Stellar Blade / Project Eve Thread - aka Stellar Ass

[Snekposter]

From my understanding? Always. But this is the first time I've seen him weigh in on a subject, take the wrong side, and then get all smug about it.

Did you miss the infamous cheese thread? Null went full lolcow, although to his credit he's left it up instead of deleting it in shame, even though he did lock it... after 122 pages of mockery.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

I also posted this in the MATI thread but if you're interested in Stellar Blade and Null:

Null's Stellar Blade MATI segment summary.

0) Pre-Stellar Blade intro: Null talks about the Stardew Valley pronoun controversy and the woke SJWs starting a petition to force the game dev to put pronouns in for all versions of the game. Null segues into the Stellar Blade anti-censorship petition started by Mark Kern (grummz), an anti-wokist.

1) Stellar Blade intro: Korean game devs make an action RPG and the main character is a digitized version of a real and attractive (possible plastic surgery) Korean woman, to own the woke SJWs. It seems like the perfect game until the day of the PS5 release, where it receives a day-1 patch censoring multiple things (Eve's costumes, gore, and environment details).

2) Which brings us to the #FreeStellerBlade petition, where Null makes fun of the physical appearances of game nerds who uploaded videos of themselves showing their support for the campaign.

I agree that these video game nerds are not Chads and a few of them weren't very eloquent in how they presented the argument. While their performances could be a lot worse, they could be better. I'm all for making fun of people's physical appearances but having said that:

1. What did Null expect video game nerds to look like? Chris Hemsworth? Timothée Chalamet? Francisco "Chico" Lachowski? Historically speaking, nerd hobbies like video games and card games and Star Wars have always been the domain of the "rejects" of society. Chads and Chad-lites have more physical hobbies like sports or gym.
2. Most of the people Null made fun of are perfectly average 5/10s. Maybe 4/10. They're perfectly normal average looking people. If he is making fun of the psygionomy of these gamers, then he is also indirectly making fun of the average Kiwi Farms user.
3. Facially speaking, they are not on the same (low) level as the Antifa mugshot crew, fat positivity advocates, or dangerhair leftists. Let's not forget Alyssa Mercante, the Kotaku game "journalist"/BPD leftist whore that's on the other side of the Steller Blade debate.
4. With all due respect, if Null made a #FreeStellerBlade support video like the other #FreeStellerBlade gamers did, he wouldn't look out of place, he'd fit right in.
5. Most importantly, while they, like I said, weren't completely eloquent, a few of them did make good points (Western game nudity and sex scene = good, Asian game showing a bit of skin = bad, etc). These points were ignored by Null, in favor of making fun of their psygionomy instead.

3) Null talks about the "bounties" (or as Grummz prefer to put it, death threats) that were placed on Grummz by various leftists. Null mocks the idea that these bounties can be considered threatening in any way.

4) Null looks at one of Eve's before/after-censorship costumes, a leotard.

Here, Null (unwittingly?) uses the standard leftist and/or feminist talking points, describing a leotard as "impossible" and "very loose fitting...the boobs would just fall out" when female MMA fighters, female gymnasts or even just normal female beachgoers wear less than that. He ends on the leotard analysis saying "the most unconfortable looking thing that could ever possibly be worn." I don't know if he truly believes this or he is just being hyperbolic.

5) Null briefly talks about the "Hard R" censorship without mentioning what replaced it: "CrimeR" - the new euphemism for Black people after "Jogger" from a few years ago. It is funny because Black people commit crime more than other races, hence Crimer.

6) Null briefly returns to the costume designs.

7) Null talks about differences in culture and values between Western and Asian game developers and audiences. Eg. The leaked Capcom memo claims that Western audiences like ugly video game characters.

Null emphasizes that even though he "didn't care about this (issue)," a bunch of Twitter/X anime avatars (and possible pedos) started violently threatening him. Null brings up the Korean MMO game Terra Online as an example of a "localization" that "probably isn't that controversial" where skimpy clothes for young females were censored outside of Korea.

1. Seeing as how Null didn't empathize with Grummz, his concerns about his safety, and giving him the benefit of the doubt that his concerns could have validity, I'm not sure why Null expects us to care about him and the so-called "violent threats" from "anime avatar pedos"?

2. I'm not sure what point he is trying to make here about Terra Online. Is he pro or anti-censorship? In this particular case, he sounds like he is pro-censorship because it agrees with his personal morals.

9) A twitter user uses an analogy, comparing Sony's censorship of Stellar Blade, to Hurricane's censorship of Kiwi Farms. Null makes the counter-argument that you can still buy Stellar Blade, and mod Steller Blade, but you can't get around Hurricane, so it's different. He further adds that Sony's "voluntary" handling of Stellar Blade is localization, not censorship.

