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The doctrine of a "gender identity" that is innate, real, linked to your body but unobservable by any scientific apparatus is pretty much just the doctrine of the soul with the serial numbers filed off.
Inactive Byuu / byuu_nyan / setsunakun0 / Near / David Ginder - "Non-binary" furry programmer who wrote a Super Nintendo emulator, tried to blackmail Null into removing his thread, and is probably actually dead lol
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I still have so many questions.
At the time of his suicide, this thread had been up for 3 years. Why, on June 26, 2021, did byuu decide today’s the day, I’m going all in, I’m e-mailing Josh Moon as a last-ditch effort to get him to remove the thread, offering him my life savings, or I’m gonna kill myself, this is it, all or nothing. Something before that must have triggered him. What was it? I’m reading that this guy had periods where he’d be really active online and then periods where he’d disappear from social media. Before his last Twitter (which only contains his suicide note), was he at all active anywhere online? He said he’d deleted all his social media, but was he on discord or anywhere? What was happening, who was he in communication with, what online communities was he spending his time in? I’m thinking something must have happened.
I’m also curious about his emails with Josh. I notice they were responding back and forth pretty quickly, Josh was responding to him within a short time span for 3 of his emails, the second to last one being Josh asking byuu to send him his resume, see if they can work something out. byuu then responded with his resume and answers to other questions. Why didn’t Josh reply after that? Not judging, just curious. Did he ever intend to respond when byuu sent his resume? Did he stop responding at the advice of his attorney?
At the time of his suicide, this thread had been up for 3 years. Why, on June 26, 2021, did byuu decide today’s the day, I’m going all in, I’m e-mailing Josh Moon as a last-ditch effort to get him to remove the thread, offering him my life savings, or I’m gonna kill myself, this is it, all or nothing. Something before that must have triggered him. What was it? I’m reading that this guy had periods where he’d be really active online and then periods where he’d disappear from social media. Before his last Twitter (which only contains his suicide note), was he at all active anywhere online? He said he’d deleted all his social media, but was he on discord or anywhere? What was happening, who was he in communication with, what online communities was he spending his time in? I’m thinking something must have happened.
I’m also curious about his emails with Josh. I notice they were responding back and forth pretty quickly, Josh was responding to him within a short time span for 3 of his emails, the second to last one being Josh asking byuu to send him his resume, see if they can work something out. byuu then responded with his resume and answers to other questions. Why didn’t Josh reply after that? Not judging, just curious. Did he ever intend to respond when byuu sent his resume? Did he stop responding at the advice of his attorney?
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We have a saying here that goes something like: "You know, shit must be really tasty, no way all those flies are wrong".
Not pushing back in any way (such as archiving their deranged/dangerous/nefarious/hilarious antics) against insane people has lead to downfall of SA, Twitter, erosion of free speech on the Internet, grooming of children and so on.
The only consequence the thread had (according to Byuu himself) was that he lost a friend over pedo allegations.
How convenient a troon trusted the farms as a source.
How weird that most of the allegations were fueled by his babyfur avatar he could have stopped using at any moment.
Almost always a suicide is a result of a long-term spiral. Steadily worsening mental state with various sources of influence. Basically always a clinical depression. Increasing isolation and disintegration of any normal behavior patterns. Basically Cosmo/Narcissa Wright's streams at his lowest (very surprising he didn't kill himself actually).
Alleging that Byuu killed himself only/mainly because ontologically evil Kiwi farms lead by a stochastic terrorist Joah Judas Moon refused to delete his thread that tortured him for whole 13 pages is insulting intelligence of anyone who reads it.
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The timezones involved see a 7 to 8 hour time difference between the two; if my memory serves, Null went to bed but Byuu kept replying while Null was asleep.
Edit: https://kiwifarmsaaf4t2h7gc3dfc5ojh...-meltdown-of-2021.93623/page-310#post-9335149
This post has the timezone normalized timeline, in Serbia time, Japan time, and Eastern US time, for reference.
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The times of their 3 back and forth exchanges range from around 12:50pm to 2:30pm. byuu then followed up with his last email 12 hours later, at what it says to be around 3am. Josh Moon also stated in a thread addressing the backlash that byuu killed himself around 3am “my time,” so I’m going to assume the times on the emails he posted are accurate.
I think people are confusing Josh being asleep when byuu sent his last email with the 3 exchanges that occurred 12-14 hours earlier, at what would have been mid-afternoon, Josh’s time.
EDIT: Reading the linked thread, tho, I’m sensing Josh may have expected byuu to wait a little longer than 12 hours, since he told him he’d have to consult his attorney.
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Considering byuu offed himself around 1pm japan time it's safe to say null was asleep
I’m talking about the 3 exchanges before that, which were around 12-14 hrs earlier, around 12:50pm-2pm Josh’s time. I’m guessing he felt it best not to respond further without consulting his attorney, first. Reading the emails, it seems like he was semi-open to the idea (who wouldn’t be?), but worried about the legal implications of it and wanted to consult with his attorney to see if there was a way to make it work, probably not that exact scenario, but something mutually beneficial. It also seemed like he was potentially prepared to offer him a job of sorts.
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Never understood why trannys are tempted to come into threads like this and bemoan that we're bullying the retarded. Seriously niggers, your solution to handling mental illness involves turning your crotches into rejected Arby's meat crafts and encouraging children to do the same. I'll take being accused of hurting feelings over promoting self-mutilation.
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Manic depression and autism / OCD could well explain it.
He was trying to erase everything of his online presence, for whatever reason. With the suicide planned in advance of even contacting Null, I think he ended up blaming him out of frustration when he couldn’t get his final wish.
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The only response (if any) that he deserved to his emails was "do whatever you want". Suicide baiters deserve no more.
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I think you might have nailed it, he wasn't interesting enough to have more then a few page thread so nobody dug through his doxx. So all those alts and aliases he may have were likely long gone by the time he contacted Null.
It would also explain why he was one of the most difficult cows to track, everything was gone long before people started digging again which is not the normal behavior that gets dealt with.
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Twitter before Elon Musk bought it actively and intentionally sought to manipulate and deceive its userbase.
Reddit still does this. It destroys subreddits composed of tens and thousands of users, practices shadow banning, and has its own moderators hijack subreddits.
It's awful. Don't value their users contempt, it's worthless.
Reddit ideologues is a representative sample of manipulated, deceived victims.
"Because to them it would be unthinkable to make the thread"
- Reddit, Twitter, Facebook et al are fine with making threads criticizing and mocking people. As are journalists. As are all progressives. The difference between them and KF is that they are fine with lying.
"in the first place since they have jobs and families and non"
- a lot of the activists you are taken to be the 'normal' people are unemployed
"insane minds so they don't have any impulse to document and harass every literal nobody on the internet who is slightly eccentric."
- This is three times incorrect.
"There's a big red warning when you make an account on this site to conceal your information, you can't advertise yourselves as dangerous and destructive"
- The warning is not because KF is dangerous, but because the Internet is, especially because people might target you for posting here. Hiding your identity is a very basic internet security. It's something everyone should do.
"and then deny everything when being dangerous and destructive leads to consequences on individual lives."
- You should not be able to coerce people by threats of harming yourself. Suicide baiting is a red flag for an abuser. And I've seen the 'consequences on individual lives' for being able to coerce people into silence, so no thanks.
" By the way why was Null happily sitting on the FOIA confirmation of Near's death while he was accusing Keffals of causing someone's suicide? Is he a lying little gremlin who doesn't respect the intelligence of his audience or something? Seems like it to me."
He literally featured the information on the front page of his website once it was somewhat confirmed. The only reason why you can be bothered to be here at the moment is because people on Kiwi Farms bothered to check up on what actually happened.
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It still makes me smile when I think about the lulzworthy "these sanctions are very serious" modmail the moderators of /r/Drama received from reddit staff well after they successfully migrated to the offsite. They don't want the users of subreddits they don't like taking their community elsewhere even when that community is one that they have open contempt for. I wish that company and all who work for it the very worst, and I will cherish that beautiful moment of impotent seethe we were gifted from the admins for the rest of my days.
