Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Frosted Snowflakes]

I utterly despise people like this in the entertainment industry.

Even Gundam made a video ranting about it.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

"Backstroke of the West Highlights Part 1 (Star War: The Third Gathers)"

 

[Gondolindrim]

I was watching the cutscenes for Jedi: Fallen Order since I'm never going to play it and guess who I saw

You guys remember that weird 3 year period where they were putting Saw Gerrera in everything? He was in Rogue One of course, then Rebels, then this. I guess he didn't take off how they hoped. The boring design probably didn't help.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Separatists were probably the most relatable bad guys in SW canon. The Sith are backstabbing scumbags with Force powers, Imperials were bullies and tyrants, but the Separatist just wants to be left alone. Even Dooku and Grievous had legitimate concerns about the Old Republic and the Jedi that caused them to turn against the ''good guys''. At the end of the day, the Separatists are just like the Rebel Alliance, except they're cast as the enemies of the Jedi.

Even though Dooku (and by extension, Palpatine) were behind the separatist movement, they knew how to appeal to the planetary leaders who really wanted no part in the senate's political skirmish that prompted the events in The Phantom Menace. Most had no idea Palpatine as Darth Sidious was manipulating things behind the scene until Anakin as Vader assassinated them per Sidious' orders. As stated, they simply wanted to be the SW galaxy's neutral equivalent of Switzerland - and Palpatine/Dooku knew how to appeal to their sensibilities.

He even told a kid that Stormtroopers were ''good guys fighting for an evil man'' when asked if they were bad guys.

As much as Lucas has his imperfections and flaws, this is a great way to explain this to kids because there are plenty of good people who get involved with a bad cause for whatever reason.

they're reduced into costumed clowns. Filoni made the Empire boring.

The occasional comic relief character isn't necessarily a bad thing. Unfortunately, Filoni has so many of these characters in his content and he dials up the absurdity someplace between 10 and infinity that it becomes more of a turn-off than something to laugh at.

The timing of these quotes is hilarious is because Leslye Headland's The Acolyte comes out literally next month, and I bring that up because that show's creative team and actors have been relentless plugging the usual "diversity" virtues of their show,

Not to get in the discussion over "wokeness" because it's a stale and boring ass topic, but I just find wild that people are accusing George's SW movies of lacking diversity.

An example of how this nonsense goes every which way and there's no winning. It's not about being authentic.

It's almost like it's not wokeshit or DIE when you just cast the best person for a role and they're good and cool.

It bears repeating that diversity for diversity's sake rarely if ever works as intended. In the Lucas films, we have all sorts of diverse aliens and characters that are female or have darker skin. What makes them likeable is not their physical traits, it's what they do and the fact what they do is relatable to the average normie. Once freed, Leia is quite kick-ass and can hold her own. Chewie is smart and strategic even if he can't communicate in Galactic Basic (aka English). Lando is mad he was forced to betray his friends and decides to join them in an effort to prove his true allegiances and kick some Imperial butt in the process. Yoda is the wizened sage whose wisdom transcends his age and diminutive appearance - and so on.

Today's diverse characters do nothing relatable to the average normie except flaunt their diversity. It's hard to like a character that brings nothing to the table when it's time to deliver something of substance.

The fact that Disney, a company run by Jews and white people, didn't notice that and just thought ''resident Asian will get us China money'' goes to show how ignorant they are of Asian race politics and how they really don't think anything through past the surface level.

It's ironic that the SJWs within Disney who screech about cultural sensitivities were so culturally insensitive in this regard.

Prequel haters really set Star Wars back as a medium. It's enough to say ''it's not my cup of tea'' and walk away, it's another thing to devote your life to hating a movie that at worst, were just okay.

I walked away after The Last Jedi. I did watch TFA (which at the time I had hopes for Finn's development, even Rey's... though the way they made it "dramatic music time" when the pilot came back when I'd completely forgotten the character definitely shows the cracks were already there), and Rogue One (again, a bunch of characters I didn't care about, which made the "dramatic death scene" feel trite), but TLJ was when I packed up and didn't bother any more. No books, no shows, never have watched TRS ever. Nope. I'll pirate the EU books I liked and ignore everything else.

Too many people today have raging hateboners that they turn into offline a-logs that are chronically made at the world over the most trifling things. It doesn't help that so many people have an all or none attitude that you have to like everything about something or someone or else you truly like nothing.

It's a lost art to be able to say, "You know what, I don't like this even though you do," and walk away with one's dignity intact. After seeing TFA and TLJ be little more than retreads of Episodes 4 and 5, I walked away so that I can still enjoy the SW media I've enjoyed up to that point and ignore everything else that's worse than garbage.

I think a lot of the Dibney TV shows tanking I'd be hesitant to say its less the pool of abused wives is drying up and more people saying Fuck D+.