1. To me this sounds like mental gymnastics or some kind of coping. My view is consistent: it's bad when Sony censors Stellar Blade, and it's bad when Hurricane censors Kiwi Farms. Simple as.

2. Sony's handling of Stellar Blade is BOTH localization AND censorship. It's localization in the sense that the Korean gaming audience and the Western (or "modern") gaming audience may have different tastes, preferences, values and culture. In Korea, they like their bitches skinny (just like their non-obese population), hence Eve. In the modern West where 50%+ of the population is overweight or obese, and where there is a higher proliferation of leftist progressive ideology, leading to the demonization of attractive slim female game characters. Sony, under the impression that this is their audience (which it may or may not be), implements censorship to Eve's costumes to please their supposed audience. The "Hard R/Crime R" is another example of both localization and censorship.

3. An example of something that is a localization (eg. assisting audiences to understand) but not censorship (eg. protecting the feelings of the audience), is the Shoshinsha (newbie driver) mark from Kirby Super Star: https://tcrf.net/Kirby_Super_Star As a hardline anti-censorshipper I would argue this is still censorship (by erasing Japanese culture) but for the sake of lookinag at the bigger picture, I'll just compromise let it slide.

10) Null says petitions are useless and lawsuits are the way to go.

My counter-argument is petitions are mostly useless but they are still good for publicity and getting people who care about things to feel like they are participating in something and eventually, this can lead to the lawsuit. It's not either/or. It can be both.

11) Null says Sony is only motivated by money, sales and stockholders.

1. Seeing as how the other massive billion dollar conglomerate Disney, keeps making complete shit after shit instead of making products that audiences will actually enjoy (pretty easy, just give them what they want), I don't know how true that is.
2. Null is ignoring DEI, ESG, BRIDGE or whatever fucking acronym they are using now that often conflicts with the "making money and sales" goal.

12) Null brings up the lawsuit again, in relation to false advertising. He ends the segment with making fun of a Black #FreeStellarBlade supporter and the way he talks.

1. I agree that the false advertising route is the way to go. Sony/Shift Up promised no censorship. They censored on the first day of release. They have to pay for that.
2. Null didn't mention or doesn't know about how people are getting refunds for Stellar Blade. That is also an effective method of customers voicing their complaints and hurting them in the wallet.
3. With all due respect, Null of all people, making fun of the way other people talk.

TL;DR - Null has fallen, billions must sneed.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

Did you miss the infamous cheese thread? Null went full lolcow, although to his credit he's left it up instead of deleting it in shame, even though he did lock it... after 122 pages of mockery.

The cheese thread was literally someone proving his initial point wrong, he moved goal posts, someone proves that wrong, he moves goal posts, and rinse and repeat until his new point is that Americans in isolated mountain towns with sub-50 populations cannot reliably get access to quality, local cheeses with 200 years of tradition. Even though like no one in Europe does that except for a village of incest mutants who make a special cheese for the Baron of Walachia.
Also Lidl Drip or someone else would dick suck his posts.

The Stellar Blade thing is more, it’s a coomer game and he’s not into that. If you want to get results from his POV get the ball rolling on a class action lawsuit. Even just funding it will scare people. Null comes across as a bit of an asshole in text, so eventually the most stable Twitter posters (deranged faggots) took umbrage and wished death upon him for not being overly positive.

So far the ost fit the game isn’t bad. I’ve watched gameplay and the fucking English VA recorded like two grunt lines and it’s honestly infuriating. 2B and Dante had like 10 minimum.

 

[X Prime]

Baron of Walachia

Dracula came back and is into cheese instead of blood now?

That explains so much.

 

[Judge Dredd]

It seems the current drama with Helldivers 2, and the drama with Limited Run Games, is overshadowing the Steller Blade stuff. Hopefully it's not so much of a distraction that Shift Up and Sony get off the hook.

 

[Spud]

These people are not saving the West.

Very interesting that this is your issue with them. Which then leads to the same question being thrown back at you, what are YOU doing to "save the west"? How does acting like a pseudo-intellectual on a niche Internet forum help us save the west? Are you getting involved with politics at your local level? Talking to the people of the west you want to save? If saving the west means siding with people like you why would anyone want to?

 

[David Kirk Ginder]

My MATI post in this thread: https://kiwifarmsaaf4t2h7gc3dfc5ojh...oject-eve-thread.129509/page-39#post-18293776

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Polar opposites. Even Kiwi Farms isn't immune from safe spaces/echo chambers.

Oh well at least I got a highlight.

I mean to a degree I agree with him and then he sounds like a total faggot.

Believe it or not, to a small to medium degree I also agree with Null. But replace faggot with retard. His strongest point is about legal action for false advertising to hit the company's wallet where it hurts, but he made his point in a retarded way.

I mean, Null looks like a gamer himself, so this is a pot calling the kettle black.

