Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

Really wish there were some places where these men couldn't shove their way in and do this. I don't care to read about a man trying anal for the first time.

Try r/LesbianActually. They’re actually real women, and they have a discord. Last week the found a straight dude hiding out, so they banned and blasted him on the form. There’s clearly trannies lurking here and there, but you can figure it out easily.

 

[doodoocaca]

Not sure if this was posted before, but fuck it, couldn't see it doing a cursory search:

When are we going to actually address the consistent reports from MtF troons and FtM pooners?

TiMs are clearly willing to accept the fantasy of being treated like a woman, including all the negatives (condescension, being demeaned or infantilized, seem as dumb, etc), even if it's a goddamn lie, while reporting how they were treated as autistic men being so bad it was worth it. Many seem to double down on it all even after the chop because they "at least exist," even if this is a hellish 'answer' to their problems. No, it's not all explainable by AGP, but I'll be damned if that isn't quite present too, that smirk tells a lot, and yes there are troonsitioning men who are just coomers like that one youtuber faggot Chris The meme God or w/e.

TiFs are escaping mistreatment and in seeking such escapes are suckered into the bullshit - until after poonsitioning, in which case they revert to very female ways of communicating feelings and asking for help. They admit they did not find the escape, confidence, or empowerment they wanted, but instead had more problems heaped on, and on top of it were treated as non people. Indeed, given the choice between invisibility and being looked down on but seen as a person and helped, they'll choose the latter. This is MUCH less likely to be a fetish and AAP, but sure that probably exists too.

Of course, both sexes are so comorbid with autism it isn't funny! The similarities are pretty clear: they're people with bad social skills who are often (extremely) autistic and trying to fix problems according to bullshit they've been fed and don't know how to see through, because they're autistic and society has said this for all of their young lives.
Instead of looking at it this way, many people just go "haha lol fuck them extra hard," except for people who might sympathize with either group by identifying with them. People do not often care because it's another person and a trend that's fucking over young people, and people will even argue over who counts more because of whatever, which makes me want to just say nigger over and over and throw a chair.

So, given that troons and poons are very, very clearly saying we're failing a lot of people to the point they get that desperate, when do we do anything about what they've told us?

I'm guessing "never", but, I wonder if anyone else has thought of it this way or heard rumblings from researchers or doctors. Even if we just stop the industrial chopping that's a victory, but that still leaves a lot of problems unfixed that will just fester and find other outlets.

 

[Jacques1194]

I always thought they did male characters worse, especially with Japanese media characters. Characters like Bridget from guilty gear (who eventually did get transed), chihiro from danganronpa and Marulk from made in abyss. There's more probably. Gender noncomformity is always going to be much more noticeable when it's a boy being girly.

Though there's also a lot of female cross dressers being assumed to be trans as well, like Dororo from Dororo, Ed from Cowboy Bebop and Naoto from persona... Even Shiek from Zelda. Maybe it's more evenly split than I thought...

Some characters I've noticed they try to make trans reeks of desperation. For example, there's a popular headcanon in the South Park fandom where the character Kyle is a trans boy because.......he's over emotional and more compassionate than the other boys? Nevermind the fact that the episode (and I hate saying this) Wieners Out refuted that headcanon because you can clearly see his wiener.

Another trans headcanon I hate is Buttercup from the powerpuff girls. Literally there's no evidence of her being a boy except that she's not traditionally girly like her sisters and is more of the tough GNC girl. I really hate how TRAs lie and claim they aren't about stereotypes and yet their entire argument for why a character is trans is because she doesn't act like a stereotypical girl. Also I get really annoyed when TRAs fire back with shit like "They're fictional characters so let people have fun with their headcanons". when shit like that is going to confuse more girls who relate to buttercup and will think that they can't be girls if they dont act like walking stereotypes of their sex.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Instead of looking at it this way, many people just go "haha lol fuck them extra hard," except for people who might sympathize with either group by identifying with them. People do not often care because it's another person and a trend that's fucking over young people, and people will even argue over who counts more because of whatever, which makes me want to just say nigger over and over and throw a chair.

So, given that troons and poons are very, very clearly saying we're failing a lot of people to the point they get that desperate, when do we do anything about what they've told us?

