Paper Mario Series

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Which Paper Mario Game is your Favorite?

  • Paper Mario

    Votes: 165 23.0%
  • Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door

    Votes: 345 48.1%
  • Super Paper Mario

    Votes: 121 16.9%
  • Paper Mario: Sticker Star

    Votes: 19 2.6%
  • Paper Mario Color Splash

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • They're all good imo

    Votes: 59 8.2%

  • Total voters
    718
They’re really over the line this time. If there’s one thing Nintendo fans hate more than anything it’s changing the original script in remakes. They’re autistic enough to remember every single line of dialogue from a 15+yr old game and will screech endlessly over even the most minor changes.

Now that there’s an actual egregious retcon in the script I wonder if the majority will have the balls to actually vote with their wallet. My bet is probably not.
The majority of the Paper Mario fanbase is part of the letter soup, most of Paper Mario fans wanted Vivian to be a troon based on their own interpretation of the OG script, I think even the retard who wrote the "Mario Mandate" manifesto trooned out.
The harsh truth is that the people dissatisfied on this thread is the minority.
Only compensation here is that the character is not relevant to the franchise on the same level as Bridget.
 
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I just think it's funny that this
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is the new mascot of terfs and is canonically the most based Mario character.
Second place goes to
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We all know GUH is the new TTD.
 
Traps are gay. but they OUR gay! you have to remember that troons hate the label trap because the very name is them admitting they just pretending being something they not (a man wearing girls clothing) and troons just cant handle that!
 
Although I know Vivian was always a fag and only female in the original English translation, I still agree with the general sentiment that you should be able to enjoy an IP without some bullshit caveat attached. Nothing is worth getting excited for anymore.
 
I wasn't gonna buy this game in the first place because I have a steam deck and I play switch games on that since it's a better experience, but man now I don't even wanna boot up the game at all. Maybe I'll just do another playthrough of the original, can't go wrong there I guess.
 
I haven't played a paper mario game in my life, I just find all the people who are acting like Vivian being trans is the equivalent to the second coming of christ to be annoying as hell.

Was Vivian even trans in the original game or was he just a effeminate guy?
Considering the writing used, most likely he was meant as an effeminate male cross-dresser.

From the wiki:
In the Japanese version of Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Vivian is implied to either be a transgender woman or a male-identified crossdresser. While various other characters and narrative text describe Vivian using masculine terms such as otoko ("man"), and otōto ("little brother"),[4][5][6][7] Vivian initially describes the shadow sirens as san shimai "three sisters",[4] and routinely uses the feminine first person pronoun atai, though this pronoun is also used by some effeminate male characters in Japanese media. In Super Paper Mario, Vivian's Catch Card describes her using the term otoko no ko,[8] a Japanese-language term that can interchangeably refer to a feminine-presenting man or a crossdressing man, rather than "transgender" (which is identical in Japanese to the English-language word) or okama (a term for an otherwise masculine man who dresses as a woman, sometimes used as a slur to refer to trans women, even in family-friendly media at the time).

In the English and German localizations of the game, explicit reference to Vivian being either transgender or gender non-conforming is removed, as are references to her using male pronouns. Consequently, Beldam's insults towards Vivian that utilize masculine terms in the Japanese version are changed. However, all other localized versions of the game contain a version closer to the original.[1][9][10][11] The Italian version more explicitly identifies Vivian as a trans woman; her description as a party member states that "she used to be a man, but now she's a woman and proud of it," a sentiment that she reiterates during her initial appearance.[11][1]

In the Nintendo Switch remake, Vivian is treated more overtly as a transgender woman. The Japanese script adds in a line where Vivian says, "I have a boy's body, but my heart is a cute girl's!"[12] The English localization retains these references, a change from the English release of the GameCube version.[3][13][14][15]

The above text is from the Super Mario Wiki and is available under a Creative Commons license. Attribution must be provided through a list of authors or a link back to the original article. Source: https://www.mariowiki.com/Vivian
 
Fucking Beldams here.
We need a neutral Kiwi Farms. I get that making fun of trans folk is easy comedy, but you literally prove the point. Vivian is bullied by her sisters just because she is trans and has to overcome their bullying.
Plus, again, 2004 called. Original English version is the only version that has Vivian be a biological female.

