2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

Israel doesn't actually care about crushing Hamas. They created Hamas for fuck's sake.
They gave money to Hamas when it was an islamic charity organization because they had humanitarian money to distribute and it was either give it to the PLO or give it to a popular Islamic charity. As soon as they came out as a terrorist group, Israel cut off the payments. How is that creating Hamas?
 
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Dude does that actually make any sense in your head when you think it, like, the US was ultimately responsible for the creation of al qaeda and ISIS, but I'd wager anything that they actually cared about crushing the feral psycho dog they fucked up and set loose

managing colonies requires local clients, and local clients, even if you made them or armed them, and especially if they're muslim, will realize they can take your money and do what they please and stopping them will cost you more than letting them be evil and insane would normally cost. it is the core problem across history of managing restive and backward subject groups, the clients you hire are incentivized to double cross you frequently
It makes quite a bit of sense considering it's been the playbook of glowies for fucking decades. Hamas is the devil that Israel knows and can, to some extent, control. They had absolutely zero leverage over the PLO.
They gave money to Hamas when it was an islamic charity organization because they had humanitarian money to distribute and it was either give it to the PLO or give it to a popular Islamic charity. As soon as they came out as a terrorist group, Israel cut off the payments. How is that creating Hamas?
LMAO, "Islamic charity organization" - Israelis knew full well what the deal was from the beginning and they continued funding it well beyond when Hamas became a bigger headache, using Qatar as a middleman to facilitate the transfer of resources. It's a standard political play, rather than a relatively "secular" opposition, replace them with hardline Muslim nutjobs.

Hamas is an easy target because they are violent dickheads that few people would normally sympathize with. The fact that Israel still got blasted on the optics front so hard is a testament to how badly they fucked up handling this entire shitshow. And I don't even care about Palestine, IMO IDF should've just bulldozed the entire place years ago and made it part of Israel proper instead of doing this slow-motion "settler replacement" crap and everyone would be happier except for Arabs.
 
Very poorly researched. The charity was Mujama al-Islamiya

Quoting the original article your source mangled https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

Israel's military-led administration in Gaza looked favorably on the paraplegic cleric, who set up a wide network of schools, clinics, a library and kindergartens. Sheikh Yassin formed the Islamist group Mujama al-Islamiya, which was officially recognized by Israel as a charity and then, in 1979, as an association. Israel also endorsed the establishment of the Islamic University of Gaza, which it now regards as a hotbed of militancy. The university was one of the first targets hit by Israeli warplanes in the recent war.

Brig. General Yosef Kastel, Gaza's Israeli governor at the time, is too ill to comment, says his wife. But Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who took over as governor in Gaza in late 1979, says he had no illusions about Sheikh Yassin's long-term intentions or the perils of political Islam. As Israel's former military attache in Iran, he'd watched Islamic fervor topple the Shah. However, in Gaza, says Mr. Segev, "our main enemy was Fatah," and the cleric "was still 100% peaceful" towards Israel. Former officials say Israel was also at the time wary of being viewed as an enemy of Islam.

Mr. Segev says he had regular contact with Sheikh Yassin, in part to keep an eye on him. He visited his mosque and met the cleric around a dozen times. It was illegal at the time for Israelis to meet anyone from the PLO. Mr. Segev later arranged for the cleric to be taken to Israel for hospital treatment. "We had no problems with him," he says.
Around the time of Sheikh Yassin's arrest, Mr. Cohen, the religious affairs official, sent a report to senior Israeli military and civilian officials in Gaza. Describing the cleric as a "diabolical" figure, he warned that Israel's policy towards the Islamists was allowing Mujama to develop into a dangerous force.

"I believe that by continuing to turn away our eyes, our lenient approach to Mujama will in the future harm us. I therefore suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face," Mr. Cohen wrote.

Mr. Harari, the military intelligence officer, says this and other warnings were ignored. But, he says, the reason for this was neglect, not a desire to fortify the Islamists: "Israel never financed Hamas. Israel never armed Hamas."
 
Recent demolitions in Gaza:






Special forces taking out terrorists in Nablus:


Dancing Israelis (in Rafah, celebrating a soldier's marriage):

On the Temple Mount. Happy Jerusalem Day!
 
