Proship discourse - People Who Think They’re Fandom Saviors For Being Open About Their Disgusting Fetishes (zoophile/pedophile/necrophilia/incest/rape/etc) and the people that oppose them.

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Looking at that latest thumbnail jeez, Meekie is... the size of a baby. "Roughly 1 foot tall" yikes. Actually now I'm reminded of how Vee used to joke on Twitter about her 18 & 19 year old partners being her "barely legal babies" (up until they broke up with her). I guess if teens in the real world cease to tolerate you romantically, you can just make up a bunch of tiny underage characters that love you instead. The line between fiction and reality is so blurred for her it's genuinely concerning. The proship community likes to defend their works with assurances that "oh the art is fictional, we don't support it in the real world, we can tell the difference!!" but Vee can't even tell what's fictional and what's real anymore.
 
The proship community likes to defend their works with assurances that "oh the art is fictional, we don't support it in the real world, we can tell the difference!!" but Vee can't even tell what's fictional and what's real anymore.
It's extra funny when you consider the proshippers tried to make Vee into their martyr. For how much they supposedly cared about her, they've sure been quiet about her spiraling into insanity.

Actually now I'm reminded of how Vee used to joke on Twitter about her 18 & 19 year old partners being her "barely legal babies" (up until they broke up with her). I guess if teens in the real world cease to tolerate you romantically, you can just make up a bunch of tiny underage characters that love you instead.
Seeing as the alien videos prove that she fantasizes about children, one has to wonder what her relationship with convicted pedophile Ciel Star was based upon. I've tried digging into it a few times but I've come up empty handed.
 
Tom the Khazar Pooner and Lizcourserants continue to deny that they promoted the lie Ang was dead. They are now pivoting to cultures of abuse being permeated in fandom.
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Archive. You'd think Ang would've gotten a lawyer. It would've been juicy material for libel. Instead they promoted the lie she killed herself and went after Kyle Carozza.

Since the chickens have come home to roost, Tom complains the culture she helped create is now turning against her.
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Archive. Owlposting is a minor at the center of drama after being attacked by an adult. Fair enough, but recall these people lie about everything. Tom herself infamously defended Prostasia.

Of course, her defense of teens and getting minors out of adult spaces is backed by her supporting relationships between 15 year olds and 30 year olds. It's not Andrew Tate if it's manga. Archive.
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Tom laments how kids are being groomed into holding views she holds despicable without an inch of self awareness.
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Archive. To reiterate:
- it's acceptable when you go after a man to get him fired for a crime he didn't do
- defend a clearly mentally ill woman who's very much alive and defend her actions because she drew shotacon
- defend literal child rapists and predators because your job involves "rehabilitation" instead of eliminating them from the gene pool
- claim to be pacifist, has a fetish for fucking Neo Nazis
- pro free speech until it involves gender critical views
- gets community noted on a porn post, insists the studies are old and not applicable vs their reproducibility
- acts like a victim whenever she can, brings up her sexual trauma at every instance she can
- was in fandom at 17, the same year she got raped by an unknown assailant
- will always let you know she was raped
- doesn't care for women raped by troons
- is Jewish
- FAT
- tried to ruin a man's life along with her pet nigress (who gets called too pale even by other black women)
- rape and pedophile supporter who lied about a woman's death.
 
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really should've documented her Twitter when she still had a public account, but a personal lolcow of mine in the general proship/antiship discourse has been someone going by @zombiejerusalem. Constantly getting into discourse and crying about how she is "so tired of engaging in it and wanting to take a break from it"- only to get back into it the next day. Also constantly complaining about being chronically ill or whatever and how she's so tired everyday, guys, she can't engage in all this discourse! (she says, engaging in discourse)
I regret to inform you she's still active and e-begging on top of her shitty takes. Her health has taken a downturn, apparently.
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She needs $50 for med bills:
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She's very private, you know. She's just addicted to twitter and refuses to improve her health.
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I bet it's because you live in total filth and are fat as fuck. You don't have an income, were denied disability, and still have a GoFundMe that hasn't even reached its goal four fucking years after it was put up.

Try ketamine. Helps with GERD, I heard.

She's still bitching about TERFs. First example:
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Second:
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Third:
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Fourth:
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Fifth:
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She's still at it.

Mouse/Tom tells us the best way to defeat the patriarchy is shitty dark romance:
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After a month-long hiatus, Ang has posted two new dancing videos. They notably seem to take place in a new location, leading me to think that she's moved again.