I'm guessing "never", but, I wonder if anyone else has thought of it this way or heard rumblings from researchers or doctors. Even if we just stop the industrial chopping that's a victory, but that still leaves a lot of problems unfixed that will just fester and find other outlets.

I'm going to be very sad to say this but I think never. Society doesn't care and doesn't have the energy to care. They're just more damaged youth who aren't worth fixing since there's no simple solution and they require years of therapy that doesn't even guarantee they will always get better, so whatever, just ignore them.

Historonic teen girls and boys? Young people past the age of 18 acting weird and like they need extra help? Whatever. People who need a lot more hands on care past child age get dropped though the cracks yet again because nobody thinks about it or wants to think about it.

 

[doodoocaca]

I'm going to be very sad to say this but I think never. Society doesn't care and doesn't have the energy to care. They're just more damaged youth who aren't worth fixing since there's no simple solution and they require years of therapy that doesn't even guarantee they will always get better, so whatever, just ignore them.

Historonic teen girls and boys? Young people past the age of 18 acting weird and like they need extra help? Whatever. People who need a lot more hands on care past child age get dropped though the cracks yet again because nobody thinks about it or wants to think about it.

I'll add to this that a lot of the for-profit, industrialized ways to ""fix"" this just make things much, much, much, much worse. I HATE watching this shit and sitting on my hands, but what's the alternative? Suggesting we not treat women like sex objects, or men like money dispensers and worker-bots? Maybe intervening with autists and pairing them with other autists instead of leaving them to just flail in wider society like we have since social media took over?

HAHA RIGHT!?

 

[grenouille crétine]

When are we going to actually address the consistent reports from MtF troons and FtM pooners?

You have missed quite a bit but that’s ok. For some specific and fairly recent mile markers to check out, try “Cass report” and “WPATH files”.

I am following some Substacks of detrans with open lawsuits to keep tabs, and they do post updates, but it’s a slog. Maybe one small celebration every six to nine months, of how one cogtooth of being allowed to sue at all has inched forward. Chloe Cole is a name that’s been posted here wrt lawsuits, and is a more high-profile case anyway as these things go. Ritchie Herron and Kiera Bell are two others. Chloe is American and Ritchie and Kiera are from the UK.

Tony/“Erin” Reed’s thread is also a good one to check for him being hysterically wrong about American courts putting the brakes on pediatric transition etc. and also because him and his “wife” “Zooey Zephyr”, who is a “Congresswoman”, make about the funniest couple you’ll ever see. Zach (Zoey) is very clearly gay and actually into Tony, who is conversely a drug-addled hetero crossdresser too deep in the LARP to back out now.

 

[Parasaurolophus walkeri]

Some characters I've noticed they try to make trans reeks of desperation. For example, there's a popular headcanon in the South Park fandom where the character Kyle is a trans boy because.......he's over emotional and more compassionate than the other boys? Nevermind the fact that the episode (and I hate saying this) Wieners Out refuted that headcanon because you can clearly see his wiener.

Another trans headcanon I hate is Buttercup from the powerpuff girls. Literally there's no evidence of her being a boy except that she's not traditionally girly like her sister's and is more of the tough GNC girl. I really hate how TRAs lie and claim they aren't about stereotypes and yet their entire argument for why a character is trans is because she doesn't act like a stereotypical girl. Also I get really annoyed when TRAs fire back with shit like "They're fictional characters so let people have fun with their headcanons". when shit like that is going to confuse more girls who relate to buttercup and will think that they can't be girls if they dont act like walking stereotypes of their sex.

The powerpuff girls in the original show are in kindergarten. I don't know much about south park but a quick google search states Kyle is in elementary school. I'm not a fan of trans headcanons in general but these two in particular, I find distasteful. Let kids be kids ya weirdos

 

[doodoocaca]

You have missed quite a bit but that’s ok. For some specific and fairly recent mile markers to check out, try “Cass report” and “WPATH files”.