Besides, imagine not liking your favourite video game because of one side character's plot integral gender identity.
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Frankly, same with all the Ubisoft shit. There are leagues more reasons to despise them than including arguably one of the more interesting historical figures.
Plus if you want some additional treat, Leonardo Da Vinci is gay in AC 2 and Brotherhood.
Worst media literacy of all time award.
Beldam doesn't bully vivian for being a true and honest woman, she bullies vivian because vivian is young and naturally pretty, and beldam is old and ugly. It has literally nothing to do with accepting yourself as a woman, or that making the bullying sting more.
The smartest nintendie of all time. Holy shit bro, take a break from the internet, it clearly isn't doing you any favors.
 
What is the context of the character in the first place?

From what I understand, Japan had a reasonable and hilarious tradition of poking fun at men in dresses as much as the west did.

Was the character a butt of a joke, in which case, its funnier if they are a troon, or has the re-translation included some whiney woke messages about inclusion and authentic self bullshit?
 
I just think it's funny that this
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is the new mascot of terfs and is canonically the most based Mario character.
Second place goes to
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We all know GUH is the new TTD.
If you wanna see trannies seethe in rage, make artists produce good porn of these two characters while vivian is left in the shadow.
Porn sites are their natural habitat, and to invade them is a declaration of war they cannot retaliate against.
 
I think these people completely miss the point that people are playing their slop precisely to escape all the troonery and faggotry of the postmodern world. I didn't expect it from nintendo of all companies though, I thought they mostly stayed away from this shit. Well, at least the troonjaks will be funny I guess.
 
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Traps are gay. but they OUR gay! you have to remember that troons hate the label trap because the very name is them admitting they just pretending being something they not (a man wearing girls clothing) and troons just cant handle that!
Cope. It's all the same fetish and most femboys troon out eventually (see F1NNSTER).
 
What is the context of the character in the first place?

From what I understand, Japan had a reasonable and hilarious tradition of poking fun at men in dresses as much as the west did.

Was the character a butt of a joke, in which case, its funnier if they are a troon, or has the re-translation included some whiney woke messages about inclusion and authentic self bullshit?
Vivian is the bullied youngest sibling of three...shade spirits or something (I legit forget) who is initially your enemy. Bedlam (the blue hat old crone) constantly blames Vivian for everything (including losing a map that Bedlam had shoved into her own back pocket, then still blames Vivian for not telling Bedlam she put the map there, despite Vivian protesting Bedlam never even trusted her with the map to begin with) but over the course of Chapter 4 specifically she becomes the next partner Mario has. Her gimmick outside of combat is that she can yank Mario into the ground and hide from enemies.

Bedlam is actually one of the most important characters, ironically enough, given the reveal right before the final boss that she (and by proxy the other two sisters she bosses around) actually manipulated the X-Nauts (main villain group of the game) and almost certainly is the hooded figure that gives Peach the map which leads to the Thousand Year Door and the Crystal Stars in the first place. All to resurrect her true master the Shadow Queen. Vivian, despite having been part of this whole plan from the get-go, never mentions ANY OF THIS.
 
Don’t take this as any sort of standing up for cross dressers/traps (please don’t), but that category is extremely different from full-on-troons. One is intended as a joke that’s meant to be laughed at, the other is completely sincere. One is self-aware that it’s degenerate and that’s meant to make it funny, the other demands that you accept it as heckin’ valid and wholesome. They’re both debatably on the same slippery slope, but they’re on completely opposite ends of it. Arguing that Birdo “the weird mouth thing from the weird dream world where everything is supposed to be weird” and modern Vivian “children should undergo HRT in real life” are the same thing is like saying every Mario game should be rated AO for depictions of mass murder because you jump on Goombas.
Was the character a butt of a joke, in which case, it’s funnier if they are a troon, or has the re-translation included some whiney woke messages about inclusion and authentic self bullshit?
What do you think?
 
Cope. It's all the same fetish and most femboys troon out eventually (see F1NNSTER).
it is true though, the label of trap is even seeing pushback amongst femboys (aka trannies who havent come out yet). though traps only exist in anime and the minds of degenerate gooners. taking the effort to appear as lady-like as possible is still trannyshit, too.
 
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