get up to spec once heads start rolling?

With Xi as he operates currently? Probably never. He's fixated on being a technological superpower as much as a military superpower, and telling him anything bad is a great way to end up as a rolling head. The best bet China would have to unfuck their shit would be to roll back to 80/90's designs they inherited, unlicensed clones, and all the shit they exported globally, and focus on the numbers game. Their mediocre manufacturing quality wouldn't matter as much for stuff that has decades old tolerances and material quality expectations.

The problem is that you tell Xi that you're cancelling hypersonics production in favor of building thousands of simple ASM's, or that your replacing their future combat rifle with a rollback to a modernized AK clone, and your likely to be promoted to voter in short order, succeeded by the guy who'll totally make even more hypersonics. And frankly, they're already probably at the point where most of the people who'd even try to pivot rather than die on the party line are out the door a while ago.

So, China's military development is probably going to continue to follow its current trends, where they look at what America is doing right now, guess what the next step of that technology curve is, and then rush a fake up into that space to make it look like they've got the bestest and most shiney military. What they should be doing is trying to climb the stepping stones from where they are to where they want to be, so they actually take and learn the lessons and issues of the stuff that came before that's used to influence the next step in the first place. Saves you a lot of pain when you realize that a concept was discarded from future ideas because an earlier tech tried and failed to use it, showing its problems. But that's an engineers curve, not a governments one.

 

[Betonhaus]

Pentagon is claiming Russia spent 211 billion dollars on the Ukraine war https://vk.com/wall-25232578_15749035?ysclid=luofd1svi504720103 but it is not affecting them economically. https://tass.com/economy/1769245

I may be mistaken, but isn't Russia's 211 billion dollar spending just getting reinvested into the Russian economy, as they produce the majority of what they're using and a lot of that money is going to Soldier's paycheques?

With Xi as he operates currently? Probably never. He's fixated on being a technological superpower as much as a military superpower, and telling him anything bad is a great way to end up as a rolling head. The best bet China would have to unfuck their shit would be to roll back to 80/90's designs they inherited, unlicensed clones, and all the shit they exported globally, and focus on the numbers game. Their mediocre manufacturing quality wouldn't matter as much for stuff that has decades old tolerances and material quality expectations.

The problem is that you tell Xi that you're cancelling hypersonics production in favor of building thousands of simple ASM's, or that your replacing their future combat rifle with a rollback to a modernized AK clone, and your likely to be promoted to voter in short order, succeeded by the guy who'll totally make even more hypersonics. And frankly, they're already probably at the point where most of the people who'd even try to pivot rather than die on the party line are out the door a while ago.

So, China's military development is probably going to continue to follow its current trends, where they look at what America is doing right now, guess what the next step of that technology curve is, and then rush a fake up into that space to make it look like they've got the bestest and most shiney military. What they should be doing is trying to climb the stepping stones from where they are to where they want to be, so they actually take and learn the lessons and issues of the stuff that came before that's used to influence the next step in the first place. Saves you a lot of pain when you realize that a concept was discarded from future ideas because an earlier tech tried and failed to use it, showing its problems. But that's an engineers curve, not a governments one.

Couldn't his military advisors show him the results of the Russian war that prove that cheap to mass produce weapons are superior to one-hit-wunderwaffles?

 

[Slur Generator]

To the Chinks face is everything. They would rather live in a shithole that has nice facade just so they can brag to their "friends"

 

[White_N]

Sheer will, fanaticism, madness, unity with your country man and a willingness to sacrifice your life for god and family will beat any kind of equipment plus any strategic advantage.

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There are some things that can shake even the spirit of people who are not intimidated by spartan living conditions in caves or airstrikes

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

There are some things that can shake even the spirit of people who are not intimidated by spartan living conditions in caves or airstrikes
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Fucking "PC Explode Letter", amirite brothers?