I haven't studied Null lore but I'm pretty sure he has a history of Minecraft and Maple Story, among other games. Cue the Spiderman pointing at each othe meme.

I got a bunch of negative stickers for saying this in the MATI thread, but even if we take @Wu-Terf Clan and Null's position that these nerds are ugly and it's fun to laugh at them, the pro censorship side is way, way, WAY worse.

As a person who supports freedom of speech, I support people's right to make fun of someone else's physical appearance. But to make fun of the Pro-StellarBladers is like looking at a piece of shit and a piece of turd and saying "this piece of shit stinks"

Yes. It used to be "degenerate". People don't like to admit the right and the left share the same goals and tactics.

Fan service games historically have been disliked like by the right for being degenerate and liked by the left for going against the values of the right but then at the some point in the last 15 years left-leaning people changed their views more and more on beauty standards and "objectification of women" so at this point most of them don't really care for fan-service games either. They have different journeys for how they got to their stances but the destination is the same: pretty scantily clad women in a game are an issue.

Horseshoe theory I think. Even though the right and the left ostensibly disagrees with each other on key issues, they end up wanting to achieve the same goal. Example:

Harry Potter
Left: This franchise was started by a transphobic TERF. Ban Harry Potter.
Right: This franchise is the work of the devil. Ban Harry Potter.

Attractive female game character in revealing clothing
Left: This is sexual exploitation of a female character who did not give her consent to dress this way for the male gaze. This should be banned.
Right: This is degenerate coomer bait for pornsick modern men, discouraging them from making families. This should be banned.

What's funny is that Null, who I understand is neither leftist nor right, seems to be using both left (these costumes look unrealistic and uncomfortable) and right (this is degenerate slop for ugly Incel nerds) arguments to own the coomers in the MATI podcast. I don't think this counts as a win, for Null's part.

These people are not saving the West. They are not preserving traditional norms. They are fighting tooth and nail for a virtual, fictional, female protagonist that they can coom to. They are faggots to the Nth degree. Future people will not remember them, nor care for them.

Did the ProStellarBladers ever claim to want to save the West or preserve traditional norms? I don't think that is their fight. They just want no censorship by leftist prudes on their coomer game. The anti-censorship battle is a worthy battle by itself, whether we are protecting the integrity of coomer games (eg. Stellar Blade) or forum communications (eg. Kiwi Farms). And one result of this battle is the "SBI Detected" steam group which has caught greater attention of the gaming public.

This is not what they're doing.

The specific thing the left-wing have an issue with is not only if the woman is sexy, but if they are straight and monogamous on top of that. They have no problem with a woman being a skank.

If you haven't read it already, for the relationship between leftists/feminists and attractive female video game characters:

https://kiwifarms.st/posts/18082772/

Also Lidl Drip or someone else would dick suck his posts.

I'm noticing more of my posts being rated "Dumb" by both Lidl Drip and Android Raptor.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Very interesting

Nope, it's not interesting. It's very straightforward.

this is your issue

My main issue is the degree by which I laugh at the ongoing faggotry. Like, do I laugh out loud or do I chuckled a bit? I can't decide.

Did the ProStellarBladers ever claim to want to save the West or preserve traditional norms?

The entire thing has been politicized and is being stoked by the regular culture war nonsense.
The fact that you're even insinuating the censorship is inherently "leftist" means you believe it is political too.

People just need to stop pretending and just admit they want coomer material and they're angry that Sony localized it.
Nothing about this "anti-censorship" endeavor is noble or good. It's just homosexuals being homosexuals.

I'm noticing more of my posts being rated "Dumb" by both Lidl Drip and Android Raptor.

Seems like you're annoying all the right people.

 

[Judge Dredd]

The fact that you're even insinuating the censorship is inherently "leftist" means you believe it is political too.

It depends what you're refering to.

As they said

Attractive female game character in revealing clothing
Left: This is sexual exploitation of a female character who did not give her consent to dress this way for the male gaze. This should be banned.
Right: This is degenerate coomer bait for pornsick modern men, discouraging them from making families. This should be banned.

Sony and the games press are on the left.

People just need to stop pretending and just admit they want coomer material and Sony localized it.

I don't think I was ever pretending, but sure, I can do that. I want coomer material.

I think I can already predict the responce.

 

[BananaSplit²]

I feel that the coombrained insult is just a way to handwaive away a genuine complaint while sucking corporate cock and chugging cum.

Everytime I see that word used in a serious manner, I'm picturing some puritan american (or anglo) on the Internet who gets upset over people naturally enjoying the sight of pretty-looking women and pretends to have the higher moral ground. Which would have been fine if this puritanism wasn't being forced in other western countries and the Asia region, through influencing social media and companies, as nobody in the world is seemingly allowed to have fun things ever in current year.

