Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

[Spilled Spaghett]

I dunno about you but I'd rather be optimistic retard than be a miserable doomer for the rest of my life. We're allowed to have hope, y'know. Life is too short, yadda, yadda, yadda. You get we're I'm going with this.
I'm hoping things get better but if it's just more of the same, it's just whatever, I'm not going to think too hard about it because I'm not a graphics fag and I just want to enjoy a game that I like. If the game runs smooth, that's all I really care about. I'm gonna chimp out a bit and say at this point I'm sick of the perpetual negative nancies who buzzkill me into the fucking dirt and the overly toxic positive tribalism peddlers and obnoxious alphabet cults surrounding me on all sides, everyone is just fucking retarded and annoying. I just want to play a game that I like without someone being a judgemental dickhead about it.

Positive pollies are equally annoying who insist that everything is fine and you can't criticise something just because it's negative and they don't want to hear it. I'm sorry if being honest is a buzzkill but games being shit is also a buzzkill and I want them to get better. I'm not saying I agree with people chimping out over the benchmark, I agree it's dumb, but I understand where the attitude comes from, and I don't blame them for being vocal about it. Being passive, letting shit slide, and taking higher and higher doses of copium is how we let everything get so gay.

If you don't like the discourse coming from either side and all you want to do is play games with no feedback from anyone, then you really don't leave yourself with any option but blocking your ears and never talking to anyone. Like it or not inaction is also a choice and people are going to judge you for it if it hurts whatever side they're on. They'll judge you for not supporting the new alphabet, and they'll judge you for not standing against it. Unfortunately it sort of requires escalating tribalism because if they don't others will, and they will get whatever they want. I wish I had an answer for how to de-escalate things and go back to having fun, but I don't know if we ever will.

Now please, I need top hats for my hats. They're getting cold.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

@Spilled Spaghett It's not letting me reply to you for some reason so I have to do it this way. I dunno why.

Look I'm not saying things can't be criticized or that people aren't allowed to be doomers either nor that you're not valid in how you feel because you're right too in a way. I just want to be able to talk about things I enjoy without people foaming at the mouth to rain on my parade. I have no problem being told why I'm wrong for liking something, it's just it happens so frequently that sometimes I get fed up with it all and I do take breaks occasionally to get away from it. I've got issues with things too, trust me I got choice words for the gaming industry as a whole, but the point I'm making is that I'm TRYING to stay positive to some degree. I have enough depressing shit in my life and I just get annoyed that people get angry at me for not being as negative as they are about things. That's not being a rose colored glasses wearing retard, I just look that way because everyone is so fucking cynical that I sit here and wonder how everyone hasn't necked themselves already.

Just because I want to be optimistic, it doesn't make me any less than the person who wants to be a doomer and telling me to just cover my ears and go "LALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU" doesn't make the problem go away and changes nothing. I just wanted to vent about my frustration on how I can't ever express my opinion without getting dogpiled on by every side to the nth degree. There's just so much misery in the gaming sphere already and I'm just trying to keep my head above water without getting sucked into a vortex I can't swim out of. Do you at least get where I'm coming from? It's just my own personal sentiment, we just both prefer opposing things. Neither of us are fundamentally wrong. I hope you know I wasn't personally attacking you when I said what I said.

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

@Spilled Spaghett It's not letting me reply to you for some reason so I have to do it this way. I dunno why.

Look I'm not saying things can't be criticized or that people aren't allowed to be doomers either nor that you're not valid in how you feel because you're right too in a way. I just want to be able to talk about things I enjoy without people foaming at the mouth to rain on my parade. I have no problem being told why I'm wrong for liking something, it's just it happens so frequently that sometimes I get fed up with it all and I do take breaks occasionally to get away from it. I've got issues with things too, trust me I got choice words for the gaming industry as a whole, but the point I'm making is that I'm TRYING to stay positive to some degree. I have enough depressing shit in my life and I just get annoyed that people get angry at me for not being as negative as they are about things. That's not being a rose colored glasses wearing retard, I just look that way because everyone is so fucking cynical that I sit here and wonder how everyone hasn't necked themselves already.

Just because I want to be optimistic, it doesn't make me any less than the person who wants to be a doomer and telling me to just cover my ears and go "LALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU" doesn't make the problem go away and changes nothing. I just wanted to vent about my frustration on how I can't ever express my opinion without getting dogpiled on by every side to the nth degree. There's just so much misery in the gaming sphere already and I'm just trying to keep my head above water without getting sucked into a vortex I can't swim out of. Do you at least get where I'm coming from? It's just my own personal sentiment, we just both prefer opposing things. Neither of us are fundamentally wrong. I hope you know I wasn't personally attacking you when I said what I said.

I do get where you're coming from for sure, and trust me I do feel the same. It all becomes a bit too much at times constantly feeling like everything is a fight. I also just wanted to give a reasoning why people are chimping out over something that seems trivial. Again, it doesn't matter to me at all. But I guess I would prefer having people chimp out because it sends a clearer message since being too passive and accepting didn't work out. I guess at the end of the day even if it fails I at least want to be heard. Someday soon I'm sure that same vortex is going to swallow me up but at least until then I'm kicking and screaming. Never felt like you were attacking me and I do want people to enjoy the games they play. I just think we can all get so much more, and too often I see people settling when we don't have to. Destiny fans especially confuse me with how much they'll put up with from Bungie, and how all their problems would be easily solved if they would stop dropping entire paychecks on microtransactions.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

@Spilled Spaghett

I'm glad we can be adults about things. Don't worry, I hear ya.

 

[Kheapathic]

I managed to defy the odds and catch Lancetfish and have such moved on to Endwalker fish; and all it took me was somewhere between 120 and 140 hours of being stuck in Tempest (overall 4 windows with Intuition). Now all I have left in Shadowbringers is Celestial and Cinder.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

I am doing the Endwalker MSQ and I haven't finished it yet, but please tell me this whole thing didn't boil down to: a guy sent out a bunch of emotionally hypersensitive little girls to find the meaning of life and then they found a bunch of dead civilizations and then they decided that life is meaningless suffering and everyone should die and then said guy said 'yeah lol, fuck us'? I mean I get that the whole expansion so far is about hope and faith in eachother and not giving into despair, but fuck me the execution of this whole thing so far feels awful

 

[Well Intentioned]

I am doing the Endwalker MSQ and I haven't finished it yet, but please tell me this whole thing didn't boil down to: a guy sent out a bunch of emotionally hypersensitive little girls to find the meaning of life and then they found a bunch of dead civilizations and then they decided that life is meaningless suffering and everyone should die and then said guy said 'yeah lol, fuck us'? I mean I get that the whole expansion so far is about hope and faith in eachother and not giving into despair, but fuck me the execution of this whole thing so far feels awful

I'm afraid I have some bad news.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

I am doing the Endwalker MSQ and I haven't finished it yet, but please tell me this whole thing didn't boil down to: a guy sent out a bunch of emotionally hypersensitive little girls to find the meaning of life and then they found a bunch of dead civilizations and then they decided that life is meaningless suffering and everyone should die and then said guy said 'yeah lol, fuck us'? I mean I get that the whole expansion so far is about hope and faith in eachother and not giving into despair, but fuck me the execution of this whole thing so far feels awful

Lmao
Have fun

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

I am doing the Endwalker MSQ and I haven't finished it yet, but please tell me this whole thing didn't boil down to: a guy sent out a bunch of emotionally hypersensitive little girls to find the meaning of life and then they found a bunch of dead civilizations and then they decided that life is meaningless suffering and everyone should die and then said guy said 'yeah lol, fuck us'? I mean I get that the whole expansion so far is about hope and faith in eachother and not giving into despair, but fuck me the execution of this whole thing so far feels awful

Yeah... I think the moral of the story is: peer review is important.

Makes you wonder what the expansion would've been like if the devs didn't cram two stories into one.

 

[Higgs Bonbon]

I am doing the Endwalker MSQ and I haven't finished it yet, but please tell me this whole thing didn't boil down to: a guy sent out a bunch of emotionally hypersensitive little girls to find the meaning of life and then they found a bunch of dead civilizations and then they decided that life is meaningless suffering and everyone should die and then said guy said 'yeah lol, fuck us'? I mean I get that the whole expansion so far is about hope and faith in eachother and not giving into despair, but fuck me the execution of this whole thing so far feels awful

it doesn't help that the question he asked Meteion is inherently flawed. Spoiler: The Meteia themselves are in denial about spreading the dynamis taint and directly contributing to the death of some worlds. They're basically extremely impressionable automatons with the emotional intelligence of four year olds. Hermes/Fagdaniel/Amon is a fucking pseudointellectual retard

 

[Dave.]