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The fact that Israel still got blasted on the optics front so hard is a testament to how badly they fucked up handling this entire shitshow.
Israel could have done very little to alter the optics and any change is only on retrospective. Europe was fucked because their journos always hated Israel (saw it as a US colony) and the massive amount of muslims made politicians more likely to do shit against it. USA has the same but the diversity pyramid finally made its appearance and Jews realized that maybe they aren't on top. Russia used the war fpr moralfagging and taking vengeance for Israeli's neutral stance on Ukraine.
 
Israel could have done very little to alter the optics and any change is only on retrospective. Europe was fucked because their journos always hated Israel (saw it as a US colony) and the massive amount of muslims made politicians more likely to do shit against it. USA has the same but the diversity pyramid finally made its appearance and Jews realized that maybe they aren't on top. Russia used the war fpr moralfagging and taking vengeance for Israeli's neutral stance on Ukraine.
Most media here in the EU (at least where I live and coverage from abroad I read especially early on) tried to run cover for Israel, I don't know why you think journos or regular politicians would hate them, even most Muslims that aren't firmly on the left are at least a tad buckbroken most of the time. While most of the EU always had large anti-Israel sentiments especially on the left, a lot of the media was at least tentatively pro-Israel. A notable example was early on as you might remember with one of the first big hospital demolitions in Gaza where a lot of the press tried to go for the "Hamas bombed themselves" meme.

The fact that not even a lot of the media but even governments have become not just critical but sometimes overtly hostile towards Israel is an entirely new development. Yes, these sentiments existed and you could see editorials to the effect before, but there's clearly been a shift over the past year. The fact that Israel has done skeevy things before without alienating all these people clearly show that they fucked up royally somewhere along the line.
 
Whoever's in charge of Israel's PR should be immediately shit canned. Some of their decisions are indescribably baffling.
Anyone remember the little documentary shared by Israel's official Xittter account about jacking off a corpse?
The official Israel X/Twitter account posted an animated story about an Israeli woman's efforts to milk semen from her husband's corpse

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1724392576516600204 https://archive.is/OacFa
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(Apologies, I don't have the toolset to archive-post the embedded video)

(The procedure may or may not involve the insertion of an electrical tool into the corpse's anus to stimulate a post-death ejaculation.)

The video even transitions from a regular sand hourglass to a literal 'cum hourglass' at one point
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Most media here in the EU (at least where I live and coverage from abroad I read especially early on) tried to run cover for Israel, I don't know why you think journos or regular politicians would hate them, even most Muslims that aren't firmly on the left are at least a tad buckbroken most of the time. While most of the EU always had large anti-Israel sentiments especially on the left, a lot of the media was at least tentatively pro-Israel. A notable example was early on as you might remember with one of the first big hospital demolitions in Gaza where a lot of the press tried to go for the "Hamas bombed themselves" meme.

The fact that not even a lot of the media but even governments have become not just critical but sometimes overtly hostile towards Israel is an entirely new development. Yes, these sentiments existed and you could see editorials to the effect before, but there's clearly been a shift over the past year. The fact that Israel has done skeevy things before without alienating all these people clearly show that they fucked up royally somewhere along the line.
That’s some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever read on here.
 
The IDF launched a new operation in the central Gaza Strip:
The IDF's new operation in the central Gaza Strip is focusing on the eastern areas of Bureij and the east of Deir al-Balah, the military says.

The IDF had previously battled Hamas in Bureij, in January, but until now, had not operated in the Deir al-Balah area.

The new offensive is being carried out by the 98th Division, which had until recently been deployed to northern Gaza's Jabaliya. Before that, the division fought Hamas in Khan Younis, in the Strip's south.

The IDF says the operation is being carried out following intelligence of operatives and infrastructure belonging to terror group above and below ground in the area, several kilometers from the Israeli border.

As ground troops pushed into the east Bureij and east Deir al-Balah areas, a large wave of airstrikes was carried out, targeting weapon depots, underground infrastructure, buildings used by terror groups, and other sites, the IDF says.

The military says several Hamas operatives were killed in the strikes.

