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InactiveByuu / byuu_nyan / setsunakun0 / Near / David Ginder - "Non-binary" furry programmer who wrote a Super Nintendo emulator, tried to blackmail Null into removing his thread, and is probably actually dead lol
He moved on the moment he couldn't squeeze any more milk out of the byuu drama for his own benefit. He can't really address it without admitting that his DKF movement utterly failed in its goals and nobody actually cares. I might also speculate that he doesn't want to rock the boat too much, lest he be outed as "lina" (and a pervert) in an undeniable way.
Near stated he was going to kill himself because a friend disowned him over an untrue and baseless statement in the thread that he was a pedophile. If it was an allegation that wasn't backed up by anything then why was it allowed to stay up to begin with? The post I originally replied to said "any mature sane person would side with us" and I'm saying that isn't the case. It is objectively not the case. A mature and sane person would ask why that allegation was made and why the lie was allowed stay up, evidently to publicly taunt him.
If Byuu's friend cut off contact due to something he read on Kiwifarms, that means that A: the friend is a Kiwifarms reader, and B: he believed a random Kiwi over his "friend" Byuu with, according to you, no evidence. Seems like there are some issues there that have nothing to do with Kiwifarms and everything with dumb drama in Byuu's personal life.
You keep talking about "allegations" and "lies". This isn't a court of justice, it's a forum for gossiping and lolcows. People are allowed to speculate and sperg and other people are allowed to disagree. The thread wasn't made to taunt Byuu, it was made because he was a public figure on the Internet that people gossip about. And he started posting cringe babyfur shit which caused people to make fun of him. Byuu had a job and a husband. nobody was unpersoning him for what some randoms called him on this forum.
I've been called pedo, nazi, subhuman and worse on Reddit and Twitter based on nothing more than disagreeing with the people who called me those things. Should I get a lawyer and take these "allegations" seriously and threaten to off myself?
A FULL FUCKING HOUR. I do not apologize for thinking at the time that this was such utterly vile, subhuman behavior that not even a troon would do it. I stand corrected.
Revisiting this with all the additional context, a bit of a ghoulish theory has occurred to me and I almost feel bad speculating about it. Maybe he didn't mean to kill himself? I mean he obviously did at the point of putting his head in the noose, but revisiting the runup has made me think.
He doxed himself. Given his paranoia, he might have assumed we'd track him down within hours, and he seemingly went to bed and slept for around 12 hours.
His dox was only his face and first name. That is largely what did dox him, along with the business cards he sent Null - I think he was identified within a day, although the business card info wasn't revealed by Null until after he was dead. It took a long time to dig up enough corroborating info to be confident the dox was correct, though.
He hadn't turned up for work on Friday
The company hadn't phoned in a wellbeing check, likely because he often worked from home.
The office was closed over the weekend and was unable to respond to inquiries on the Sunday.
He then emailed Null because Null hadn't replied, and he announced he was killing himself having already signposted it the night before.
Null was probably asleep but Byuu (who it's noted wasn't exactly thinking clearly) may have not considered timezones.
Null also had no obligation to help someone who'd just tried to extort him (and had previously suicide baited), but if you're impulsively threatening to off yourself because you're impatient, you might not be considering that holistically.
Null had no idea who Byuu was beyond a first name - but Null is God Emperor of the Dox Squad so surely could track him down within hours, right?
He then tweeted out a series of tweets announcing his attention to commit suicide.
Multiple people got in touch with both the American Embassy in Japan and the Tokyo police force, but they either had no real idea of his identity or were calling quite a few hours later.
Earlier replies were mostly just people wishing him goodbye or eulogising him
He took 10 codeine tablets. Unless he got really high dose ones, they're what, 30mg? So 300mg codeine? I don't know that this would be enough to kill someone even in combination with the antihistamines - would probably knock you out, but I'm not sure. It's possible that would be lethal, but I think with medical attention you'd probably be ok (you'd just feel terrible).
On the other hand, when the police actually did turn up (twice - once "late afternoon" and once "early evening") they just tried to look in his room and kept trying to phone him. It wasn't until the next day when he didn't turn up for work again that they broke down the door.
He messaged Blumier a link to his twitter thread announcing suicide.
Blumier didn't reply, so he followed up with more messages 40 minutes later, saying "it was too late".