Also the lead concept artist / character designer of Stellar Blade is a woman, like it's been the case for several known instances of sexy fictional heroines.
You might as well start banning women from artistic mediums if some deranged Internet users want the "degenerate stuff destroying the West" (lol) gone.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Sony and the games press are on the left.

Doesn't matter. But that hasn't stopped coomers from turning it into something it isn't.

I want coomer material.

Pornography is free. And you don't need to support Sony to get it.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Everytime I see that word used in a serious manner, I'm picturing some puritan american (or anglo) on the Internet who gets upset over people naturally enjoying the sight of pretty-looking women and pretends to have the higher moral ground. Which would have been fine if this puritanism wasn't being forced in other western countries and the Asia region, through influencing social media and companies, as nobody in the world is seemingly allowed to have fun things ever in current year.

Also the lead concept artist / character designer of Stellar Blade is a woman, like it's been the case for several known instances of sexy fictional heroines.
You might as well start banning women from artistic mediums if some deranged Internet users want the "degenerate stuff destroying the West" (lol) gone.

Just to be clear, I don't agree with the coombrain insult. I don't see any problem with wanting to play as an attractive character. More so when she's a real woman who looks like that. It shouldn't make the game, but it should be, and is, a nice bonus in the case of SB.

 

[David Kirk Ginder]

Pornography is free. And you don't need to support Sony to get it.

Let me check my notes...

But pornography is inherently exploitative, misogynistic, and goes hand in hand with human trafficking. It is not possible to have ethical consumption of pornography under a capitalist system.

Me jacking off myself to a female video game character designed by Koreans harms nobody.

 

[Cheeseknife]

But pornography is inherently exploitative, misogynistic, and goes hand in hand with human trafficking. It is not possible to have ethical consumption of pornography under a capitalist system.

Me jacking off myself to a female video game character designed by Koreans harms nobody.

Big thunk.
Is this actually an argument they're putting up?
If so, my sides...

 

[BananaSplit²]

Just to be clear, I don't agree with the coombrain insult. I don't see any problem with wanting to play as an attractive character. More so when she's a real woman who looks like that. It shouldn't make the game, but it should be, and is, a nice bonus in the case of SB.

No problem and I can agree that female sexiness shouldn't be the sole redeeming factor for a game.

It's more this English trend of naming everything "coomer" (or pornography as the argument was just brought up here) if they have something remotely close to pretty characters and teasing. Americans (and anglos to an extent) are again free to think like this but it's their unhanded methods to force their values and politics into other country's cultures (including mine), and sabotaging foreign media projects, that really bothers me ultimately.

 

[SiccDicc]

Even Kiwi Farms isn't immune from safe spaces/echo chambers.

I thought that was obvious.

 

[Male Idiot]

Stop autistic slapfighting over the petition guy. Go to his grifter thread and do it there. I wanted to see Sony taking Ls not 20 pages of autistic slapfights.

The game was advertised as coomer game. Than they censored it. That is a shitty thing to do.

I don't play console shit nor souls shit, so this definately doesn't effect me. But pulling this after launch is nasty.

Never pre-order, is the lesson of Dawn of War 3.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Pornography is free.

There it is. I was expecting "Just look at tits on the internet", but that's close enough.

It also doesn't make sense because-

The issue is that these women are scantily--clad for the puposes of enabling coomers who will never look for real wives because they have a supply of virtual waifus to cater to their coomer desires.

is exactly the same thing. So which is it?

Look, I get it. You're trapped in a loop of ideological brain rot while trying desperately to pretend that your above it all and having a sensible chuckle at the expense of both sides, but it's not working.

These arguments have been around since long before Anita Sarkeesian launched her first Kickstarter, and since then her ideas were completely discredited, but no one on the pro-censorship side has been able to think of a better argument, so they keep repeating the old ones and they keep getting slapped down. To put it another way, you've brought a fart to a shit fight and your gotchas repeatedly fail to land.

Stop autistic slapfighting over the petition guy. Go to his grifter thread and do it there.

Fair enough.

 

[Cheeseknife]

I wanted to see Sony taking Ls

There's already a thread covering this.

brain rot

Go back to Reddit.

These arguments have been around since long before Anita Sarkeesian launched her first Kickstarter, and since then her ideas were completely discredited, but no one on the pro-censorship side has been able to think of a better argument, so they keep repeating the old ones and they keep getting slapped down. To put it another way, you've brought a fart to a shit fight and your gotchas repeatedly fail to land.

The fact that you think I give a shit about what one side or the other wants is hilarious.

 

[David Kirk Ginder]

Big thunk.
Is this actually an argument they're putting up?
If so, my sides...

Not really, I was just mocking their arguments.

In reality, "they" are schizophrenic when it comes to pornography. They are both pro-porn and anti-porn at the same time, all the time. This is to disorient, demoralize, and to confuse you.

I hate YouTube bots but I'll let my Turtle buddy here sum it up: