Sony hate thread

[Megatardingo]

Cause it's not a remake.

THEN MAKE A NEW ONE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE They fucking did that whole new shtick with zack for the psp or the ps vita and I enjoyed it but it didn't say FINAL FANTASY 7 REMAKE on it it fucking triggers my autism into overdrive. It's bad enough they refuse to go back to turn-based like it's the plague and they don't wanna do new interdasting leveling systems, they fucking also do them braindead streamlined easy (like somehow OG FF was SUPERHARD, give me a break) and now they're just gonna drag the greatest hits through the mud because they want nostalgia tardcum to fund their next homoerotic adventures into neverland.

Dude, you're just not part of the "modern target audience" we are going for.
But please buy our game anyway!

I'm sorry I gotta buy skyrim for the 30th time bro I don't have that kind of moolah

 

[blablabla]

I Saw a fb post about their April launch and it was fucking grim. Full of Middleware shit. I'm glad i didnt pay for a ps5, i Will only use it for mgsdelta and gta6

 

[DocAwe]

THEN MAKE A NEW ONE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE They fucking did that whole new shtick with zack for the psp or the ps vita and I enjoyed it but it didn't say FINAL FANTASY 7 REMAKE on it it fucking triggers my autism into overdrive. It's bad enough they refuse to go back to turn-based like it's the plague and they don't wanna do new interdasting leveling systems, they fucking also do them braindead streamlined easy (like somehow OG FF was SUPERHARD, give me a break) and now they're just gonna drag the greatest hits through the mud because they want nostalgia tardcum to fund their next homoerotic adventures into neverland.

I'm sorry I gotta buy skyrim for the 30th time bro I don't have that kind of moolah

That's ok.
The next one is going to be free and all the dlc you're going to need in order to win is only going to be $5/item.
See you(r wallet) soon!

 

[Frosted Snowflakes]

Visions of Mana

Speaking of Visions of Mana, this video should be interesting.

 

[NeroRisotto]

Remember when Playstation was Slaystation, not Gaystation? This video might help you remember.

 

[Edgy But Dull]

Weekly Famitsu Sales for 3/25/24-3/31/24

1. [NSW] Princess Peach: Showtime! (Nintendo, 03/22/24) – 27,258 (104,820)
2. [PS5] Rise of the Ronin (SIE, 03/22/24) – 20,139 (84,785)
3. [NSW] Winning Post 10 2024 (Koei Tecmo, 03/28/24) – 12,845 (New)
4. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo, 04/28/17) – 10,432 (5,768,60
5. [PS5] Dragon’s Dogma II (Capcom, 03/22/24) – 9,172 (77,764)
6. [NSW] Super Mario Bros. Wonder (Nintendo, 10/20/23) – 8,163 (1,803,747)
7. [PS5] Winning Post 10 2024 (Koei Tecmo, 03/28/24) – 6,733 (New)
8. [NSW] Minecraft (Microsoft, 06/21/1 – 6,618 (3,483,557)
9. [NSW] Animal Crossing: New Horizons (Nintendo, 03/20/20) – 6,411 (7,729,183)
10. [NSW] Splatoon 3 (Nintendo, 09/09/22) – 6,172 (4,264,330)
11. [NSW] Mario vs. Donkey Kong (Nintendo, 02/16/24) – 5,941 (137,369)
12. [NSW] Momotaro Dentetsu World: Chikyuu wa Kibou de Mawatteru! (Konami, 11/16/23) – 5,289 (1,023,124)
13. [PS5] Final Fantasy VII Rebirth (Square Enix, 02/29/24) – 4,840 (310,596)
14. [NSW] Nintendo Switch Sports (Nintendo, 04/29/22) – 4,802 (1,299,683)
15. [PS4] Winning Post 10 2024 (Koei Tecmo, 03/28/24) – 4,702 (New)

Spoiler: Archived Websites

Famitsu weekly sales (archive)
Gematsu translation (archive)

FF7 Rebirth sales drop another 32% this week and sold only 4,840 units this week for a lifetime sales of 310,596 units. It is now in the 13th spot, down from last week's 8th spot. Meanwhile FF16 sold 336,027 units in its first week.