Blumier's only response is to say "this is a lot" and thanking him for being a good friend.
Blumier probably didn't know Byuu's address or name, but seemingly made no effort to contact Japanese authorities to alert them.
He then phoned this mystery person (who was probably Hector Martin).
Googledoc: At 11:45 on Sunday, I was on a phone call with Near. They’d just taken a large overdose of codeine and guanfancine. I saw a photo of the noose. 30 minutes into the call, Les Voyages De L'âme by Alcest started playing at the other end. I wouldn’t hear their voice again.
Police report: Mr BLANK said that he spoke to Mr. Ginder at 11:11 am that day for an hour before he just started hear music on loop for another hour
Either way, Byuu was talking to them for a long time but apparently no effort was made to contact authorities during this call and Byuu just gave up at that point (highly inebriated from alcohol, a codeine overdose and drowsy amphetamines - so more likely to do something even more impulsive)
This person didn't make contact with local authorities until 5pm.
There's some flaws in my schizotheory - why didn't he contact his husband or other friend, why didn't he realise all these people wouldn't know where he was, why didn't he just wait a bit longer. But people in that state are impulsive and irrational I knew someone who took an overdose and changed her mind - but rather than calling an ambulance she called an old friend for help as she was passing out. Old friend didn't know her address. By the time the ambulance and police got to the right place, it was too late.
Either way there's a bit of a repeated theme here where instead of doing what any responsible person would do - immediately contact emergency services and start reaching out to people if you don't have more information - Byuu's closest "friends" instead basically say "oh no goodbye, it's been so nice talking to you".
That was NOT Hector, who just shared the Google doc with that bizarre tale of ghoulishly waiting and listening to some French metal music until he was certain the guy was dead, then waiting a couple more hours to be sure so he could go tell the Internet about it before the police. At least that's the only motive I can think of for that behavior, which was so insanely bizarre and ghoulish that it beggared belief, but now seems actually to be true.
This is what a troon does when someone kills himself, just sits there jerking off for an hour before deciding to go to the Internet with it. And maybe, eventually, when the buzz wears off, possibly calling emergency services. With "friends" like this, who needs the Farms?
I'm pretty sure the anonymous person was in fact Hector. The googledoc has been somewhat convincingly been matched using stylometric analysis, and I just did my own little deep dive - plus if you font-match some of the redacted sections and overtype them, his name would actually fit.
(These have not been unredacted, you cannot undo this type of redaction as the data is removed from the file by Acrobat. This is me typing e.g. "another hour. Mr Martin gave" and seeing if the spacing lines up - the second one is a bit off as it's a scan of a print).
One thing's for certain, the FOIA docs Null posted put the lie to the Wayne Beckett larp in his happenings thread. Beckett claimed to be his employer, but Byuu's employer was a Japanese man who didn't speak much English. IMO, Beckett was most likely Hector or one of his circle.
The Japanese point-of-contact who didn't speak much English and "reluctantly" agreed to help was not his boss - he was a coworker at Cyber Gadget Corporation, who'd rarely met Byuu in person but had spent time with him on work trips and helped Byuu with his Japanese over email. It seems like part of the reason he "reluctantly" agreed to help was because the company wanted their computers and equipment back, and so by agreeing to help clean the apartment out they'd be able to get them back immediately. (Although I'm not saying Hiromi only did it for the reason, it does seem like he was saddened by Byuu's passing).
The ashes were given to an unnamed third party who knew Byuu. He's the person who said Byuu didn't travel anywhere and so couldn't have a favourite spot to be scattered in. This person was probably Wayne. Wayne had been his previous employer via his company partnering with or temporarily owning Cyber Gadget Corporation (I can't be bothered to dig it out right now), and there may have been ongoing contracts between the two we didn't uncover. It makes sense if Hiromi felt uncomfortable finding a location for a coworker he didn't really know, and thought the white guy boss/former-boss might have a better idea, since the ashes were then not scattered on the grounds that maybe they'd just ship them over to Byuu's husband.
I really don't think Hector had any connection with Byuu after that phonecall ended, which is why he never provided any proof despite supposedly having ample proof.
Fuck anyone who thinks it was wrong to discount an outlandish tale from someone who lied about obvious shit, fabricated documents, and deliberately obfuscated everything about the event in question. They should join Byuu in Hell.