This is from a week or so ago, but it looks like the new cope is that Vee faked her death to escape from Kyle Carrozza (who Vee never accused of sexual harrassment as far as I'm aware).
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Lizcourserants will defend lolicons, but not you mocking shitty race swaps of established characters. Archive.
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Sam Aburime also takes that stance, but goes further:
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To her, "anti science" is any TERF science or anything criticizing pornography. Note she isn't actually a researcher in any established field; she's a skinny nigger literally writing about fictional material as her job.

You don't get to call yourself anti censorship while screaming about racism, transphobia or those evil TERFs/SWERFs, you pavement ape.

Edit: ZombieJerusalem has been e-begging again. This time it's for her cat, Loki. He has diabetes, and she has to go on a pet plan for $50 a month to get his insulin. Archive.
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She's too broke to pay for that - and the disgusting wretch can't even keep her room clean. I'll give you a guess why. Link / Archive.
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That's a big ole ham hand. You can also see her "gastrointestinal" medicine which is all OTC stuff, all because she has a shit diet.

She also complains the benches at the vet's office are too small for her:
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I'll tell you why you have mobility problems: you're too fucking fat. It definitely ain't from swelling because she doesn't have money to get anything over $50, remember.
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Bitching about antis and TERFs clearly doesn't bring in the money. She also got a hate comment on one of her fics:
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Hmm, might post her works in the Fanfiction Horrors thread.
 
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Sam Aburime also takes that stance, but goes further:
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Glad they admit their takes align with porn culture! And also knowing how things go, I'll bet it was a bunch of nasty little pooners harassing radfems for opposing proships. I'll also bet the only lolicons they have no problem with are troons. God, I hate the troonshield.
 
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After a month-long hiatus, Ang has posted two new dancing videos. They notably seem to take place in a new location, leading me to think that she's moved again.

This is from a week or so ago, but it looks like the new cope is that Vee faked her death to escape from Kyle Carrozza (who Vee never accused of sexual harrassment as far as I'm aware).
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It's too late now but a year ago wish Ang had a thread. Y'know maybe I should make an artcow thread I've been thinking of instead of waiting for someone else to make it.
 
After a month-long hiatus, Ang has posted two new dancing videos. They notably seem to take place in a new location, leading me to think that she's moved again.
holy shit that's a nice place. she has to be living with someone (she can support herself economically and those dogs aren't hers) and that someone definitely has money. i do wonder how someone as autistic as her who has also completely lost it has managed to trick someone into letting her leech off of them.

internet weirdos are one thing but this seems more significant that pity donations. at first i thought it might be someone from her family worried she might hurt herself, but if that were the case they wouldn't let her post stuff online.
This is from a week or so ago, but it looks like the new cope is that Vee faked her death to escape from Kyle Carrozza (who Vee never accused of sexual harrassment as far as I'm aware).
at least someone acknowledges she faked her death lmaoooo. idk what people have to gain from defending her tbh, she is a delusional weirdo that has done nothing but take advantage of people. i haven't seen her friends mention her in a while, so maybe they see they can't defend her anymore and are trying to ignore this whole thing
 
holy shit that's a nice place. she has to be living with someone (she can support herself economically and those dogs aren't hers) and that someone definitely has money. i do wonder how someone as autistic as her who has also completely lost it has managed to trick someone into letting her leech off of them.

internet weirdos are one thing but this seems more significant that pity donations. at first i thought it might be someone from her family worried she might hurt herself, but if that were the case they wouldn't let her post stuff online.
I suspect it's her grandparents she's staying with, they're supposedly wealthy and it's the only explaination that makes sense. If Jane's information is correct (it might not be), their names are Jim and Gigi Rossman.
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I've got a new update on Laika/nullbackdoor_ho and I think I was right.

Her weird fixation with "uncomfortable sexual scenarios" (that she refuses to call rape) where "both people were at fault" (but specially the person getting raped) is caused by her not accepting she was raped. That's probably why she tries so hard to make her rapist OC seem like a good person.

It's specially interesting to me because this apparently happened when she was a kid but she still thinks she somehow consented to that???

We still can't confirm it was her dad, because there's no proof of it. However, it would kind of explain why she refuses to see it as assault (her dad is dead so it would taint her memory of him) and why she made a whole RP account about banging him.