Rebirth released on February 29th, so the 2 month mark would be the 4/22/24-4/28/24 sales report. They have 4 weeks to sell 25,431 units. They would need to sell 6,357 units for 4 weeks (31% increase compared to the latest weekly sales for 4 weeks straight). FF7 Rebirth is getting outsold by Splatoon 3 and Animal Crossing: New Horizons. The sales for those older games are basically a rough measure of Japan's birth rate as they had 758,631 births last year (14,589 per week). FF7 Rebirth is going to fail to outsell FF16's week 1 sales after 2 months. If sales continue to slow down, it might even take 3 months to match FF16's week 1 sales.

Meanwhile despite Dragon's Dogma 2 outselling Rise of the Ronin during week 1, DD2 fall off way harder and now RoR is ahead in sales. Both of these were outsold for 2 weeks in a row by another game that came out the same day as both of them, Princess Peach.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

Despite its faggy content warning, I kind of like that the janky Ronin game is outselling Capcom and Square.

 

[verissimus]

Just to add to the above, FF16 sold about 3 million copies total within its first week. I would imagine based on the above figures, that Rebirth should have hit that threshold by now though I don't know why that hasn't been announced.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Despite its faggy content warning, I kind of like that the janky Ronin game is outselling Capcom and Square.

As long as that's its only woke transgression, me too. It looks cool.

 

[ShitLurker]

FF7 Rebirth sales drop another 32% this week and sold only 4,840 units this week for a lifetime sales of 310,596 units. It is now in the 13th spot, down from last week's 8th spot. Meanwhile FF16 sold 336,027 units in its first week.

Oof, I don't feel so good Nomura bros...

Meanwhile despite Dragon's Dogma 2 outselling Rise of the Ronin during week 1, DD2 fall off way harder and now RoR is ahead in sales.

I'm wondering if word of mouth did it's work between the money gouging practices and the sense that it lacks content or if it's just that it's still a niche title. Though Armored Core 6 was also niche as fuck and I think it managed to keep it's momentum going for longer I'd say.

Despite its faggy content warning, I kind of like that the janky Ronin game is outselling Capcom and Square.

As long as that's its only woke transgression, me too. It looks cool.

From what I've heard, it's advertising budget was peanuts, but there is no faggotry in the game outside of the content warning. To be honest, I've paid it zero attention and nobody is even talking about it in this thread to say if it's good or not, so impression I'm getting is that despite quality, it's not making that big of a splash, at least for now.

 

[Edgy But Dull]

I'm wondering if word of mouth did it's work between the money gouging practices and the sense that it lacks content or if it's just that it's still a niche title. Though Armored Core 6 was also niche as fuck and I think it managed to keep it's momentum going for longer I'd say.

I wonder if some of the Nips made the mistake a lot of westerners did and think this was going to be some Elden Ring shit and got disappointed, hence the huge drop. Meanwhile Rise of the Ronin likely didn't have as high expectations so the drop off wasn't as harsh due to bad word of mouth.

From what I've heard, it's advertising budget was peanuts, but there is no faggotry in the game outside of the content warning. To be honest, I've paid it zero attention and nobody is even talking about it in this thread to say if it's good or not, so impression I'm getting is that despite quality, it's not making that big of a splash, at least for now.

I have seen practically nothing about Rise of the Ronin or Rebirth aside from what was shown at the State of Plays. Obviously DD2 is significantly more clippable than either of those but I still usually have to watch out for story spoilers being clipped but there's none of that here. Even Batman's death in SS:KTJL was just randomly shown to me on youtube because despite the game being dogshit, people engaged with that content. It seems like the reaction to both of these games has been either mild or outright avoidance.

 

[Product Placement]

Lot of talk about FF7 Rebirth and FF16 flopping, when they really haven't, even more so with the pay hat Sony has given them. However at the same time, they are doing worse and worse in Japan every gen. Even if digital sales are great, I don't see total sales being better there than FF13 or FF15 pulled off in Japan.

Global sales for FF are higher than ever, but so are dev costs. Square is in a hard place, for FF to grow in profit they need to be on the Switch 2, on the other hand, fans of FF games always demand cutting edge visuals, with the only wide complaints for FF7 Rebirth is being graphical a inconsistent.

And this is really an issue Sony has in Japan, I don't think a killer line up of exclusive games in series Japanese fans love would even help them too much at this point. It's all about form factor, Japanese live in smaller spaces than those in the West and have a worse work/live balance, so a portable form factor just works better for them. PS Portal kind of felt like Sony trying to get that market but it was over priced, and streaming still has the distance issue.

The Vita was a hit in Japan but flopped everywhere else, so don't think a standalone handheld would be a good idea, especially with how few games Sony devs put out now, splitting them to make games for multiple hardware would just not work out well, and hybrid console is out of the question due to the power the PS6 would need.