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Byuu was mentally ill. His actions reflected his mental state. He threatened null because in his own mind, there was no other way. You cannot expect a mentally ill, unstable retard to act logically or have sympathy when they are about to hang themselves.
It is a tragedy, no death like this should be celebrated. No one won. It is simply a disaster.
It is a tragedy, no death like this should be celebrated. No one won. It is simply a disaster.
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My opinion to this is that Null should have shared the document earlier with the clear disclaimer that this is unverifiable. But I can understand, considering how contentious and actually dangerous this whole debacle was for KF, that he wanted to make sure everything he shares has hand and foot.
It makes him look bad now in hindsight, especially to any and all detractors, but what else is new?
It makes him look bad now in hindsight, especially to any and all detractors, but what else is new?
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Actually, they wouldn't. In polite society they would, but there's been people killing themselves over callouts time and again.
You know who doesn't seem to have a thread here? Colleen Ballinger aka Miranda Sings. She's had her entire career destroyed because she's been a complete creep - sending used lingerie to adolescent fans, having private sexually charged conversations with minors and using children as sexual jokes in her stage shows. Her defence is that she has poor boundaries and is a lonely person, so was inappropriate but was not a paedophile. When she put out her unhinged video "Toxic Gossip Train" detailing (to ukelele music) how much this was impacting her and how it was making her sick, people used their real names and faces to point and laugh on YouTube and TikTok because it was such a clear manipulation tactic. Where did I go to find this out? Reddit. There's a whole subreddit dedicated to her and hounding her about it, compiling unverified leaks from private messages and claims from people who knew her.
Byuu, under his own username, wrote a defence of shotacon. Byuu, using an account he linked on his main twitter, released a fursona that eroticised children. Byuu publicly interacted with people that were open about their sexual attraction towards children. This thread documented that. It's so common on twitter that it didn't even get much notice - just another weird programmer who was a babyfur, we have tonnes of threads on that type. Nobody pursued Byuu over this from KF. If someone read this thread and cut ties with him, it was only because we'd compiled stuff they could have found anyway into one easy to read place, and the majority of angst that Byuu had was that his friends were getting harassed as a result of this thread - which they weren't, they either were facing scrutiny elsewhere for their own public actions or they were being harassed by their own communities for internal drama, whether that was programmer drama, zoophile (animal rapist) drama or run-of-the-mill trans-on-trans cancellation.
Plenty of normal people will send screenshots of chats to their friends to laugh at. They'll gradually ghost a depressed person or a unstable person for being a bit of a drag or "too much drama". They'll fill newspaper columns with speculation about public figures. They'll tweet about it. The namesake of this forum is Chris-Chan and he's the laughing stock of the Internet - people go to Halloween parties dressed as him (it's just most people aren't online enough to know who that is, but since the merge you'd be surprised).
The reason this forum has so many caveats about hiding your true identity is simply because over the last decade the Internet has become hostile to people scrutinising a certain protected class, one that's terminally online and often can take up the position of unpaid moderators. One that can leverage polite society to "cancel" people. The people who want to take us down the most are not morally upstanding citizens, they're people with something to hide who don't like there's a record of dodgy looking things they tweeted out publicly linked to their names, thinking they were talking to a limited audience but have now deleted because they're subject to scrutiny.
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Reddit is a highly skewed sample of the Anglosphere, particularly North America, with its characteristic "progressive" identity politics (more on this below).
(Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/reddit-users-by-country)
(Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/517259/reddit-user-distribution-usa-political-spectrum/
https://archive.md/ )
Reddit is replete with sexual fetishistic material—images, fantasies, discussions—concerned with, for example, forced feminization, incest, necrophilia, and bestiality. These have the effect of repelling "regular people."
The largest age cohort on Reddit is the 18-29. This cohort doesn't qualify as "mature."
(Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/261766/share-of-us-internet-users-who-use-reddit-by-age-group/)
So, Reddit isn't as you are attempting to characterize it.