It may be a combination of both. A lot of people are dropping streaming services because it's starting to cost too much with the price of everything else increasing. However, there is only a limited finite number of die hard fans and Disney is doing nothing to appeal to anyone outside of those with short attention spans who will blindly like anything put in front of them.

The shorter videos are fine, but the panels of multiple people discussing for hours. Does anyone just watch them?

Even as background noise, I can't stand videos or podcasts that run longer than an hour or 1:30 tops. At that point, it becomes more of a distraction than white noise of instrumental lofi background music.

Also, many of the reviews of current media content such as SW are done by shills or individuals whose confirmation bias is apparent the moment they first express themselves. "Discussion" has devolved into a circle jerk more than not, sadly.
Edited for clarity.

 

[neverendingmidi]

Even as background noise, I can't stand videos or podcasts that run longer than an hour or 1:30 tops. At that point, it becomes more of a distraction than white noise of instrumental lofi background music.

Honestly that 4 hour review of the hotel was the first time I watched anything that long, and half of my interest was in seeing her explain exactly how fucked up it was. There was a lot of research between going over what had been promised, even back when the "Star Wars Land" was first opened, vs. what was supplied.

It was interesting because when I first heard that people would literally be "trapped" there for the experience, I knew it would be a shitshow. The in depth explanation of exactly how big a shitshow it was just kept getting funnier. THEY HAD SUFFOCATION PODS IN CASE OF FIRE! HOW CAN YOU NOT FIND THAT GODDAMN HILARIOUS?

no seriously, how did tiny boxes where you probably couldn't fit 2 adults and 2 children pass a fire marshal's inspection? how?!?

 

[Gondolindrim]

It's a lost art to be able to say, "You know what, I don't like this even though you do," and walk away with one's dignity intact. After seeing TFA and TLJ be little more than retreads of Episodes 4 and 5, I walked away so that I can still enjoy the SW media I've enjoyed up to that point and ignore everything else that's worse than garbage.

I despise the sequels but I've never made it a core part of my personality like prequel haters seem to do. The most bizarre thing about prequel hate to me is the sheer stubborness of it. I've seen film reviewers who I can respect and have a lot in common with just refuse to give them the time of day. The Phantom Menace for example, their brains are wired to only thing about the wooden acting and Jar Jar. They're incapable of saying anything good about it aside from maybe the podracing.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

The Phantom Menace for example, their brains are wired to only thing about the wooden acting and Jar Jar. They're incapable of saying anything good about it aside from maybe the podracing.

Because no one has any new or unique criticisms about the Prequels that they developed solely by themselves, at least without parroting the same talking points the Internet has recycled ad nauseum since 2009.

It's funny, because the second you see some of these ardent dissenting voices of the PT outside of a video editing suite, and they're on podcasts or in some kind of relaxed environment, a lot of them will suddenly get stumped when it comes to mustering any unique or original critique on the spot, and will often times fumble awkwardly before admitting that they haven't seen the films in ages, and remember whole swaths of them incorrectly because they either have a poor memory of them, or simply swiped their core talking points from shit like the Plinkett Reviews (which aren't exactly a bastion of accurate coverage of those movies either).

I have a seething hatred for the Sequels, but I won't have it said that I don't know anything about them, or what I'm talking about when I critique them. I've read the novelizations for them, have kept up with their production as early as 2012 when George Lucas was still involved, know what directorial decisions from Abrams, Johnson--and even less talked-about individuals like Alan Horn and Lawrence Kasdan--influenced certain creative decisions, and even continuity departures the ST has made from Disney's very own lore, including the novels and the Marvel comics. Because of this, I have plenty of criticisms of my own regarding these movies, many of which I'm 100% will never be voiced in any of the most popular tear-downs about the ST.

....I also don't make hating these movies my whole personality in SW online discourse--partially because, IMO, there's other parts of Disney SW that deserve equal or substantially more ire, and also because my dislike of the ST led me to discovering the Expanded Universe, which is a suitable alternative to the Sequels, and is a far greater return on my time investment than ceaselessly bitching about the Last Jedi. That's something else that I notice about the loudest dissenting voices of the ST as well--for all their talk about how the ST destroyed Star Wars and ruined their love of the brand, they often have a casual and frankly surface-level appreciation for the brand, often reserving the bulk of their investment in the original three films, and that's it (some of them even just liking the first two, thanks to everyone's weird hate-boner for Return of the Jedi). It's almost like a lot of these people just jumped on the ST Hate Bandwagon, not because they have anything insightful or nuanced to add, or because they're even really fans of Star Wars, but because it's the latest grift train for them to milk for attention or a spot in the online discourse.

The DoomCock Effect, if you will.