 

[SIMIΔN]

The chinks, wanting to learn how to build and operate carriers, bought an ex Soviet carrier from the Ukrainians.

Yep, of all the post-Soviet nations, Ukraine has hurt Australian national security the most.

If Taiwan had declared independence in the 50s, the political question would have essentially been settled, while the culture left behind by the Japanese + Fujianese settlers and Taiwanese aborigines would have diverged more significantly from mainlander Chinese culture. Of course there's no doubt that the mainland in such a situation would continue to press claims, but their claims would be weaker.

It's a strategically important island dramatically restricting Beijing's naval projection. It would have been absorbed decades ago if CKS didn't chose to build a new China there.

The whole Taiwan situation is of course EXTRA fucked up, because it has been the policy of basically everyone, including the US state department, that there is ONE China, with a capital in Beijing. Making Taiwan solely a domestic issue.

Not quite, firstly the USA and others just ACKNOWLEDGE that Beijing holds a "One China Principle", it doesn't mean they ACCEPT it. I acknowledge ChrisChan sees himself as a woman, but I don't fucking agree with his delusion.
Secondly, it says nothing about the capital city of China, officially speaking, the capital of the RoC is still the mainland Chinese city of Nanjing. (The Taiwanese parliament are reluctant to change it because it might cause the communists to attack).

 

[Fapcop]

I don't think so, Russia will absorb a good portion of Ukraine and get it up and running again, and Poland will likely take over the rest.

Hungary and Romania would probably like to wet their beaks as well.

And especially Hungary has a solid claim.

In other news: Western Hypocrisy: #72737



Whaaaa?!? “HOW DARE THEY DO THE RXACT THING THAT WE ARE DOING?!?”

Now when I read about Chinese spy satellites, I got a little curious… How many are there?

Turns out to be A SHITLOAD!!!





Just a snippet btw. The list goes on and on.

Not quite, firstly the USA and others just ACKNOWLEDGE that Beijing holds a "One China Principle", it doesn't mean they ACCEPT it.

My guy… Let’s be real here. There is a reason why the US doesn’t have an embassy in Taiwan, but has a…

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Well whatever the “American Institute” is.

And likewise, where do Taiwanese citizens go to renew their passport when they’re in the US?

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The US doesn’t accept a one China policy? Welp, sure could fool me!

 

[Corn Syrup Connoisseur]

Not quite, firstly the USA and others just ACKNOWLEDGE that Beijing holds a "One China Principle", it doesn't mean they ACCEPT it. I acknowledge ChrisChan sees himself as a woman, but I don't fucking agree with his delusion.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/

The USA administration officially states that they HAVE one China policy. Of course they don't abide by it when it comes to their actions, but it's not just "acknowledgement" of Beijing's position.

 

[sneedpest]

Hungary and Romania would probably like to wet their beaks as well.

And especially Hungary has a solid claim.

In other news: Western Hypocrisy: #72737

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Whaaaa?!? “HOW DARE THEY DO THE RXACT THING THAT WE ARE DOING?!?”

Now when I read about Chinese spy satellites, I got a little curious… How many are there?

Turns out to be A SHITLOAD!!!

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Just a snippet btw. The list goes on and on.


My guy… Let’s be real here. There is a reason why the US doesn’t have an embassy in Taiwan, but has a…

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Well whatever the “American Institute” is.

And likewise, where do Taiwanese citizens go to renew their passport when they’re in the US?

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The US doesn’t accept a one China policy? Welp, sure could fool me!

Russia also recently lunched some satellites as well but not on china`s level

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

The USA administration officially states that they HAVE one China policy. Of course they don't abide by it when it comes to their actions, but it's not just "acknowledgement" of Beijing's position.

Official US policy directly from the State Department's web site:

we do not support Taiwan independence

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/

 

[Corn Syrup Connoisseur]

Estonia didn't want to be left behind the Czechs in mystery shells.

