Debate Whether Christianity Is Heckin' Based and Red-Pilled or Subversive and Jewish

[RichardMongler]

Take your religious sperging here. Holy shit, you people are insufferable:

But ignore all that and take a big picture look.
What did Christianity and Islam do for the Jewish people.
It kept them alive and separate as a distinct identity for 2000 years even though they didn't have a country anymore.
It slowly turned the West into the slave of Judaism.

To this day Jews hold a special place in Christianity, especially regarding the end times and of course in affirming the Jewish myths.

You're worse than any faith healer or televangelist. You're literally nostalgic for (supposed) past times when you fantasize that you would have been a faith healer or televangelist, duping the dumb rubes into doing your bidding (and giving you some 800 AD superchats!) in the name of Thor.

So just say that: "White Christians are my enemies, not Jews."

Christianity-no more sacrifice or need to appease a deity's anger
Christianity-a promise of heaven for all classes in society, not simply warriors or the gods' favorites(like Elysium or Valhalla)
Christianity-a God that cares. Pagan gods were rightly viewed as immoral and capricious. That definitely did not answer all their follower's prayers.
Christianity-intellectual power. A systematized theology and a complete narrative for the world and the faithful-Julian the Apostate actually understood Christianity appealed more to the educated for this reason. Pagan religions with no systematized theology or set of doctrines and principles, only unwritten customs and regional differences in belief and practice was shown as unable to compete.
Christianity-compassion for slaves, women, and the lower orders. Who had gained nothing and had no reason to follow old religions that continued to degrade and chain them.

I could list others-but there are a vast number of actual reasons why Christianity prevailed over paganism.

You act like this is some kind of amazing feat. It's not. Most peoples that existed in the ancient times still exist in some capacity, separate and distinct. Essentially what you're saying is that Christians and Muslims should've just killed them all. And it's fine if you feel that way, but you can't seriously claim that there was an active effort to keep them alive. If Christianity and Islam were both Jewish controlled, then Jews would've gone back to Israel centuries ago and had their own state again. But they weren't able to.

I find it hard to believe you're not a bad actor. No offense, but this Adam Green shit is just what Christian Identity does, but the opposite. Instead of treating Jews like just another ethnic group with its own interests, your theory elevates them to unparalleled masterminds that have controlled the western world for two thousand years. But more importantly, everything you says is so indicative of a total ignorance of European history that it's hard to believe you're not actively trying to deceive people.

Christianity is a revolutionary ideology and it was meant to disrupt Rome.
It tells the lower classes that they are in fact more virtuous than the upper classes, turning society upside down.
But Rome took it and made it their own, which had little to do with actual scripture.

80% of the bible is directly Jewish philosophy and myths, this always gives them a way to infiltrate Christianity.

So tell me, is Christianity the based religion that will save the White race or is it a Jewish concoction designed to subvert Western Civilization in the interests of Jewish power?

 

[Ishtar]

Everything comes from the Jews. Given there is apparently a variation of the protocols of Zion that claims it began 989 BC, we may as well worship the Jews themselves because they are clearly divine.

To answer the question, meh. I would say no. At the same time, I suppose I can understand why a consistent anti semite would reject anything with a Jewish origin.

 

[EyeGuy]

So tell me, is Christianity the based religion that will save the White race or is it a Jewish concoction designed to subvert Western Civilization in the interests of Jewish power?

The former. But should you really believe me?

 

[David Brown]

What would Xtianity look like if you excised the Torah and all other Hebrew or Jewish origin texts from the canon? Would it even make sense any more?

 

[CowPox]

There is nothing revealed in the bible (save the supernatural assertions) that was not already known to man.

 

[shameful existence]

This is one of the debates where I kind of understand everyone's point of view, and also wish they would argue about something else.
It's like watching people yell at each other over the "gender pay gap" or "intelligent design". Practically, it barely matters. Don't make your political alliances based on it.