I am following some Substacks of detrans with open lawsuits to keep tabs, and they do post updates, but it’s a slog. Maybe one small celebration every six to nine months, of how one cogtooth of being allowed to sue at all has inched forward. Chloe Cole is a name that’s been posted here wrt lawsuits, and is a more high-profile case anyway as these things go. Ritchie Herron and Kiera Bell are two others. Chloe is American and Ritchie and Kiera are from the UK.

Tony/“Erin” Reed’s thread is also a good one to check for him being hysterically wrong about American courts putting the brakes on pediatric transition etc. and also because him and his “wife” “Zooey Zephyr”, who is a “Congresswoman”, make about the funniest couple you’ll ever see. Zach (Zoey) is very clearly gay and actually into Tony, who is conversely a drug-addled hetero crossdresser too deep in the LARP to back out now.

"We" - yes, I was nebulous, my mistake - as in society writ large.

I am very, very glad that some people, in some places, like us here, and especially particularly ballsy people, publicly, with careers and lives on the line, are finally doing something about this. But this isn't just about "stopping trooning." The point I want to make is there's hurt making them want to troon we need to address to stop this at the source, and not just because it leads to trooning.

 

[Arpharp8976Fire]

Trans people are like when authors write characters in their novels that are the opposite gender to them. Superficially they can be accurate but some author's struggle and end up with a voice that doesn't seem accurate to the character because really you have no way of knowing the actual experience of being the opposite gender you can only imagine it.

 

[Manat]

I watched ceicocat video, the incel to trans pipeline, which I saw posted on the farms a while ago, and I hate it.

It gave me the same vibes I got of a documentary I saw of a 9 years old Japanese girl who got bullied by other kids for her extra small eyes, because it seemed like she glared at people when she looked at them. So what does her totally normal loving mother do? She says "yes, you are an ugly bitch, child", and books her a double eyelids plastic surgery. The poor girl for some reason or another, doesn't go under during the surgery and starts screaming and crying. I assume the bullying stops as she is "cuter" now or whatever, I stopped watching at this point.
Here it is: https://youtu.be/PiL94XZmq14

Ceicocat does the same thing, he gives in to what he thinks society expects of him. He falls inline and dresses as woman to be able to be "sensitive" and to look "pretty". He didn't even try to be a sensitive or pretty man, like the mother never tried to support her daughter confidence or deal with the bullies. But this is only one superficial reason that he harps on, he never goes deeper. He wants to be "pretty" and he is "sad".

There seems to be a sexual aspect that he tactfully never touches. He was a crossdresser from a young age, I doubt this was done without an accompanying "euphoria". But waaaah he is disgusted and horrified by the concept of AGP, total lies and bs by those TERFs. In reality, there is no deeper meaning other than "I'm a broken man, I'm perverted, accept me".


He describes his consumption of female hormones like they're cocaine, just like all other trannies. He actually uses a common trope from anime to describe it, an animation of a blooming flower. It's usually used to convey a moment of deep emotional understanding of something, a profound life changing moment. In this moment, wide eyed protagonist-kun understands finally after 10 out of 12 episodes that YES, girl-san has feelings for him, too.

So imagine with me, the tranny runs home almost tripping every other step, bolts the door, opens up the bottle with shaking hands, swallows two and almost chokes on the water he drinks. AND THEN... Absolutely nothing. It changes nothing. It solves nothing.

With the power of delusion, taking those two pills everyday changes everything for the tranny. He stops being a man, and he finally escapes his man-shell. Even when HRT does all it can accomplish in his man body and gives him those triangular breasts, he continues to eat these hormones everyday like a religious duty. I think HRT is similar to an insurance, as long as you take the pills you're not your old self nor a man. You're a woman or a non-man, a new person with a new chance at life, and to live everything you didn't have the guts to do before.

I guess what I hate is that it's a defeat story paraded as a self discovery one. I got bullied, so I had plastic surgery. I hated my life as a man, so I took girl-pills. I will have less of a problem with it if trannies said "I'm a pervert and wearing women clothes makes me horny". Just drop the fake deep reasoning you sell people.


(I know that this hyouka gif doesn't represent what I described exactly, but it's close enough. Suddenly I can't remember any other animes)

 

[Tragi-Chan]

This talk of gender nonconformity brings up something that occurred to me the other day. Rigid stereotypes serve commercial interests. Think how many products are aimed at making you fit a gender ideal. A woman who doesn’t conform (or a man for that matter) isn’t buying as much useless crap.