I feel kinda bad acussing a dead guy for this tho.
 

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I've been following these types since discovering @todokaras if anyone remembers her thread. The defense that they only support these things in fiction is laughably flimsy.

Exhibit A: User @siblingbonds was famous for supporting irl incest. When she revealed she was in a relationship with her biological sister, many proshippers leaped to her defense. One of these defenders was Ang, as catalogued here.
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Note the intentional vagueness of "supporting consensual adult relationships".

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What a coincidence.
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Some highlights from a callout that I haven't seen posted yet:
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This being phrased as a reddit coomer fantasy suggests it's just a troon larping, like Laika. However, they clearly wouldn't hesitate to support it if it was real.
Exhibit B: Another notable proshipper is a troon called @stwawbewwymilk. He has a thread here and is an open pedophile.
After posting these tweets, he was run off his account by evil pedophobes. But not to worry, because Ang, Mouse, and @naminepuppy were there to support him.
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Her response is insanely long, but TL;DR Mouse also says MAP rights, how dare you attack a traumatized disabled autistic trans woman etc. etc.
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Similarly long response that parrots Mouse.
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Ang and these other users have a penchant for defending pedophilia and incest beyond "just fiction", despite what they claim. I have found others with thousands of followers who do this as well, all under the umbrella of "proshipping". There are sizeable communities of people like them who go as far as to draw nsfw of child actors, such as from Stranger Things, The Walking Dead, House of the Dragon, and even the Terminator movies.

Normally, they defend themselves by saying "it's just cartoons!" and "um ackshually, lolis/shotas don't look anything like REAL children!", but it all falls apart very, very quickly.
 
Speaking of Mouse, when she isn't doom scrolling about Cheeto Hitler, she's still lying about Ang.
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YOU started the murder accusations. Own up to it. You were CONTENT demanding a man lose his job OVER SOMETHING HE DID NOT DO.

She still does it when a radfem points out the obvious:
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Ah, so we go from literally dying, to losing health insurance, to "end of life care"... despite evidence she's alive and well (not mentally, that is). The gall of this creature.

I'd also like to remind you this disgusting cunt would happily see YOU fired if you drew comics like Stonetoss. They speak out both ends of their zipper tits.

16k followers and she doesn't once get called out for lying.
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Remember the pooner who chopped off her own leg? She defends her, too:
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Deliberately cutting off your own limbs for sympathy is really something, my dear piss pooner. And it was 4chan that doxxed her, not Twitter.
 
Speaking of Mouse, when she isn't doom scrolling about Cheeto Hitler, she's still lying about Ang.
Absolutely insane amount of self delusion. These people think "antis" will finally realize how wrong they are if they keep escalating things. First it was "You're being a meanie. Internet harassment is bad and hurts our feelings!" Then it was "You are retraumatizing poor CSA victims (aka 40 year olds that NEED to goon to violent rape porn or else they'll die)" and now it's "You're getting people's livelihoods taken away and LITERALLY murdering people!". Funny, because people still don't care.

On a darker note, I've been looking more into offshoots of the proshipping community. Aside from proshipping, there is also "darkshipping" and "comshipping", but functionally all of them mean the same thing. The most important thing to note here is the significant overlap with paraphiles/radqueers/radinclus. The people in these groups call themselves "propara", having adopted the "pro" from proshipping. Some are also "prokink", which is again inspired by proshipping, but for kinks.

On xitter, they find each other by using the tags #paratwt, #propara and #profic, and a disturbing amount of posts in these tags are by minors.
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This 15 year old is also claiming to have DID, hence the terms "fictive" and "plural".
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This post and the bio showing they're 16 years old.

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I had to look up what a biastophile was. Apparently its a paraphilia term for rape while unconscious.
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This is the youngest user I found, and they openly interact with paraphiles.
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Digging through the 13 year old's followers also reveals other minors, adults (mostly trannies, to no ones surprise) and bots.
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I don't know what more to say other than that I am deeply disgusted and concerned that this is all out there so publicly. It's all just one big circle. Everything here is connected, it's beyond parody and it's the thing that never happens happening on an exponential scale. :(
 
Vee's back on her old baraag. (Archive) Currently posting more about the alien shotas that live in her head and their lore.
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Most of her followers are confused but happy their badly drawn porn is back. Her Kofi is also back open for donations. (Archive)
Do any of these degens even care they were taken for a ride? They can't use her supposed death for points in online arguments anymore and it's not like they can ignore all the schizo talk.
 