 

[The Tall Man]

What would Xtianity look like if you excised the Torah and all other Hebrew or Jewish origin texts from the canon? Would it even make sense any more?

Pagan European traditions and Stoicism.

But should you really believe me?

You seem like a shady guy, people should trust you.

it barely matters

You are ignoring the political power of religion, it has real world consequences.
The largest chunk of mass immigration NGOs are Christian and Jewish, for example.
Bush is buddy with Hagee (who preaches America has to be destroyed for Jesus to come back) and was always eager to talk about the religious motivation for the Iraq war.
All the unconditional support mostly comes from a religious place.

To answer the question, meh. I would say no.

If you consider what Islam and Christianity believe will happen in the future, it's obvious they are both conditioned to expect loosing, even look forward to it.
Both think before they can get eternal life the world has to fall into darkness and be ruled by an anti-Christ figure.
They cannot stop this since it is gods plan and they are promised if they simply endure it they will win in the end.

Judaism on the other hand has a simpler end times prophecy, some cool Jews will make himself known and establish a one world government ruled from Jerusalem. This would be the anti-Christ that is inevitable in the view of the other two Abrahamic religions.
They are both expected to suffer under this NWO until Jesus returns from heaven.

Both Christianity's and Islam's eternal bliss has them expect loosing to the antichrist at first and then be magically saved afterwards.

 

[Ishtar]

I could go over everything wrong with your vastly simplified and poor understanding of eschatology but I’m not in the mood today.

Jesus coming back judges Jew and gentile. As for Islam-Jesus comes back as a prophet and Islam is preached to the entire world, Jews are converted and those that refuse are slain/judged.

Neither eschatology (beyond Protestant dispensationalism) has the Jews “winning” and even in that case-it’s the Jews being gathered back to Israel, suffering under the anti Christ, embracing jesus whom they rejected and then jesus returning.

Jewish eschatology is basically the messiah comes, fulfills the Old Testament prophecies, and the Jews become a nation of priests and the gentiles that are righteous pass onto the next world.

You seem to have taken Christian pre millennial dispensationalism(with its often too heavy) emphasis on the Jews as something something Jews win something. When all it really is, is arguing Jesus return is imminent because the Jews have returned and also some other things have to happen.

All three religions believe in a final judgement, the vindication of divine approval, and the reconciliation of God and man/God ruling the earth directly.

 

[Blasterisk]

They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

The Jews answered him, “Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?” Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it, and he is the judge. Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.” The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon! Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say, ‘If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death.’ Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

There's always another excuse, another prideful soul coming up with something flimsy to reject Jesus as Lord, but in the end the excuses will fall under the weight of examination or the sinner will fall under the weight of Christ's majesty.

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

is Christianity the based religion that will save the White race or is it a Jewish concoction designed to subvert Western Civilization in the interests of Jewish power?

Christ will save all nations. Cope harder n*zi chud.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

I'll just torch myself for the sake of entertainment and say that anyone who doesn't literally build their whole spiritual worldview themselves is a spiritual cuck. You are letting someone else do your thinking for you the same way you let Tyrone fuck your wife.

Christians? Hippie cucks.
Neo-Pagans? LARPing cucks.
Muslims? Horny cucks.
Hindus? Smelly cucks.
Sikhs? Cucks with towels on their heads.
Jews? Pedophilic cucks.
Buddhists? Coping cucks.
Atheists? Pseudointellectual cucks.
Wiccans? Cuckqeans.
I can go on forever.

Stop letting another man do your thinking for you, get out of that chair in the corner of the room, and fuck the metaphysical pussy of human spiritual experience yourself for once. If you have true faith, you should be confident that going to build your own understanding of spirituality will lead you to the same truths that you might find in the bible or another holy book. Truth is, by its nature, universal. All you need to do is learn to recognize how to discern what is true from what is not, then apply that ability to your experiences, recursively diving deeper as you please. You'll find what needs to be found, and with far less baggage and retarded mind control dogma than the cucks get.