I am doing the Endwalker MSQ and I haven't finished it yet, but please tell me this whole thing didn't boil down to: a guy sent out a bunch of emotionally hypersensitive little girls to find the meaning of life and then they found a bunch of dead civilizations and then they decided that life is meaningless suffering and everyone should die and then said guy said 'yeah lol, fuck us'? I mean I get that the whole expansion so far is about hope and faith in eachother and not giving into despair, but fuck me the execution of this whole thing so far feels awful

Spoiler

Kind of. The central premise is that everything ends and there's no real perfect paradise to be found. If everything is doomed to end and societies are doomed to fail as they grow stronger and perfection is achieved (this is alluded to by Amon in the beginning with the Allagan empire), then what's the point of carrying on at that point? No matter how hard you plan, how much you scheme, nothing endures basically and all of it is rendered meaningless after death.

This isn't what pisses Hermes off, however; Hermes is going through a God Complex where he believes himself to be a creator and accountable for all the decisions his higher ups make at Elpis. He's mad that his higher ups are the ones who are discarding his creations who, while are proving to be dangerous, he believes want to live just as much as his people want to as well. So, as an act of revenge, he basically sets up the final days and challenges his people that if they want to live, they need to fight for it, just like his creations have to. If his people are doomed to fail like Meteion believes, they'll need to prove otherwise.

That was my interpretation at least. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

 

[King Of Braves]

I am doing the Endwalker MSQ and I haven't finished it yet, but please tell me this whole thing didn't boil down to: a guy sent out a bunch of emotionally hypersensitive little girls to find the meaning of life and then they found a bunch of dead civilizations and then they decided that life is meaningless suffering and everyone should die and then said guy said 'yeah lol, fuck us'? I mean I get that the whole expansion so far is about hope and faith in eachother and not giving into despair, but fuck me the execution of this whole thing so far feels awful

Yeah everything was more or less the cascading effect of Hermes's hubris and shortsighted obsession. Had he asked a better question, perhaps gave any thoughts to what they could have possibly found, or at least did not meddle with dynamis, then there would have never been any threat to the ancients. but also how amazing are the scenes involving the final days and the creation of Hydaelyn? That shit sold the entire expansion for me.

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

I am doing the Endwalker MSQ and I haven't finished it yet, but please tell me this whole thing didn't boil down to: a guy sent out a bunch of emotionally hypersensitive little girls to find the meaning of life and then they found a bunch of dead civilizations and then they decided that life is meaningless suffering and everyone should die and then said guy said 'yeah lol, fuck us'? I mean I get that the whole expansion so far is about hope and faith in eachother and not giving into despair, but fuck me the execution of this whole thing so far feels awful

Welcome to the club. Yes it's as bullshit as you think it is. Endwalker had an amazing story it could've told and for some reason they chose not to. They needed to set up and resolve a plotline that spans the entire history of the world but do so only in about half an expansion worth of time. They had to cut every corner to make it work. Motivations, choices, and consequences of everyone make no sense. And after all this we're still somehow supposed to think that Hydaelyn is a hero when everything could have been so easily avoided in so many other ways.

The whole plot can't work because they never established or proved their premise, that a perfect civilization cannot exist and is always doomed to fail unless you suffer and learn to cope. We know that's not true because the Ancients clearly had a perfectly functional utopia from everything we are shown. They also never showed why suffering as a part of life is necessary and makes us stronger. It thinks it's super deep philosophical thinking, but it's painfully surface level and doesn't even seem to understand it's own position. It just asserts that these things are true and expects you to accept it. Not that it isn't a great thought experiment to try, it could have worked. But the writing has no time for it, and the writers are way too incompetent. Apparently so is most of the playerbase because they think it's great.

 

[Troon Whisperer]

Apparently so is most of the playerbase because they think it's great.

They think it's great because they want to fuck/fix Emet Selch and that fucking uwu simp Graha Tia.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

Endwalker's story sucked because it had less to do with the story of Eorzea than did the expansion that took place in a parallel universe.

Most of the expansion opts to introduce, introduce, introduce. There are hanging threads from the previous 4!!! 4!!! storylines that get tied up off-screen or otherwise just brushed aside, so we can shove in more completely new concepts and things. Which are often enough redundant with the already-existent material they had to work with. The rare moments of shine in the expansion are when it seemingly remembers that it has a whole cast of characters, events, ideas to work with... and then so soon as they arrive, they're cast aside so we can have some other stupid contrivance introduced.