One way forward I could see is Sony making a handheld cutback console, much like the Xbox SS but in a cutdown portable factor instead of just a cheaper console. Even still that is a hard power to price to get right, needs to be powerful upgrade over the PS5 to not limit next gen games, but at he same time not be unaffordable. Another way is to just make a PlayStation branded Steam Deck like handheld, with that format don't have to worry about support or putting extra resources into getting a game to run on it.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

with the only wide complaints for FF7 Rebirth is being graphical a inconsistent.

Weren't the biggest complaints that it was action-combat vs RTB

Square is in a hard place, for FF to grow in profit they need to be on the Switch 2, on the other hand, fans of FF games always demand cutting edge visuals

I think a lot of jap-focused games, or games that were traditionally popular in demand, should go back to basic visuals, or at least cut-down visuals.
If SNES style graphics can still sell in 'big' numbers for Indies, surely that style on a handheld would sell a lot in Japan?

I agree with your post though. Sony are losing the Jap market because they're become too westernised and too 'hollywood' (big production values no substance).

 

[Pissmaster]

fans of FF games always demand cutting edge visuals

No we don't. Octopath Traveler did great despite looking like a PS1 game.

PS Portal kind of felt like Sony trying to get that market but it was over priced, and streaming still has the distance issue.

PS Portal seemed like one of those decisions made by investors that don't understand video games at all, and just threw money when they heard the buzzword "Streaming". I cannot imagine a customer for the PS Portal that isn't just a total fanboy that has to have everything with the word "PlayStation" printed on it.

The Vita was a hit in Japan but flopped everywhere else,

It wouldn't have been if they had actually marketed it.

so don't think a standalone handheld would be a good idea,

There is literally no pocket-sized handheld gaming system on the market right now that isn't made by some dodgy Chinese firm, designed to run emulators and nothing else.

especially with how few games Sony devs put out now, splitting them to make games for multiple hardware would just not work out well, and hybrid console is out of the question due to the power the PS6 would need.

I would be more interested in a PlayStation 6 that's portable, but with the power of a PlayStation 4, than I would be in a PlayStation 6 that's equivalent to a midrange PC from 2027. Just no more giant tablet-sized handhelds, please.

One way forward I could see is Sony making a handheld cutback console, much like the Xbox SS but in a cutdown portable factor instead of just a cheaper console. Even still that is a hard power to price to get right, needs to be powerful upgrade over the PS5 to not limit next gen games, but at he same time not be unaffordable. Another way is to just make a PlayStation branded Steam Deck like handheld, with that format don't have to worry about support or putting extra resources into getting a game to run on it.

I think that's the only way forward in this market. One idea I've never seen tapped into is that whole external GPU thing, where you can encase a desktop graphics card and plug it in via thunderbolt to a laptop for enthusiast-tier gaming. A home dock for a portable PS6 could have one, alongside a Blu-ray drive, which should let you have high quality graphics when hooked up at home. Take it out, and they drop to PS4 tier. That is how such a machine should be in this day and age. Any kind of permanently stationary system going forward is doomed to fail.

 

[Product Placement]

Weren't the biggest complaints that it was action-combat vs RTB

With Remake people were disappointed, but after that anyone who wasn't on board with change was already off the ride before Rebirth was shown. But combat in both games is what got the most praise over all.

Weren't the biggest complaints that it was action-combat vs RTB

I think a lot of jap-focused games, or games that were traditionally popular in demand, should go back to basic visuals, or at least cut-down visuals.
If SNES style graphics can still sell in 'big' numbers for Indies, surely that style on a handheld would sell a lot in Japan?

Depends on the IP, I don't think a main line Final Fantasy can go that route without sales hurting, however the remake of Star Ocean 2 which has more a throwback look seems to have had a bigger impact than the fully 3d Star Ocean The Divine Force.

I agree with your post though. Sony are losing the Jap market because they're become too westernised and too 'hollywood' (big production values no substance).

Mean never said that, said it was more to do with the changing way how Japanese people play games than Sony's line up. A good Japanese line up, I don't think will do Sony much good if they don't have a handheld form factor in someway.

But it is West vs Japan in a way, if the PS5 when with something with portable form factor option at the cost of power, I don't think the PS5 would have done nearly as well in the west. When Nintendo already has that market, and is a real want for a powerful console.