TL ; DR There's plenty of people online who have molded their entire online persona around hating one subset of the movies, but often-times, their pure resentment often has a very shallow apprectation for the franchise as a whole at its foundation. We saw it during the PT Hate Years, and we're starting to see it creep into the ST Hate Discourse as well, where autists who don't really have a clue about Star Wars decided to hop onboard the latest hate grift train because it happened to be steamrolling by.

 

[Ghostse]

You guys remember that weird 3 year period where they were putting Saw Gerrera in everything? He was in Rogue One of course, then Rebels, then this. I guess he didn't take off how they hoped. The boring design probably didn't help.

Potentially unpopular opinion:
I like Saw Gerrera in his character arc shows both a sort of decay physically of the "dark" side of the rebellion or any freedom fighters where someone has been in too long. And the character timeline makes complete sense. Forest Whitaker is also a good actor so does a good job playing the character HAHA DISREGARD THAT ALL NIGGERS AND WOMEN NEED TO HANG.

there just three things I dislike:
First, the usual Furryloni thing of the galaxy have a sum population about the size of a mid-sized highschool. You keep seeing the same dumb faces again and again and again in EVERY event.

Second, the cut over to live-action didn't work very well with the previous character models.

And third, the most glaring issue of them all:
I have no fucking clue who the fuck Saw Gerrera is and they keep acting like I do and should.
Let me explain that (especially saying I like the character's arc). I don't watch clone wars series and avoid Dibney Waz in general but did see Rogue Juan. So I see this character who is more than someone in the background, everyone reacts to without prompt, and all I can think of is "Did I pass out for 15 minutes and miss something". So a trip to wookiepedo after the film and I learned all I needed to know and what the scriptwriters for some dumb reason assumed I did before I walked into the theater for an OT memberries fest - namely he was a republic-aligned freedom fighter during the Clone Wars, lost his moral compass when he blamed himself when his sister died, and became one of the first foot soldiers of the Rebellion when the empire took over but went further and further off the deep end into "ends justify means".
The issue with his appearances in media is they aren't just slapping a "S. Gerrera" name tag on a commander or a throwaway "I'm Sgt. Gerrera, we're here to rescue you" easter egg where it could be anyone. There is nothing about S.G. in Rogue One that leads you understand he's the Loose Canon of the rebellion, just everyone is acting like they are on eggshells around him. He isn't in the movie enough to really put context on that, and Jan doesn't even really explain it either. So he's not a free standing character, but he's too important of a part of things to be ignored, and he's not tropey enough to be immediately grokked.

So If you haven't seen TCW, you're lost. If you have, you still might be lost because he doesn't look like he did the last time we saw him in the cartoon, and now they are adding in all this character background you never saw in the cartoon. Jan's father and Saw were supposed to be super tight, but we never saw him or that in the cartoon as I understand it. And there's nothing previously mentioned about the character having an (effectively) adopted daughter.

You could have had an original character who makes a mention to having "Learned everything I need to know from Saw Gerrera", when have a great excuse for the imperial pilot to ask "Who's Saw Gerrera" and then get quick 2-sentenace descriptor for the uninformed and why everyone's nervous around a guy who learned everything about guerrilla warfare from Col. Kurtz, but that would take effort and writer competence.
(Also they had him die in the most stupid fucking way possible. Its not even a "we can only take 4 people" or "someone has to hold open the hanger bay/hold off the storm troopers" its just "naw, the writers don't want to have to explain what I was doing during Ep. 4 so I'mma just die here. lates.")

This is comicbook shit oozing back up from Marvel where you have constant character cross overs to try to get your paypiggies to consume all related media.

 

[Gondolindrim]

This is comicbook shit oozing back up from Marvel where you have constant character cross overs to try to get your paypiggies to consume all related media.

That is a fantastic way to summarize the problem. The old EU was pretty self contained and you didn't have to touch anything but the series you wanted to read or watch. Meanwhile Disney Wars has everything as not only canon, but important. So if Sugary Moundso was introduced in The Clone Wars, you need to read his tie in comic book about the events leading up to his birth all the way back in High Republic and look out for his cameo in season 67 of Ahsoka.

 

[bango skank]

I watched all of TCW except for the stuff they put out after the mouse killed star wars and I’m only just now learning Saw Gerrera was from the show.

 

[Ghostse]

That is a fantastic way to summarize the problem. The old EU was pretty self contained and you didn't have to touch anything but the series you wanted to read or watch. Meanwhile Disney Wars has everything as not only canon, but important. So if Sugary Moundso was introduced in The Clone Wars, you need to read his tie in comic book about the events leading up to his birth all the way back in High Republic and look out for his cameo in season 67 of Ahsoka.