On the other hand, trans people represent a new market. Not only do they have to work on gender presentation, but you can invent a whole new range of products for them. Packers and binders spring to mind.

 

[SevenEleven]

On what @doodoocaca and @Manat were saying:

The fact that trannies mythologize every aspect of their transition tells me they've completely lost the plot and that this stopped being about living as the opposite gender a long time ago. To so many, it's now set of magic cure-all rituals that let you be reborn as a new person.

It's not hard to imagine that that almost mythological rebirth is something that's incredibly appealing to vulnerable people, whether they be incel losers or confused (and often abused) girls. It's a much more exciting sell than actually working on yourself. Why put in all that effort of learning hobbies, getting a job and growing more confident in socializing, when you can instead just start over as the opposite gender? Of course, deep down they're still the same broken person they were before. But now, they get a scapegoat, and a powerful one. The only reason they were a loser before was because of dysphoria. They only reason they're a loser now is because of transphobia.

But let's be honest with ourselves, most of them put zero effort in and pass horribly because they have no interest in cross-sex activities beyond maybe what brings coom if they've got a bad case of AGP/AAP. They're interested in a restart and a community, not in the spiritual "living as their true self" bullshit.

Modern tranny culture pushes transitioning as a cure-all for the insecure and all it ever does is make their lives worse. The way it seems engineered to appeal to the desperate and vulnerable is really sinister. I just wish we could actually help some of them.

 

[Arpharp8976Fire]

Trooning has to be caused by failing to get pussy / dick imo. It starts by picking up hobbies of the opposite gender in order to appear "not like the other girls / boys" but completely fails because men or women can see straight through that shit that you're not special or interesting

 

[Susanna]

I watched ceicocat video, the incel to trans pipeline, which I saw posted on the farms a while ago, and I hate it.

Inside Mari isn’t even about a tranny, nor is it a conventional body swap story, it’s more like a psychological detective drama. Isao doesn’t become Mari, Mari is creating split personalities to deal with childhood trauma and being a repressed lesbian.

It probably did start out as the tranny body swap story they’re imagining it to be, the author did end the first book with an explanation of why he wishes he could be a woman, but he also points out that men can never be women and later says he’s gotten over it and realised he doesn’t actually want to be a woman, around the same time the twist that Isao was never Mari is revealed. Possibly he changed the ending, but troons who look at this as some kind of definitive trans story are still engaging in fan fiction. That’s not what it is.

 

[grenouille crétine]

The point I want to make is there's hurt making them want to troon we need to address to stop this at the source, and not just because it leads to trooning.

I see what you mean. I agree with @AMHOLIO that sadly those forces are far too nebulous and the problems too far-reaching for it to be a priority, and people will continue to fall through the cracks. I needed safe housing and food as a young person, but it’s a lot easier to write a script for T and tell someone to go to a church food drive or beg said church for rent money.

Yes, the progressive gender clinic told a kid scared of being a dyke to cold-call churches to ask for money, and that was as far as their concern about my housing situation went. I can’t even be surprised anymore I was encouraged to start T while actively in a bad situation, as the WPATH files talk about homeless men getting orchiectomies. We might castrate animals with rubber bands, but I can’t imagine that’s a fun operation to recover from as a semi-sapient being sitting on a cardboard box in the rain. It’s insanity.

 

[Vandyke Clown]

I want to write a bit about a particular type of trans (for there are many): the groomed kid.

The brainwashing fog that trans activists emit is so suffocating that vulnerable young people start to believe it strongly enough to become utterly convinced that the only thing that can help them is drugs'n'surgery. What begins as a normal kid, struggling with a condition like ASD, ADHD, anxiety, depression, or perhaps internalised homophobia, is twisted into a creature hell-bent on a newfound identity of righteous victimhood that explains and validates and reinforces all their negative feelings in a spiral descent into serious mental illness. They are suffering because they are trans, and they are trans because they are suffering. The activists talk about suicide all the time. Is it surprising that these kids start thinking about it so much? It serves as a mortal threat chasing them towards what they are told is the only alternative: transition. By the time the kid turns up with clinical distress at a gender clinic (and it is real distress), they have spent years online steeped in a culture that venerates transition (it's a human right!), and coached on how to do anything, say anything that will get them the drugs'n'surgery. They have been told that if they don't get it, they will likely commit suicide. They have been trained to suppress any doubts about transition, because that would make them a filthy transphobic detransitioner (*spit*). They are wound up into a frenzy for affirmation, and every day that goes by without getting their precious drugs'n'surgery is torturous.

