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Zenos was kinda...eh.
They literally forgot about that mfer and shoe horned him in at the last second.

I do like that they stuck to their guns and said that nigga stayin dead stop asking.

But other than that the story was okay. It resonated with me for personal reasons but it's not like the best story I ever played through. I've seen way worse. Tbh, that's why I'm hoping DT story will be more simple.
 
EW had solid enough set pieces and some ok-ish dungeons visual wise to stand out as an ok JRPG for me, id agree that its definetly a story where the more you think about it the more retarded it gets, the pacing had major issues, but overall, i think i got my time and money's worth out of the content, and seeing spergouts about the plot was golden, like early on these people who said "Out of the Cold" gave them PTSD because of the whole body switching angle
 
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Well Intentioned said:
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Oh, each of the 4 expansions / base. There are lingering elements in each and every one that could have been explored in a doomsday scenario, but there was no room for that because we had to introduce 27 new macguffins.

Nanamo's desire to transition Ul'Dah to democracy; Coerthas struggling with the loss of the orthodox church that once made its social structure so rigid; Hien not really sure of what the future holds now that there's no 'bad guy' in the form of Garlemald both to hand him a mandate and to keep the alliance together; Gyr Abania having an internal struggle about the forced occupation of now-conquered Garlemald - all these little doubts and rifts that could have been explored, had we not needed both Elpis and the annoying prelude-to-Elpis whose primary additions to the story were "annoying trivia that confuses the story because it is clearly someone else's story" which themselves seem like context enough for a plague of hopelessness.

It still boggles the brain that Zenos was clearly resurrected to be the player's foil; whose apathy is clearly supposed to be the antithesis of the player's altruism; who could easily and perfectly fit the role of "conduit of overwhelming hopelessness;" who was unceremoniously sidelined in the story so we could introduce the oh-so-memorable character of Meteion. Almost like whoever was writing Endwalker really wasn't that familiar with the rest of the story, and wrote in redundant characters and motivations. Which might also explain why Estinien, who had been a very enjoyable character in Heavensward, suddenly became a stupid anime trope; why Y'shtola once again had a personality rewrite; why G'raha became so insufferable despite being enjoyable in ShB, etc, etc etc.
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like early on these people who said "Out of the Cold" gave them PTSD because of the whole body switching angle
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So I've been listening to Jonathan Haidt's newest book, "The Anxious Generation," which attempts to find an explanation for younger generations' various (real and imagined) woes through the lens of exploring the dominance of social media and screen-centric childhood. All the while, despite little attention being directly focused onto MMOs or games in general per-se, the methods of social contagion and exaggeration and hyperbolic self-policing struck me as emblematic of the way FF14's community of glass-boned individuals all throwing stones evolved.

The way the whole virtual medium rewards saying the most outrageous of things, and how people 'trick' themselves into genuinely believing ever-more-retarded things, like that, as casually as you or I might wash the dishes.
 
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RIPRhongoBongo said:
Zenos being a Uber for the WoL, then throwing hands because they didn't tip
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Honestly, the way he shittalked Meteion at the end sent my sides into fucking orbit when I first heard it. I still smile whenever I happen to revisit that cutscene. The whole "nigger, why isn't she dead? WE GOT A DUEL" vibe was great.
 
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Well I have become Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker. I didn't 100% hate it, the low point was definitely the big bad reveal and the assorted eyerolling, but this was the least fun I had with the game by a long shot. The fucking fistfight with Zenos at the end made me laugh out loud so at least it ended on a happy note for me. I know people ITT frequently said that the Scions should have died, but I am a sucker for fairy tale happy endings so I didn't mind it. Also Hythlodaeus was a bro in every incarnation, we all should have a guy like that in our lives.
 
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I'll keep it short because I've sperged about endwalker plenty, but part of the reason I wound up disliking it was that it had such a strong start and then it just shits itself.

The loporrits are the harbingers of the end (of the good part), after that it's the nothingburger days, the elpis camping expedition, a bit of an alright section in Sharlayan and Ultima Thule which is just mid, kinda meanders a little too much in the middle.