The new offensive comes as the IDF continues to operate in southern Gaza's Rafah and in the Netzarim Corridor in the central part of the Strip.
Rocket launcher hidden in a UNICEF container:
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It makes quite a bit of sense considering it's been the playbook of glowies for fucking decades. Hamas is the devil that Israel knows and can, to some extent, control. They had absolutely zero leverage over the PLO.
Let’s say you’re right. Clearly the situation changed and sponsor client relations don’t give the sponsor uniform control. If it helps there were multiple scenes in the Dark Knight Rises where they explained how sometimes arming people creates a bigger monster you can’t tame and need to put down.

If you think the Israeli deep state is stage managing the Hamas conflict or has some, any level of control over Hamas, you’re living in a nonsensical paranoid nightmare. None of it scans if you assume there are any rational actors in the IDF. Jews may be nuts but you’re crazy to assume they’re all crazy.

States find and fund and arm militants at times and even if Israel initially armed and funded Hamas it’s plain to see that they lost control of them sometime 30 fucking years ago when the first intifada happened and this has been the case p much for the entire lifetimes of all of the actual militants fighting and dying.
 
The fact that not even a lot of the media but even governments have become not just critical but sometimes overtly hostile towards Israel is an entirely new development.
You must be living in an alternate reality because international governments and organizations being critical of and hostile toward Israel is absolutely not a new development. Just look at how the UN has treated Israel vs "Palestine" over the past two decades.
A notable example was early on as you might remember with one of the first big hospital demolitions in Gaza where a lot of the press tried to go for the "Hamas bombed themselves" meme.
I seem to recall everyone jumping on the "ISRAEL DELIBERATELY BOMBED A HOSPITAL!!!" bandwagon and then having to make retractions when it turned out the hospital had been the site of a misfiring Hamas rocket (The Atlantic, Archive of BBC trying to deny spreading Hamas propaganda). This was back in October, pretty much right after the war began.
 
That’s some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever read on here.
Don't care, deal with it. Israel's actions have made the Arabs over here go buckwild even compared to their prior antics over the year and I ain't happy about it. Not a fan of either party but I'm not happy that the reason that the media and regime here tempered their tone is because the Israelis pissed off all the Muslims we were made to import.
You must be living in an alternate reality because international governments and organizations being critical of and hostile toward Israel is absolutely not a new development. Just look at how the UN has treated Israel vs "Palestine" over the past two decades.

I seem to recall everyone jumping on the "ISRAEL DELIBERATELY BOMBED A HOSPITAL!!!" bandwagon and then having to make retractions when it turned out the hospital had been the site of a misfiring Hamas rocket (The Atlantic, Archive of BBC trying to deny spreading Hamas propaganda). This was back in October, pretty much right after the war began.
Yes, after breaking the world record in blowing up the most hospitals in the shortest amount of time in modern history while dealing with a people that they openly advocate the extermination of, this one singular hospital is the one exception where Hamas recreationally bombed themselves and therefore we should all excuse, nay, celebrate Israeli actions. Even if we assume or the sake of argument that this is the case, the fact that they obliterated all the other civilian targets is a pretty valid reason for everyone to be buckwild and that inevitably forced a change in tone since the Israelis never denied the other hospitals they nuked from the skies. Again, I ain't happy about it, because I still live in a place that tried to have a pro-Israeli policy while also importing trillions of Arabs that felt victimized by Israel. Not a pretty, would prefer not to be forced to have to care about worthless wars on the other side of the planet.
 
Israel Secretly Targets U.S. Lawmakers With Influence Campaign on Gaza War
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Sheera Frenkel
2024-06-05 09:04:22GMT
Excerpt:
Israel organized and paid for an influence campaign last year targeting U.S. lawmakers and the American public with pro-Israel messaging, as it aimed to foster support for its actions in the war with Gaza, according to officials involved in the effort and documents related to the operation.

The covert campaign was commissioned by Israel’s Ministry of Diaspora Affairs, a government body that connects Jews around the world with the State of Israel, four Israeli officials said. The ministry allocated about $2 million to the operation and hired Stoic, a political marketing firm in Tel Aviv, to carry it out, according to the officials and the documents.
 
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