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Vee's back on her old baraag. (Archive) Currently posting more about the alien shotas that live in her head and their lore.
Most of her followers are confused but happy their badly drawn porn is back. Her Kofi is also back open for donations. (Archive)
Do any of these degens even care they were taken for a ride? They can't use her supposed death for points in online arguments anymore and it's not like they can ignore all the schizo talk.
The proship queen has returned to the throne. Kino is back on the menu.

I don't know why, but the the idea of a character's red tumblr nose being an erogenous zone is hysterical to me. 10/10 schizo lore.
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Do any of these degens even care they were taken for a ride? They can't use her supposed death for points in online arguments anymore and it's not like they can ignore all the schizo talk.
Mouse, Lizcourse, Sam, naminepuppy and other big proship accounts all wrote threads defending her. They've known she's a liar for months now, they just choose to double down so they have a martyr. If you look at conversations from around that time (February), it's hilarious watching them scramble to justify their behavior when arguing with detractors.

Here's an example of this below. Worth a read just for its sheer absurdity.
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The url is for one of Ang's dance videos, which is archived here.
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Some more recent posts likening it to the James Somerton situation:
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According to naminepuppy, Ang is on a "homebrew medicine regimen" for her extremely deadly chronic illnesses. AKA taking shrooms for fake physical symptoms caused by her being intensely schizophrenic.
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The gif is perhaps the best part.
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According to naminepuppy, Ang is on a "homebrew medicine regimen" for her extremely deadly chronic illnesses.
So wait, when Puppy says "we worked our asses off with a homebrew medicine regimine", what does that mean exactly? Is she or somebody else actively helping Ang acquire shrooms? Because if that's the case, how does she not recognize she's made Ang worse?

Also, I realized that the puppeteer character in this post might be the "ventriloquist" who apparently possed Ang in a previous video. Since the puppeteer apparently makes boys rape each other, I really don't want to know what Ang would do under it's supposed influence.
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Vee's back on her old baraag. (Archive) Currently posting more about the alien shotas that live in her head and their lore.
at this point there is literally nothing Ang can do that would make her little defenders realize she is a piece of shit. after all the threads and the accusations of murder and the thinkpieces and that corny hashtag she just started posting again.
Most of her followers are confused but happy their badly drawn porn is back. Her Kofi is also back open for donations. (Archive)
after scamming people, spending all the donation money on pokemon memorabilia and finding a wealthy relative to latch onto, she simply wants more plushies!

wondering if people will be so stupid as to give her even more money
Do any of these degens even care they were taken for a ride? They can't use her supposed death for points in online arguments anymore and it's not like they can ignore all the schizo talk.
her drawings have deffo gotten worse+this is way too niche to be appealing to shotacons so she will probably start losing followers (not because she fucking faked her death, but because people can't jack off to her stuff anymore)
 
So wait, when Puppy says "we worked our asses off with a homebrew medicine regimine", what does that mean exactly? Is she or somebody else actively helping Ang acquire shrooms? Because if that's the case, how does she not recognize she's made Ang worse?
I'm 99% sure it's literally just a euphemism for shrooms and its a substantial part of why she's so mentally unsound right now. Puppy and the others are likely aware of the damage it's done, but stopping a poor disabled nonbinary artist from doing what makes her happy is morally damning to them. I've put together a rough timeline of how it started:

December 16 2022 - Ang tries shrooms for the first time. This is referred to as her "spiritual awakening" in Ang's explanation video "truth about me".
Note: the video was deleted, but someone has reuploaded it here. She starts talking about it at 17:10, and explains her motivation for it (treatment resistant depression) at 19:20.

January 30 2023 - Screenshots from Gigajane's document show Karli and Jane discussing Ang sending weird messages after doing shrooms.
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August 2023 - Ang posts on @Atherist about continuing to use shrooms to self-medicate.
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I am unsure if she has posted anything related to psychedelics after this, but I think it's safe to assume based on her videos and continual downward spiral she's still doing shrooms.
As for sourcing, since it's expensive I wouldn't be surprised if a significant portion of Kofi/Gofundme money went towards this. Perhaps if she is living with her grandparents, she is also using their money to buy shrooms. On the off chance she isn't, the few times she did do shrooms have already destroyed her brain.
 
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