Overall I think the limited edition statue of endwalker is a good parallel to the expansion as a whole:
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And yet it's still a masterpiece in storytelling when you compare it to the absolute garbage that is post-EW.
 
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Nanamo's desire to transition Ul'Dah to democracy; Coerthas struggling with the loss of the orthodox church that once made its social structure so rigid; Hien not really sure of what the future holds now that there's no 'bad guy' in the form of Garlemald both to hand him a mandate and to keep the alliance together; Gyr Abania having an internal struggle about the forced occupation of now-conquered Garlemald - all these little doubts and rifts that could have been explored, had we not needed both Elpis and the annoying prelude-to-Elpis whose primary additions to the story were "annoying trivia that confuses the story because it is clearly someone else's story" which themselves seem like context enough for a plague of hopelessness.
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I'll preface this that I'm going off of memory so I could be misremembering, but,

I don't really view any of those as hanging plot threads -- Nanamo's democracy desires were explored, largely in post Stormblood stuff, although I think in HW as well.

Coerthas does explore that through post-HW stuff as well as some of the role quests in EW (and the MCH job quests, too, somewhat.) The occupation of Garlemald is also addressed throughout EW, most notably with the twins (although not just with them, specifically.)

Doma, I think there was some stuff in the role quests but my brain is foggy.

I do think that they just kinda glossed over a lot of it and went through it at light speed, so, fair enough.

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It still boggles the brain that Zenos was clearly resurrected to be the player's foil; whose apathy is clearly supposed to be the antithesis of the player's altruism; who could easily and perfectly fit the role of "conduit of overwhelming hopelessness;" who was unceremoniously sidelined in the story so we could introduce the oh-so-memorable character of Meteion.
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Yeah, Twitter Personified was annoying as fuck and as other people have pointed out in this thread, Fandaniel is a barely functional retard. I do think that there was a need to tie all the Ascian shit in with 'the End Days', but, as you mentioned, all they needed to do was make Zenos the literal antithesis to the WoL (and make him a manifestation of dynamis/Hermes' 'guy', like how Hydaelyn made the WoL 'hers.'
 
The only reason I'm giving post EW a chance is because I hope (against my better judgement) that they are setting something up for the future.
I still think it's absolute dogshit that despite the entire theme of post EW being about the 13th, the characters that we were introduced to who are basically natives of that shard back in shadowbringers are completely absent for the entire thing and are only briefly mentioned in a dialogue choice at the very end. And then if you go back and talk to them and tell them what happened, their response is basically "okay, cool story bro".

A whole lot of nothing and set up that went absolutely fucking nowhere.
 
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Dopey Cunt said:
The only reason I'm giving post EW a chance is because I hope (against my better judgement) that they are setting something up for the future.
I still think it's absolute dogshit that despite the entire theme of post EW being about the 13th, the characters that we were introduced to who are basically natives of that shard back in shadowbringers are completely absent for the entire thing and are only briefly mentioned in a dialogue choice at the very end. And then if you go back and talk to them and tell them what happened, their response is basically "okay, cool story bro".

A whole lot of nothing and set up that went absolutely fucking nowhere.
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I think the technical reason for this is that they wrote themselves into a fucking corner with the two in the first. Cylva's reveal was stupidly locked behind completing all four role quests, and since those are optional, there is a good chance players didn't even know it existed. Best they can do then, is "yeah cool story bro" with no consequences because they cannot make consequences without making those quests mandatory. Same reason with Unukalhai since his quests are tied to the Warring Triad.
 
SE needs to stop shooting themselves in the foot by trying to make optional side content have massive narrative implications. Anything that is not MSQ needs to be a self-contained story that can reference the MSQ but isn't directly tied to it. I guess they figured no one would play it if they didn't, but most people still don't do all the role quests anyways so that was pointless. It was way better when we had class quests that told their own stories and expanded the lore on how we somehow keep learning new abilities every expansion. If it's becoming unmanagable maybe that's because they shouldn't be bloating their game with two more redundant jobs and a slew of new abilities every single expansion. Maybe only make changes when there is a reason to.