"But NOOOOOOO you have to believe anything some guy is saying without evidence even if he's also saying the sky is green!" Fuck you.
One thing's for certain, the FOIA docs Null posted put the lie to the Wayne Beckett larp in his happenings thread. Beckett claimed to be his employer, but Byuu's employer was a Japanese man who didn't speak much English. IMO, Beckett was most likely Hector or one of his circle.
But we should have just believed a liar, who was obviously lying, that the things he wasn't obviously lying about were somehow true. That did turn out to be the case, but "don't believe obvious liars" is still a good rule.
I've been called pedo, nazi, subhuman and worse on Reddit and Twitter based on nothing more than disagreeing with the people who called me those things. Should I get a lawyer and take these "allegations" seriously and threaten to off myself?
I once left a forum and it had some retard on it totally obsessed with me (that was not the reason I left), and I went back literally years later and he was still randomly accusing anyone who disagreed with him of being me. That was a hoot.
If Byuu's friend cut off contact due to something he read on Kiwifarms, that means that A: the friend is a Kiwifarms reader, and B: he believed a random Kiwi over his "friend" Byuu with, according to you, no evidence. Seems like there are some issues there that have nothing to do with Kiwifarms and everything with dumb drama in Byuu's personal life.
You keep talking about "allegations" and "lies". This isn't a court of justice, it's a forum for gossiping and lolcows. People are allowed to speculate and sperg and other people are allowed to disagree. The thread wasn't made to taunt Byuu, it was made because he was a public figure on the Internet that people gossip about. And he started posting cringe babyfur shit which caused people to make fun of him. Byuu had a job and a husband. nobody was unpersoning him for what some randoms called him on this forum.
People who don't use this site (close to 100% of people minus at most a couple thousand) see it as a targeted harassment site, not a "gossip site". During the DKF movement which trended on twitter for several weeks I saw a lot of people engaging with the site's concept and nobody defending it. What I did see was a lot of people finding the concept offensive and wondering why it was legal. If you search the site on reddit you're going to see more of the same from people who don't post here, namely disgust and a lot of repetition of the site's "kill count".
The post I originally replied to stated that "mature, sane people" would see what happened with Near as not your fault. If you venture outside of here you can see that isn't the case. To the extent I wonder how any of you function socially outside of here where you can reaffirm these ideas to yourselves, honestly.
I've been called pedo, nazi, subhuman and worse on Reddit and Twitter based on nothing more than disagreeing with the people who called me those things. Should I get a lawyer and take these "allegations" seriously and threaten to off myself?
If it was a fanatic exploiting your mental illness who posted your full name, your "dead name", your physical address, discussions you've had with other individuals that you thought were private and continuously reinforced the idea they were part of an inescapable panopticon? You tell me.
There's some flaws in my schizotheory - why didn't he contact his husband or other friend, why didn't he realise all these people wouldn't know where he was, why didn't he just wait a bit longer.
I don't think these are flaws. We worked out earlier that Byuu got estranged from his husband. Why would he call him if he had no contact to him for a long time? I think it makes more sense from a human perspective to call people you talk or chat with every day.
I think his autism and overdose made him not ask for help. Him contacting them was his cry for help and hoped they got the hint, but as you said the people just said "Oh no. Good bye". And who knew his address anyway? Byuu was paranoid. Probably only Hector knew.
The only thing in this I don't understand yet is why Byuu fixated on the farms in the last days of his life? A site he interacted 2 or 3 times with and according to his own words didn't care that much about. The only explanation we have was an onlined friend of his having a thread on here and being devastated.
To be certain we'd need more info on his online friends, if there was somebody other than Hector that could have been in the call and what their problem with the farms was/ is.
I'm pretty sure the anonymous person was in fact Hector. The googledoc has been somewhat convincingly been matched using stylometric analysis, and I just did my own little deep dive - plus if you font-match some of the redacted sections and overtype them, his name would actually fit.
I will say, whoever this anonymous person was was most likely Japanese because the time stamps from the call don't make sense otherwise and the googledoc talks about meeting up with Byuu in Akihabara. The police emails don't mention where they call from but they do mention the caller's location for the guys who called from the Netherlands and France, so likely they don't mention the caller's location if they were calling from Japan. I've asked before if there were any other people living in Japan who might have known Byuu besides Hector and the list of known candidates is barren.