The longer you give it time to grow on you, the more it curdles.

Apparently so is most of the playerbase because they think it's great.

Turns out that people who don't read books, don't watch cinema, and whose idea of "great storytelling" is shounen anime spliced with steven universe with a marvel garnish have no taste, who knew? Which is to say, if you eat nothing but sugar, you ruin your palate.

 

[Privilege Power Hour]

Apparently so is most of the playerbase because they think it's great.

Every once in a while I get the feeling that most of the community has never seen a piece of media that's not XIV, so there's that.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

At the risk of sounding like an autist or MATI, I feel like one of the few people here that likes Endwalker's MSQ, warts and all. At the very least, I can certainly see what the devs were going for, trying to talk about holding onto hope and such in difficult times. I liked some of the characters, I thought the story was fairly decent for what it was, and overall finished the MSQ satisfied, at least personally.

That said, I can fully agree Endwalker's story isn't perfect. You can tell where the devs cut corners - with Garlemald and Elpis in particular - and there's a lot of scenes that take away from the overarching plotline, like just about everything with the damn Loporitts. There's a lot of scenes and characters that needed significantly more development and scene time, and while I think the devs ended up hitting most of the major plot points that they wanted to hit, I think we can all agree that they REALLY didn't develop them as much as they should have. Seriously, it's a finale for a story 10 years in the making, don't rush it.

Elpis in particular I think needed more time to cook; there's quite a few details and story elements that we didn't really get a chance to see - Amaurot in its prime would've been great, for instance. Some more proper details concerning the build-up of the Final Days and Venat's group would've been particularly welcome; Venat's my personal favorite character and I kinda get the reasoning behind her plan, and I fully agree that the whole thing was in need of much more development. Especially since what we did see repeatedly contradicted/barely connected to scenes from Shadowbringers. Hell, properly integrating Pandaemonium into the plotline would've solved a lot of it, as I mentioned a while back.

All that said, I do hope the devs will listen and actually fix the story up a bit. I mean, they re-wrote quite a few scenes from previous expansions to work better - the Rhitahtyn boss fight being a foreshadowing of Dynamis, for instance, and the Crystal Tower raids being made mandatory - so I think that Yoshi and co. would ideally go back and fix certain scenes, what with all the backlash. I mean, it's a (very) long shot, but I'd love to see it happen, to be honest.

 

[Well Intentioned]

Most of the expansion opts to introduce, introduce, introduce. There are hanging threads from the previous 4!!! 4!!! storylines

What were the 4?

E: And yeah, the people who fawn over XIV's story like it's the greatest literary work of our era are fucking retards, full stop. The story is good by JRPG standards but leaves a lot to be desired when judged alongside other, good, stuff. Paradise Lost, Beowulf or Lord of the Rings, XIV's MSQ is not.

That's partly why I give probably a bit more latitude towards shit like the overabundance of loporrits. JRPGs have stupid, zany shit like that, it's a function of the medium. It'd be like complaining about the blood in a horror movie or lightsabers in a Star Wars movie. That doesn't mean I like it (I felt it was overdone, but it came at the right time, where you go through the utterly bleak part of the Garlemald MSQ, which honestly is probably my favorite stretch of Endwalker), but I understand why it's there.

But yeah, the people who just gush over Graha and Emet-Selch make me less inclined towards 'accepting' that JRPG shite, mostly because I'm sick and fucking tired of all the cloned cat boys with "Grruha T'iia" or whatever. I know it's ultimately unimportant, but that shit has always aggravated the nonrational part of my brain.

But yeah, they shoved way too much shit in (much like Stormblood) and didn't give themselves enough room or time. I don't know if that's a byproduct of the ADHD Generation(s) or what, but it was a very crowded story that sagged here and there.

 

[RIPRhongoBongo]

Spoiler: Funniest Part of Endwalker

Zenos being a Uber for the WoL, then throwing hands because they didn't tip

 

[Ravana]

I liked the Endwalker MSQ fine. I would have liked for the FINAL DAYS to take place is more than a couple spots. Kinda took the wind out of its sails

The highlight of the story is still the moment where we pull out the vibe check flower and it just disintegrates.
It makes me laugh every time I see it