The irony is that if somebody has argued themselves into a corner and profoundly believes they can only be happy with drugs'n'surgery, then the drugs'n'surgery probably will improve their wellbeing. That's why we see survey studies showing that trans people are generally happy with their drugs'n'surgery - because they are! At least, in the short term. Nobody ever follows up on these people so we have literally no idea whether the happiness is genuine lasting happiness, or whether it's the euphoria a heroin addict feels shortly after injecting. We can take a pretty fucking good guess though.

The recent case of the eunuchmaker shows us parallel universe in which society has a sane reaction to these people: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68977469

It's very plausible that the body dysmorphic people were genuinely euphoric at finally getting their balls/limbs cut off. They too had gone through some radicalisation process ending with them profoundly believing that only castration could make them happy. Image a world where "body image affirming surgeons" were doing the chop, cheered on by body image activists, with dissent shut down as bodyimagephobic. They would have done surveys afterwards and found a high satisfaction rate amongst these broken, self-crippled wretches. Because it's blindingly obvious to us that this kind of butchery is wrong. The answer is not to do it just because the victims want it - not even because it would make them happy for a short while. I don't know how to cure these people, but if a cure exists, it will look more like cult de-programming than the rainbow knife.

 

[doodoocaca]

On what @doodoocaca and @Manat were saying:

The fact that trannies mythologize every aspect of their transition tells me they've completely lost the plot and that this stopped being about living as the opposite gender a long time ago. To so many, it's now set of magic cure-all rituals that let you be reborn as a new person.

It's not hard to imagine that that almost mythological rebirth is something that's incredibly appealing to vulnerable people, whether they be incel losers or confused (and often abused) girls.

You hit the nail on the head, but only that one nail, so to speak.

Lots of people think some big transformation or awakening or "change" that is felt but cannot be understood will come make "everything better." Political faggots think that a new administration will do that, any affinity based idpol type group is going to think if they were separate and had their own little state that it would be a utopia, religious people wait on a messiah, incels want catgirl robots, and so on.

What fucks up troons is a mix of their inability to smell the bullshit and how irreversible & awful their forced surgical change is.

What leads them to this is how lonely and miserable they are.

It's a much more exciting sell than actually working on yourself. Why put in all that effort of learning hobbies, getting a job and growing more confident in socializing, when you can instead just start over as the opposite gender? Of course, deep down they're still the same broken person they were before. But now, they get a scapegoat, and a powerful one. The only reason they were a loser before was because of dysphoria. They only reason they're a loser now is because of transphobia.

...and the Republican blames degeneracy, the Democrat blames conservationism and tradition; the race-baiters blame other races, incels blame a lack of axolotl tanks, radfems blame a lack of parthenogenesis; commies blame everyone including themselves.

There is a very very big problem with people just letting go of reality to cling onto some fever dream of a revolutionary change, be it in such terms, or a messiah showing up. It isn't just troons, pooners, incels, marxoteens - whatever - not putting themselves together, it's basically everyone who falls into some cult-lite cohort that blames everything on some big problem that can only be changed through revolution like a messianic cult, except without the actual fruits of a church and healthy community.

But let's be honest with ourselves, most of them put zero effort in and pass horribly because they have no interest in cross-sex activities beyond maybe what brings coom if they've got a bad case of AGP/AAP. They're interested in a restart and a community, not in the spiritual "living as their true self" bullshit.

Modern tranny culture pushes transitioning as a cure-all for the insecure and all it ever does is make their lives worse. The way it seems engineered to appeal to the desperate and vulnerable is really sinister. I just wish we could actually help some of them.

How many communists want to learn collective farming and the engineering for industrialization? How many communists want to actually provide social services?