If it was a fanatic exploiting your mental illness who posted your full name, your "dead name", your physical address, discussions you've had with other individuals that you thought were private and continuously reinforced the idea they were part of an inescapable panopticon? You tell me.
Nobody even knew he had a mental illness and in fact he engaged with this thread very positively in early 2020. Literally nobody knew his physical address or revealed private discussions with other individuals or even knew what any part of his real name was, let alone his full name. I don't know if by "dead name" you are referring to "Byuu" rather than "Near" but plenty of people outside the farms still called him Byuu.
I will say, whoever this anonymous person was was most likely Japanese because the time stamps from the call don't make sense otherwise and the googledoc talks about meeting up with Byuu in Akihabara. The police emails don't mention where they call from but they do mention the caller's location for the guys who called from the Netherlands and France, so likely they don't mention the caller's location if they were calling from Japan. I've asked before if there were any other people living in Japan who might have known Byuu besides Hector and the list of known candidates is barren.
Nobody even knew he had a mental illness and in fact he engaged with this thread very positively in early 2020. Literally nobody knew his physical address or revealed private discussions with other individuals or even knew what any part of his real name was, let alone his full name. I don't know if by "dead name" you are referring to "Byuu" rather than "Near" but plenty of people outside the farms still called him Byuu.
I guess what I should just say is that I don't think a lot of you are functional human beings if you don't understand something as basic as why people are blaming you for a guy's death when you published a lie that he was a pedophile and refused to redact it with no further evidence.
Is that easier for you? I mean, you know what? Can anybody really call Null functional?
I guess what I should just say is that I don't think a lot of you are functional human beings if you don't understand something as basic as why people are blaming you for a guy's death when you published a lie that he was a pedophile and refused to redact it with no further evidence.
Is that easier for you? I mean, you know what? Can anybody really call Null functional?
I'm sure someone calling him a pedophile on an old obscure 13 page forum topic made him not show up for work and have his electricty shut off. I'm sure the dang dirty kiwifarms stole his suicide note too just to avoid blame and keep it out of the hands of japanese police. Damn, you really backed null into a corner this time
I guess what I should just say is that I don't think a lot of you are functional human beings if you don't understand something as basic as why people are blaming you for a guy's death when you published a lie that he was a pedophile and refused to redact it with no further evidence.
Is that easier for you? I mean, you know what? Can anybody really call Null functional?
You seem quite triggered by this detail. Have you yourself been called a paedophile on the internet? Did you feel that the accusation that you were a paedophile was not adequately supported by the evidence?
People of actual moral fiber are too busy being responsible, by holding down a job or caring for family. They don't have time to sit in judgment over trending controversies on Twitter. You know who does have that time? Parasites on welfare, trannies and other lefties with too many condishuns to work. When your material needs are met by daddy government, you can play philosophaster all day online.
If you search the site on reddit you're going to see more of the same from people who don't post here, namely disgust and a lot of repetition of the site's "kill count".
Reddit destroyed every homosexual subreddit and every women's subreddit, all for trannies. Reddit culls dissent and represents nothing. It's a lobotomized community if a community at all.
If it was a fanatic exploiting your mental illness who posted your full name, your "dead name", your physical address, discussions you've had with other individuals that you thought were private and continuously reinforced the idea they were part of an inescapable panopticon? You tell me.
- No one in Japan knew or cared who he was.
- His thread was dead.
-"Dead name" is not an offense.
- Public information is by definition public and not private.
I guess what I should just say is that I don't think a lot of you are functional human beings if you don't understand something as basic as why people are blaming you for a guy's death when you published a lie that he was a pedophile and refused to redact it with no further evidence.
Is that easier for you? I mean, you know what? Can anybody really call Null functional?
I can understand why people would blame us for that. That doesn't mean it's correct.
Let me spell this out for you: False accusations of pedophilia are usually horrible because most of the time you will lose your job, your family members will grow distant and your entire social life will be ruined. That didn't happen here. Nobody ever fired him from his job or cut ties between his family. In fact he actually isolated himself by running away to Japan, almost never going outside his apartment and never telling his husband basically anything. And that illustrates how much of his circumstances were solely down to things he could control, rather than what some random forum thread said about him.