Am I serious? Am I joking? You decide. Everyone involved in this debate is a fag either way.

 

[Ishtar]

The two main arguments here is Christianity is inimical to Europeans-this argument implies it’s Jewish origin is something of a foreign food europeans can’t consume, and thus it is alien to their “spirit” or essence.

The other is Nietzchean slave morality criticisms.

Other variants are Christianity is a vessel for Jewish goals or values(whatever those are?) or was a grand plot to destroy the Roman Empire(never mind Byzantium).

There’s also it makes Europeans peaceful or weak or something.

But far right hostility to Christianity isn’t Pol “Jew on a stick memes” it’s very old. Nietzche and Gobineau. Many of the members of the NSDAP and Ludendorff, Revilo Oliver, and others besides have attacked Christianity on the basis it’s Jewish, or serves Jewish goals, it promotes weakness or servility or it is a revolt of slaves.

People who make these arguments are never convinced of any sort of counter evidence and they usually fail at convincing anyone themselves.

TLDR: This entire thread is stupid and pointless.

 

[The Tall Man]

I could go over everything wrong with your vastly simplified and poor understanding of eschatology but I’m not in the mood today.

Jesus coming back judges Jew and gentile. As for Islam-Jesus comes back as a prophet and Islam is preached to the entire world, Jews are converted and those that refuse are slain/judged.

Neither eschatology (beyond Protestant dispensationalism) has the Jews “winning” and even in that case-it’s the Jews being gathered back to Israel, suffering under the anti Christ, embracing jesus whom they rejected and then jesus returning.

Jewish eschatology is basically the messiah comes, fulfills the Old Testament prophecies, and the Jews become a nation of priests and the gentiles that are righteous pass onto the next world.

You seem to have taken Christian pre millennial dispensationalism(with its often too heavy) emphasis on the Jews as something something Jews win something. When all it really is, is arguing Jesus return is imminent because the Jews have returned and also some other things have to happen.

All three religions believe in a final judgement, the vindication of divine approval, and the reconciliation of God and man/God ruling the earth directly.

Wrong, read again, I mean exactly what I typed.

Islam and Christianity expect to be persecuted and have everything crumble around them and then the magic messiah returns and saves them.

Judaism expects everyone else to suffer and have their nations crumble and subjugate the world under Mashiach ben David.

 

[Ishtar]

Eh, there are prophecies about babies being tossed against rocks in the Old Testament? That is the gentiles will ravage Jerusalem? Nearly all Jewish prophecies either refer to persecution or it’s a subtext of prior experience.

Also so what? Christianity and Islam(and Judaism) valorize the concept of martyrdom. Victory through death, and through the commitment to one’s witness.

Christians and Muslims have experienced persecution historically, as have Jews. So it figures martyrdom and (worldly) defeat would figure into it.

 

[draggs]

Of course Christianity is le heccin based

Ask the pagans

 

[Ed Special]

What if Jewish subversion is based and redpilled?

 

[Ishtar]

What if Jewish subversion is based and redpilled?

If you actually believe in Tikkun Olam and that the Jews are bringing us benighted gentiles the truth of God, then subversion would be justified.

Which IDK-feels like a silly thing to believe. Be a Noahide I guess?

 

[David Brown]

Pagan European traditions and Stoicism.

So what would be the point of Jesus? He's not a heathen. He's not even European. What would be the point of it?

 

[Lone MacReady II]

Numbers Chapter 25, Do Not Race-Mix. Seems pretty based there. Jesus turning over the Banker Jew's tables, also pretty based. Revelation 2:9/3:9, very based.

 

[David Brown]

There's always another excuse, another prideful soul coming up with something flimsy to reject Jesus as Lord, but in the end the excuses will fall under the weight of examination or the sinner will fall under the weight of Christ's majesty.

Bro why should anyone believe this. You're the prideful, arrogant one demanding the entire world adopt your way of life. A one world religion.