How many people thinking Jesus is gonna show up tomorrow want to actually walk the talk?

How many incels are actually trying to learn geneti- nevermind.

Stressed humans tend to form ranks around some group because they can sense shit's about to pop off and they don't want to get caught out in the open. The problem is we aren't forming real organic groups anymore because internet, and the big fight never comes so we can't vent any steam, things just get worse and people get further up their own ass.

It isn't just a tranny thing, it's a sick society thing. We've got a sea of pimples on the ass of civilization, they're just the most infected carbuncle.

 

[Jacques1194]

I saw this on tumblr. This TIM is claiming that masculinity in itself is a spectrum to tell TIFs that they dont have to present that way to be "Real men". I love how he claims that "cis" men's genders are never questioned whenever they dont act like stereotypical men. Gee dude I wonder why? What bugs me about this post is that if gender in itself is a spectrum with masculinity and femininity then how can trans people be born in the wrong body? If there really isn't one way to be a man or a woman then there's no way a woman can have an inner "feeling" of being a man. I seriously wonder if the trans community shot itself in the foot by changing sex dysphoria to gender dysphoria since gender in itself is all subjective, and as a result there's no way a man can feel like a woman. At that point why not be seen as a feminine man, or in this case a masculine woman?

 

[FBI-chan]

For a group of people that largely identifies as communist, socialist, or other sort of left-wing ideology, troonerism is ironically incompatible with such beliefs.

Left-wing political beliefs (the collectivist kind) revolve around cooperation and collectivism, and many schools of thought are rooted in theories for how and why society is shaped by and/or influences material reality, and through that seek to minimize or abolish class hierarchies. Meanwhile, there is no material basis for the belief that a male can become female or vice versa. Troonism is a highly individualistic belief system.

There are aspects of each sex that are intangibly real: Females can become pregnant, males can impregnate females. Females carry every physical burden of growing and birthing a child, while males don't have to do anything other than ejaculate, and afterwards can balk at any time. This difference in reproductive strategy is the basis of all socially constructed gender relations.

So in what way can the class of people who cannot become pregnant and who are capable of impregnation, the class of people (males) who have throughout history overwhelmingly sought to designate females as second-class in an effort to control their sexual behavior, ever be part of the class of people (females) who were subjected to countless restrictions because of their ability to create children? It is impossible. No matter how a male dresses, acts, or looks, he can never become a female, nor is he ever subjected to the same physiological realities a female is subjected to and all the social constructs surrounding those traits, and vice versa.

Troons love to bring up infertile men, infertile women, and men and women who have disorders of sexual development as gotchas, but such people are not exempt from being subjected to gender roles and hierarchies either.

Women were not oppressed because they wear spinny skirts. Women were not oppressed because of makeup. Women did not have opportunities and independence taken from them because of the color pink. It was not femininity that was oppressed; it was female bodies that were oppressed. Males had oppressed females not because of some elementary school revulsion at "feminine energies", males had oppressed females because males sought to control female sexual behavior.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

Manat:

I watched ceicocat video, the incel to trans pipeline, which I saw posted on the farms a while ago, and I hate it.

Sorry, I can't reply to the post directly.
I'm just glad someone is talking about this retard. The amount of MtFs that use anime as a segway to troonery is fucking pathetic and obnoxious. You can't literally go anywhere without some greasy neckbeard UwUing like the short bus came early for once.

The Pedantic Romantic is literally a poster child for webs becoming trannies. Wandering Son is literally a simple coming-of-age manga with kids wanting to be the opposite sex. All with varying results that include growing out of it and accepting that they're fine the way they are. But somehow, these dumb motherfuckers use it as their tranny calling card without understanding a lick of it.

I understand the need for escapism sometimes, but lay tf off on the delusion. Becoming an anime girl/woman isn't going to fix shit. They're so desperate for anything to artificially fix their bs that they're treating HRT like literal heroin.
Becoming King Tut and a sex pest isn't the same as being a woman. I'd rather be a literal man than deal with half of the shit these fuckers subject us to. The last thing I need is a nasty tranny telling me I should subject myself to their nasty dick in front of my literal wife.