Bit off the point I was making, but software wise the biggest issue PlayStation has right now I would say is lack of games getting young players into the PlayStation eco system . On past consoles was good mix of game types and of age suitability, but right now the Sony only have two games that work as a good introductory games, last one being from 2022.

No we don't. Octopath Traveler did great despite looking like a PS1 game.

OT from 2017 to 2022, sold 3 million units, FF16 sold that in 1 week. No doubt brand plays a role, but a cutdown mainline FF I expect wouldn't move that many units. I think going that route for spins off like a new Final Fantasy Tactics or a smaller ips like a new Chrono Trigger would be smart however.

PS Portal seemed like one of those decisions made by investors that don't understand video games at all, and just threw money when they heard the buzzword "Streaming". I cannot imagine a customer for the PS Portal that isn't just a total fanboy that has to have everything with the word "PlayStation" printed on it.

Odd thing about PS Portal it has done very well in the West. No idea why when the cheapest Steam Deck isn't much more and is a far better product.

There is literally no pocket-sized handheld gaming system on the market right now that isn't made by some dodgy Chinese firm, designed to run emulators and nothing else.

Phones have taken over that market. Unsure if pocket handhelds from any big company will come back, the expectations people have just makes it hard to do in the formfactor at a good price point.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

With Remake people were disappointed, but after that anyone who wasn't on board with change was already off the ride before Rebirth was shown. But combat in both games is what got the most praise over all

That's a good point.

Depends on the IP, I don't think a main line Final Fantasy can go that route without sales hurting, however the remake of Star Ocean 2 which has more a throwback look seems to have had a bigger impact than the fully 3d Star Ocean The Divine Force.

I'm not sure. A FF going back in graphics and making them stylised/cel-shaded would fit nicely in the franchise and should work.

Mean never said that, said it was more to do with the changing way how Japanese people play games than Sony's line up. A good Japanese line up, I don't think will do Sony much good if they don't have a handheld form factor in someway.

But it is West vs Japan in a way, if the PS5 when with something with portable form factor option at the cost of power, I don't think the PS5 would have done nearly as well in the west. When Nintendo already has that market, and is a real want for a powerful console.

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, maybe I misunderstood the post. The PS5 is selling relatively well in Japan, at least in relation to how 'well' it's selling to the rest of world. I agree a handheld would sell the best in Japan and it's strange why Microsoft haven't bothered with a handheld, seems as they're pushing cloud gaming - perfect for handheld form factor, and that Sony have released the fucking pitiful Portal while not going the extra step and launching a dedicated handheld.

Bit off the point I was making, but software wise the biggest issue PlayStation has right now I would say is lack of games getting young players into the PlayStation eco system . On past consoles was good mix of game types and of age suitability, but right now the Sony only have two games that work as a good introductory games, last one being from 2022.

I agree with this.

Ths PS2 had such a wide range of games that everyone can list a dozen games that were the best they've ever played, yet that list of games varies so much with people. It wasn't the same with Ps3 but PS4 moved back to that variety.

Like you say, PS5 has no games and comparing year 3 PS5 to Year 3 PS2 or PS1 is depressing.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Lot of talk about FF7 Rebirth and FF16 flopping, when they really haven't, even more so with the pay hat Sony has given them. However at the same time, they are doing worse and worse in Japan every gen. Even if digital sales are great, I don't see total sales being better there than FF13 or FF15 pulled off in Japan.

Global sales for FF are higher than ever, but so are dev costs. Square is in a hard place, for FF to grow in profit they need to be on the Switch 2, on the other hand, fans of FF games always demand cutting edge visuals, with the only wide complaints for FF7 Rebirth is being graphical a inconsistent.

And this is really an issue Sony has in Japan, I don't think a killer line up of exclusive games in series Japanese fans love would even help them too much at this point. It's all about form factor, Japanese live in smaller spaces than those in the West and have a worse work/live balance, so a portable form factor just works better for them. PS Portal kind of felt like Sony trying to get that market but it was over priced, and streaming still has the distance issue.

The Vita was a hit in Japan but flopped everywhere else, so don't think a standalone handheld would be a good idea, especially with how few games Sony devs put out now, splitting them to make games for multiple hardware would just not work out well, and hybrid console is out of the question due to the power the PS6 would need.

One way forward I could see is Sony making a handheld cutback console, much like the Xbox SS but in a cutdown portable factor instead of just a cheaper console. Even still that is a hard power to price to get right, needs to be powerful upgrade over the PS5 to not limit next gen games, but at he same time not be unaffordable. Another way is to just make a PlayStation branded Steam Deck like handheld, with that format don't have to worry about support or putting extra resources into getting a game to run on it.

It wasn't always like this, in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s home consoles did monstrously well in Japan, despite home-life balances being way more skewed then than they are now. To me the issue is that Japanese hardcore gamers have extremely shit taste (mobile-gacha wifu trash) and its no longer possible to appeal to both them and common folk at the same time. Yeah, handhelds do better than home consoles, but even there its fallen off in the face of phones, PSV did way worse than PSP and 3DS was a fraction of the success of DS (and, when in its current life, couldn't be seen on train cars ubiquitously like the DS was.)

That said, its hard to really find a way out when an audience just isn't interested in the product anymore. You can argue for cheaper games, smaller games, IP and genre titles that appeal to Japan but all that stuff already exists. Bandai makes it. Capcom and Konami make it. Even S-E makes it (remember all those double A RPGs that got released to no response last year?) But it still doesn't move units.

I really have no idea how to fix things. And no, making a whole new unit just for Japan isn't an answer, the market isn't big enough to justify the costs, both in development, manufacturing and game creation, that such a device would entail.

 

[Pissmaster]

Odd thing about PS Portal it has done very well in the West. No idea why when the cheapest Steam Deck isn't much more and is a far better product.

I'm not saying you're lying, but I sincerely don't see how that's possible. I remember one of the selling points of the Vita was that you could stream from your PS4, and then I never heard anyone talk about that down the line. I never personally found much of a use for home streaming. "Oh boy, you can play it in bed or while on the couch while someone else is using the TV". No thanks. If someone else is watching my TV, I'm most likely watching it with them. And when I'm in bed, I'm sleeping, or reading something in order to fall asleep. That pretty much just leaves the toilet, but I don't take long enough in there to play anything ever since I quit eating fast food.

Home streaming just never worked well for me. Something goes wrong with your router? Your session drops and your game keeps going unattended. Game crashed? You probably can't control shit and you need to use the thing locally, especially if you need to hard restart. I've had enough trouble with home streaming to decide it's just not worth the hassle, and I certainly don't wanna drop serious skrilla on a dedicated device for it.

To me the issue is that Japanese hardcore gamers have extremely shit taste (mobile-gacha wifu trash) and its no longer possible to appeal to both them and common folk at the same time.

I read something somewhere about companies desperately pandering to whales and no one else, because that's where the most money and least risk is in this shitty shitty hellworld we're living in. I hate that trite shit so fuckin' much.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I would be more interested in a PlayStation 6 that's portable, but with the power of a PlayStation 4, than I would be in a PlayStation 4 that's equivalent to a midrange PC from 2027. Just no more giant tablet-sized handhelds, please.

I'm still amazed Sony didn't go this route considering the Switches success and the fact that everything still looks like PS4 games just with a slightly higher resolution. I guess they were probably too invested in PS5 by the time Switch came in 17?

I'd say it's almost too late now, but it couldn't hurt.

 

[Product Placement]

I'm not saying you're lying, but I sincerely don't see how that's possible. I remember one of the selling points of the Vita was that you could stream from your PS4, and then I never heard anyone talk about that down the line. I never personally found much of a use for home streaming. "Oh boy, you can play it in bed or while on the couch while someone else is using the TV". No thanks. If someone else is watching my TV, I'm most likely watching it with them. And when I'm in bed, I'm sleeping, or reading something in order to fall asleep. That pretty much just leaves the toilet, but I don't take long enough in there to play anything ever since I quit eating fast food.

Home streaming just never worked well for me. Something goes wrong with your router? Your session drops and your game keeps going unattended. Game crashed? You probably can't control shit and you need to use the thing locally, especially if you need to hard restart. I've had enough trouble with home streaming to decide it's just not worth the hassle, and I certainly don't wanna drop serious skrilla on a dedicated device for it.

"Although we don’t have any numbers to share, the demand has continued to exceed our expectations," Wakai said.

https://www.ign.com/articles/playstation-portal-has-continued-to-exceed-our-expectations-sony-says

Has also been selling out from time to time, which is something no one expected. If it is just Sony fanboys buying it, would expect the sales drop by next year when what ever the latest shit Sony is selling will be out.

Makes no sense to me as well. If you have a table or phone could already do streaming to it, hell I've got PS5 streaming to work on my Steam Deck which I used when I was doing side quests in FF7 Rebirth while watching stuff on my pc.