I will also say that in books you have have several options to fix the problem:
First its no big thing in a book to take a 10 page detour to explain who the fuck that is and why they matter.
Even in a comic book you can have a "See: Asstouchers #247" when they make a reference and the reader can know "OH! I don't know who that is."
Second you can include a glossary/index of who's who; I remember one of the EU books I read when I was younger had a cast list with little cropped pictures of who was who with a paragraph or two explaining what their fucking deal was.
You cant' do that in movies. The introduction to Lynch's Dune was incredibly dry and autistic but absolutely necessary to explain what the ever loving fuck was going on to anyone who didn't read the book.


But yes, the old Real EU did it right which was "this is helpful background on a topic you are interested in to expand already introduced characters. Books in a series might be inter-related, and characters/events from other things might make an appearance but when they do we won't assume you've seen anything outside of this series except maybe the original trilogy"
vs Disney "If you want to know why you should care about Captain Phasma, here's 4 novels, 12 comics, three episodes of the Clone Wars, and a scholarly paper on menstruation"

 

[Gondolindrim]

I watched all of TCW except for the stuff they put out after the mouse killed star wars and I’m only just now learning Saw Gerrera was from the show.

I think he was in that Onderon arc but I didn't watch it. The last thing I want to see in The Clone Wars are the adventures of the Not!Rebels

 

[draggs]

That is a fantastic way to summarize the problem. The old EU was pretty self contained and you didn't have to touch anything but the series you wanted to read or watch. Meanwhile Disney Wars has everything as not only canon, but important. So if Sugary Moundso was introduced in The Clone Wars, you need to read his tie in comic book about the events leading up to his birth all the way back in High Republic and look out for his cameo in season 67 of Ahsoka.

"Crossovers" in the EU also actually made sense (up to a point) and were driven by the plot (up to a point) and were self-contained to the stories. You didn't need to know the backstory in 4 different novels (if there even was one) to understand and like Character X showing up and interacting with the heroes. Most of the time, if there was some backstory exposition, it was a short reference to the OT, which was a good way to do it

 

[The Decimator]

LOL

 

[Gondolindrim]

(some of them even just liking the first two, thanks to everyone's weird hate-boner for Return of the Jedi)

That's how you know these people are full of shit because Return of the Jedi wasn't even bad, and Empire wasn't that good. They're both 8/10. Star Wars has always been plagued with weirdos and lunatics.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

LOL
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LOL, it's like Filoni's doubling-down on that retarded nigger's answer on how "there's no good and evil" in Star Wars. Then why did Darth Vader started to doubt himself when his son still thinks that there's still good in him that made him save his own son from the Emperor near the end of RoTJ? These Lucasfilm execs love to make up shit now, aren't they?

That's how you know these people are full of shit because Return of the Jedi wasn't even bad, and Empire wasn't that good. They're both 8/10. Star Wars has always been plagued with weirdos and lunatics.

I agree that RoTJ wasn't as bad as people had claimed before. Luke winning against his own father mentally was always the highlight of that movie for me as a kid up to now.

 

[crowabunga]

LOL
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Oh for fuck's sake

 

[Midwit]

They became iconic a while ago, I have seen people with Ewok T-Shirts and Merch.

Ironic, isn't it?

That's how you know these people are full of shit because Return of the Jedi wasn't even bad, and Empire wasn't that good.

The whole anti-Ewok thing was the result of older Gen-X guys being teenagers in the years after RotJ when Lucasfilm started pushing Ewoks as to the exclusion of everything else aside from the RPG which would have been the domain of turbonerds who were way more into it than the general fanbase, and outside of that I imagine that a lot of the people who grew up with the films had reached that point in their lives where anything childish becomes poison so they were obliged to hate the film because it of its kid-friendly elements. I think it's the exact same sentiment that caused the fan backlash against TPM when it came out since it also had blatant kid appeal elements that made all the people who wanted edgy Jedi killing everyone films blow a fuse and turn on the films instantly.

These Lucasfilm execs love to make up shit now, aren't they?

They have to, since none of them have actually seen the films their work is based on.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

LOL
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Looks like Dave Filoni forgot that Anakin in ROTS had that scene after he killed all the Separatist advisors on Mustafar; he looks over the lava-filled landscape and begins to shed tears, with a sad face. He knows what he's done is evil, but he's hoping it'll all be worth it when his Dark Side powers save Padme from death, and once his ''new Empire'' cleans up all the galaxy's problems. He does have an innate sense of right and wrong; he realized in EP2 that what he did to the Tuskens was bad, and it tore him apart, and he clearly struggled with the idea of killing Dooku, knowing that it was not the right thing to do, only doing it because his good friend the Chancellor pushed him to do it.

He even tells Luke in ROTJ that it's too late for him. He knows he's gone down a bad road, and at most what he's done is try to mitigate it and harness evil for the sake of good, but it isn't working the way he wanted to, and he knows it.

 

[Midwit]

Looks like Dave Filoni forgot

He does that a lot, the only thing he remembered is Anakin & Grievous never met until RotS and everything else got thrown out the window.