If he emailed Null asking only for the false accusations to be taken down, I'm sure Null would have obliged. Instead he gave a laundry list of complaints to address, threatened to kill himself, tried to bribe with $120k and didn't even give Null enough time to respond before offing himself anyway.
People who don't use this site (close to 100% of people minus at most a couple thousand) see it as a targeted harassment site, not a "gossip site". During the DKF movement which trended on twitter for several weeks I saw a lot of people engaging with the site's concept and nobody defending it. What I did see was a lot of people finding the concept offensive and wondering why it was legal. If you search the site on reddit you're going to see more of the same from people who don't post here, namely disgust and a lot of repetition of the site's "kill count".
Close to 100% of the people who don't use this site have no fucking idea what it is and don't give a shit. And roughly the same proportion of people think a weirdo necking himself over a website is fucking dumb. Close to 100% of the people who do find out will be secretly disgusted by his lifestyle, and close to 100% of those people are too scared to say that out loud.
Reddit is a cesspit of weirdos and you should never go there
At some point when you make it past adolescence and in some cases even before then, an inability to accept vast and legitimate criticism from other people especially when they are calling you a criminal and an anti-social freak isn't something to be smug about, it's actually just you flaunting that you're mentally ill in a way that makes the rest of society think you should be sequestered from others to prevent you from harming them. It makes "sane mature" people think your attitude and social shortcomings have probably stunted you pretty significantly and made your own life worse, as well.
Unrelated, my SSI check came in so time to throw another $1000 at the only nerd that makes me forget what a loser I am.
At some point when you make it past adolescence and in some cases even before then, an inability to accept vast and legitimate criticism from other people especially when they are calling you a criminal and an anti-social freak isn't something to be smug about, it's actually just you flaunting that you're mentally ill in a way that makes the rest of society think you should be sequestered from others to prevent you from harming them. It makes "sane mature" people think your attitude and social shortcomings have probably stunted you pretty significantly and made your own life worse, as well.
Unrelated, my SSI check came in so time to throw another $1000 at the only nerd that makes me forget what a loser I am.
At some point when you make it past adolescence and in some cases even before then, an inability to accept vast and legitimate criticism from other people especially when they are calling you a criminal and an anti-social freak isn't something to be smug about, it's actually just you flaunting that you're mentally ill in a way that makes the rest of society think you should be sequestered from others to prevent you from harming them. It makes "sane mature" people think your attitude and social shortcomings have probably stunted you pretty significantly and made your own life worse, as well.
I guess what I should just say is that I don't think a lot of you are functional human beings if you don't understand something as basic as why people are blaming you for a guy's death when you published a lie that he was a pedophile and refused to redact it with no further evidence.
Nobody lied about him being a paedophile. They noticed he had a babyfur fursona* and seemingly interacted with others in that space (one that he'd openly linked to his main twitter account). That made people be suspicious that he might be a paedophile, which isn't unreasonable because most normies find that disturbing and paedophilic, it's not just us. Then they speculated the reason he was so paranoid about opsec and so upset with this dead thread that had barely any info was that there might be something dark he was trying to hide, or that he didn't run away from home but was kicked out because he was caught watching suspect porn.
It was baseless speculation but it wasn't anyone stating it as fact - the posts were very much "hey I think this might be the case, why don't we try digging into his early life to try and find more". I personally think it was pretty dumb speculation as obviously he was a bullied autistic gay kid who ran away from home and was just super paranoid (before falling into internet degeneracy), but people are allowed to speculate (go on any "snark" subreddit or celebrity gossip site and you'll see worse) - and at that point in time, nobody even knew anything about that, he was just a weird emulator nerd who went on rants and had a babyfur persona. There was no way for anyone to link Byuu to David Ginder.
*Byuu's claim is he wanted a fursona and asked his friend to make one with no information, and his friend drew a babyfur, and he didn't want to be rude to his friend so he posted it. That is not very believable.
At some point when you make it past adolescence and in some cases even before then, an inability to accept vast and legitimate criticism from other people especially when they are calling you a criminal and an anti-social freak isn't something to be smug about, it's actually just you flaunting that you're mentally ill in a way that makes the rest of society think you should be sequestered from others to prevent you from harming them.
Because they are furries/trannies or allied with furries/trannies. Easy. For proof of this, observe how these same people reacted when hbomberguy cybermurdered someone.