Everything in Endwalker is totally undercooked and I think that's why I hate it so much. I do see some good ideas underneath it all. Variant dungeons are a good idea. Island Sanctuary is a good idea. The theme and premise of Endwalker as a whole is really really good. The execution on everything is so fucking awful that it almost feels intentional. Like there is no way you could fuck up everything this bad unless you were trying to sabotage it. Now that they're fully committed to the tranny cause that may actually be accurate.
 
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Kheapathic said:
He doesn't have his own thread, and not sure where else to drop this; but JoCat came back and is starting his tranny phase.

Twitter: https://twitter.com/JoCat105/status/1783746555167588748
Archive: https://archive.is/wip/Nv0m2

Remember, allegedly, he likes girls...
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He does like girls. He likes them so much he gets off on being one. Seems like the should be some sort of term for that sort of thing...

But seriously if you couldn't see his troon debut coming from a mile away, I dunno what to tell you.
 
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I do think that they just kinda glossed over a lot of it and went through it at light speed, so, fair enough.
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I suppose when I say "left hanging," I mean that the concept isn't complete-per-se. They do explore certain aspects of these things in the role quests, which lead up to a boss fight that I remember exists but otherwise remember nothing about - but it's not really much substantial.

For me, it's not so much that these are ideas which need to be completed as they are opportunities for interesting storytelling and detail to be explored. In contrast to what was done with EW, I would have much preferred the world and the story they had already carved out to be used instead of cooking up something new and rushing it out the door.

It's not helped by the fact that Shadowbringers was both a soft reboot and yet still managed to feel like it was more in-tune with the story of the previous expansions than did EW. Nor by the fact that Shadowbringers doesn't betray its own themes in a rush to fart out a boring JRPG story about how important friendship is.
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JoCat came back and is starting his tranny phase.
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Oh, he'll be one to watch. Posh affluent white kid who clearly has issues with women groomed into sex pervert shit? Actually, now that I say it, that's pretty mundane these days.
 
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Troon Whisperer said:
JoCat is proof that supporting trannies is a dangerous game because no matter how much girldick you suck, eventually they will turn on you unless you lop your cock off and join them in their misery.
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Called it, JoCat decided to join the trannies in their misery so he can start producing content again with their approval.
 
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The Bovinian Derivative said:
Well I have become Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker. I didn't 100% hate it, the low point was definitely the big bad reveal and the assorted eyerolling, but this was the least fun I had with the game by a long shot. The fucking fistfight with Zenos at the end made me laugh out loud so at least it ended on a happy note for me. I know people ITT frequently said that the Scions should have died, but I am a sucker for fairy tale happy endings so I didn't mind it. Also Hythlodaeus was a bro in every incarnation, we all should have a guy like that in our lives.
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I think its more of the Scions needed to be taken out of the spotlight, ShB being Scion focused was supposed to be a novelty but its overstayed its shelf life now, and honestly between Shadowbringers and Endwalker, its very apparent that the Scions can't carry a scene or plotline anymore. Their stories are effectively done, so any time spent on them is basically just dead air at this point. These characters need to be retired and given proper endings, and a new cast should be brought on.

SE seems to afraid to do anything to them outside of them sorta just existing as zombies that repeat their most notable actions from previous expansions which isn't helping. I will bet money on Estinien being once again involved in some dragon activity in Dawntrail, while a piano rendition of dragonsong plays no less.
 
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Linako 2.0 said:
And lo, the humiliation ritual has begun, when will he start grooming kids?
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I feel it began, when his girlfriend (allegedly) drew a picture of her dragging him to the bedroom for destressing sex.

Go from "I like girls" to his girlfriend having a "You're on the Internet too much, let's fuck" is... it's something... something not good.
 
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Doesn't JoCat allegedly have a girlfriend?
A part of me hopes that he's doing this to piss off the troons his already pissed off ages ago. They're already mad, might as well make them more mad.
 
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