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Exactly where Estonia might source the shells and rockets, Pevkur wouldn’t specify. “Mainly from non-European countries,” he said, “but there are also some in Europe. Unfortunately, I cannot specify. In many cases, the seller themselves does not wish it to be known.”

Pevkur said the shells include NATO-standard 155-millimeter rounds as well as Soviet-standard 152-millimeter rounds and Grad rockets, implying the Estonians are, in part, looking to countries in Eastern Europe and the Balkans. African countries might also be candidates.

This article also has some additional details about the supposed Czech ammunition sources:

The Czech initiative reportedly sourced ammo from South Korea, South Africa and Turkey.

I'm very doubtful.

Time is of the essence. Some of the potential ammo-sellers are willing to take money from Ukraine’s allies or from Russia. First come, first served. “There's a bit of a race against time to see who can secure them first,” Pevkur said.

QUICK, GIVE US MONEY NOW OR RUZZIA WINS.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Sheer will, fanaticism, madness, unity with your country man and a willingness to sacrifice your life for god and family will beat any kind of equipment plus any strategic advantage.

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Not true. Anyone can be beaten if their enemy has the will to actually defeat them. The USA has had no Will To Win since WW2. The solution to dealing with the Taliban was very simple: complete extermination of the Pashtun. This was quite achievable but politically distasteful.

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

Estonia didn't want to be left behind the Czechs in mystery shells.
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This article also has some additional details about the supposed Czech ammunition sources:

I'm very doubtful.

Jesus fucking Christ, this guy really has no shame, does he

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Couldn't his military advisors show him the results of the Russian war that prove that cheap to mass produce weapons are superior to one-hit-wunderwaffles?

No. The problem isn't evidence or how to present it, the problem is that questioning Xi's decisions is paramount to questioning his right to rule. If you imply he is wrong about what the military needs to do, you're opening the door to questioning whatever else he's wrong about. The goal of the government under Xi is to not ensure the best China by the best means as determined by those best suited to making those deicisions. The goal is to act as the executive arm, all of it, to achieve Xi's goals as stated by Xi. He's actively defanged every other part of the government, including the parts under him, to avoid anyone making a decision or a call without asking him what they should do.

If Xi decides to learn from Russia's invasion, then Tomorrow the Chinks would ditch all the shit and swap to mass produced arms. But its up to him, anyone surfacing any comparisons, suggestions, or alterations to try and change his mind will be replaced, because he's already decided that advanced technology is the key to the future of warfare, and the massed cheap stuff is just filler to buy time until he's got killbots or some shit.

Remember, dictators love the idea of autonomous weapons and supertech, because its far easier to keep tens of thousands of drone operators and maintenance people safe, happy and rich by normal standards, than it is to do so for five million grunts. Loyalty becomes far less of an issue with that kind of situation, in their eyes.

 

[Fapcop]

Not true. Anyone can be beaten if their enemy has the will to actually defeat them. The USA has had no Will To Win since WW2. The solution to dealing with the Taliban was very simple: complete extermination of the Pashtun. This was quite achievable but politically distasteful.

That’s the problem with being a goon for the NWO and Globohomo.

At some point the guy who was naive enough to believe the whole “your country needs you!” shpiel takes a look around, looks at the Hindu Kush mountains and the hateful eyes of the locals and can’t help but go: “What the fuck am I doing here?!?”

Personally I knew that the war on terror was lost when I read an article about the logistical problems in keeping a Baskin Robbins or Burger King supplied on military bases in Afghanistan.

Russian soldiers in Ukraine think it’s a luxury to get a few days off once in a while, and go to a sauna, a church or a well stocked kitchen in the rear.

The Taliban will trek for weeks in mountains to set up an ambush against the American invaders.

And goddamn Tyrone and Jose gots to have their ice cream in the middle of bumfuck Afghanistan, at lord only knows what price to the taxpayers, because we can’t have the troops be grouchy now, can we?!