It is also "criminal" to your "sane" Redditors to:
- "deadname" a tranny;
- use the word tranny;
- misgender a tranny;
- argue that a woman is an adult human female;
- disagree that "trans women" are women;
- disagree that "trans men" are men;
- argue that lesbians don't have penises;
- argue that men can't give birth;
- argue that there is no such thing as transmisogyny;
- argue that neo-vaginas aren't vaginas;
- argue that neo-penises aren't penises;
- etc. etc. etc.
Your response to the above paragraph is most likely that you—and your fellow (morally superior) Redditors—don't believe any of these things and don't even know what they are. But you do believe in the content of these ideologies in a piecemeal and unconscious fashion. You are memetically infected. You unknowingly have your beliefs fashioned by people you have never heard of whose books you have never read. Everything that you and your fellow moral luminaries on Reddit have to say in defense of transgenderism will have its origins in poststructuralism.
Since these poststructuralist ideas are reaching you memetically, and—more importantly—poststructuralism doesn't give you substantive arguments but only rhetoric and slogans, your only response to political dissent is to seek corporate censorship by deplatforming. Your political agenda is to create and enforce—by government and corporate action—an intersubjective reality. Trannies and their ideological allies know that objective reality and logic undermine all of their ideological claims. But if we all can be compelled to speak, write, and behave as if these ideological claims are true, we can negate or set aside objective reality. This stratagem is akin to me forming an axiomatic belief that:
(A) I am a handsome, athletically gifted genius.
I become emotionally distraught if anyone denies (A) or doesn't assert (A) when the opportunity presents itself. I require everyone to state (A) whenever they talk to me, about me, or write about me. To do otherwise is an act of hateful violence against me. Why would anyone not assert (A)? It costs them nothing, and it affirms my self-concept. I don't feel that I need to argue for (A) or debate (A) with anyone; forcing me to do so is denying my identity and reducing my existence to an academic debate. Children need to be taught (A). That way, they will grow up to be tolerant and empathetic.
KF only documents. You had to add harass because you knew that if you left it at document you would undermine your own argument. For you to make your case, you need to characterize KF as active because the passive activity of documenting online retards doesn't give you the required rhetorical force which you will use to derive moral culpability.
This is you inventing things. Nowhere is KF implicitly or explicitly "advertise[d]" as "dangerous and destructive."
Opsec is necessary because of hostile people like you who can't tolerate a dissenting voice on the Internet. Trannies have a free run on all of the major websites on the Internet—adherence to their ideology is policed and enforced by both governments and corporates. But KF—one relatively small forum—must be destroyed because it disrupts the creation of a false intersubjective reality. The emperor has no clothes, and no one should be permitted to say so.
You are the "lying little gremlin who doesn't respect the intelligence of his audience." Your posts are the memetic output of an ideologically captured mind. They are boilerplate, and they have no persuasive power. They rely on being able to silence your interlocutor. You forgot that you aren't on your beloved Reddit.
So fuck off back to Reddit, dickhead.
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Consider not just the 6 hour time difference between eastern Europe and Japan, but also the timezone difference between the US and eastern Europe, another 7 hours, and also the fact that this was going down on a Saturday. Josh might not have been able to get a hold of his attorney for another 48 hours until Monday rolled around in the US.
Though, even if Josh had said as much, I doubt it would have mattered. As others here have noticed. Byuu was suffering from an acute episode of mental illness in that moment. Even if he had registered that what he'd proposed meant he'd have to wait at least two days because lawyers had become involved, he probably would have neckroped anyway. When suicide is actually on the table, logic tends to get ignored.
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unironic truthnuke but the prospect of any of us realizing we're worse than r*dditards is absolutely heart breaking
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See, I must have missed that. This is what Null said in the featured post:
He says the report is from last year, not that he received it last year or that it is "over a year" old. This is consistent with the cover letter, which is dated 16 October 2023. Metadata shows the PDF was created by WinstonQ2 on Tuesday, October 17, 2023 3:35:13 PM UTC; that's when the letter and attachments were assembled. We don't know when Benbattouche/Branwen received it, though it probably wasn't much later. Nor do we know how or when it got to Null. But unless the FOIA cover letter and metadata are forged, Null could not have had it for over a year.