Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Illuminati Order Official]

Wanting SW to be more mature is like when people want a gritty pokemon game. Retarded.

Palworld was a success.
There is a place in Star Wars for Jedi Prince and there is a place for Death Troopers or Shatterpoint.

Especially High Republic, whose chief antagonists consist of Sentient Asparagus called the "Drengir", and generic Space Vikings called the "Nihil".

To be honest, we had a semi-generic Space Pict named Nihl in Legacy comics.

 

[RiceofSkywalker]

The Force being religious magic was one of the best elements from A New Hope, especially in an era when fantasy as a genre had been incredibly secular. The idea that it’s something you have only because you’re special is retarded

That's how you end up with Rey Nobody (and broomstick kid) as your hero. It also makes Palpatine wiping out the Jedi entirely pointless if Joe Jane Schmoe can just wish hard enough and use Push, Speed and Lightning.

 

[bango skank]

It’s wild to me that ten years ago just hearing the title Star Wars: Acolyte would have had me rock hard and now, at best, I feel absolutely nothing.

 

[Gondolindrim]

It’s wild to me that ten years ago just hearing the title Star Wars: Acolyte would have had me rock hard and now, at best, I feel absolutely nothing.

I used to be excited at the idea of a show all about the Jedi Order but Disney's made it abundantly clear that they hate the Jedi Order and want to cater to the r/atheism brand of "Organized Religion bad."

 

[McMitch]

That's how you end up with Rey Nobody (and broomstick kid) as your hero. It also makes Palpatine wiping out the Jedi entirely pointless if Joe Jane Schmoe can just wish hard enough and use Push, Speed and Lightning.

The Force is a martial art, for a vast majority of people using it is something that has to be taught. Palpating wiping out the Jedi was only to disarm an organized power that could counter his own power. Ray being a nobody didn’t come about from anyone being able to use the Force, it came about from the director of the second sequel movie wanting to be subversive by undermining every bit of setup from the first, in a move that is counterproductive to any story writing effort. And they ended up making her a Skywalker at the end anyway, which was worse. 100% of the issues with the characters in the sequel trilogy comes from the fact that none of them have any actual characterization.

 

[Vect]

I just saw the first two episodes of The Acolyte. I feel like the actors are doing what they can with what they're given, directing could be worse, but it's the first time I've watched a Star Wars thing and thought 'fuck me this editing'. It's like they gave the official color grading and transition pack to some first year film student. It's astonishingly sloppy.

 

[CervixHammer]

I watched the first two episodes of The Acolyte out of morbid curiosity, and there was an entertaining moment.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

Coincidentally, Osha was also the name of the wilding servant of Winterfell from the very beginning of A Song of Ice and Fire. She's the reason why Game of Thrones changed the name of Theon Greyjoy's sister from Asha to Yara, clearly to avoid viewer confusion between characters since "Osha" and "Asha" sound very similar.
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The name change is pretty funny considering they had no problem with having Jeor, Jorah, and Jory as well as Jon, Jon, Jon, Jon... you get what I mean.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I've heard the premise of Acolyte and it sounds like yet another series where a woman will be a mass murderer but will be forgiven for being related to the protagonist and having a vagina.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Force is a martial art, for a vast majority of people using it is something that has to be taught. Palpating wiping out the Jedi was only to disarm an organized power that could counter his own power. Ray being a nobody didn’t come about from anyone being able to use the Force, it came about from the director of the second sequel movie wanting to be subversive by undermining every bit of setup from the first, in a move that is counterproductive to any story writing effort. And they ended up making her a Skywalker at the end anyway, which was worse. 100% of the issues with the characters in the sequel trilogy comes from the fact that none of them have any actual characterization.

That could easily be undone if some Jedi master passed down his teachings in some recordings and some dorks listened to it.

Order 66 stuck because not only is learning the Jedi way hard, but only a few people can even be Jedi in the first place.

Since Gandalf is the inspiration for Kenobi, it makes perfect sense that the Force-users are Space Istari. If any dumb jackass can learn space yoga and lift things with their mind, the Alliance would have MILLIONS of Jedi, since millions of Rebels hate the Empire so much that they'd dedicate their lives to learn an old art just to have a leg up on the Empire.

Also, remember that the Dark Side is easier to reach since it's the quick way to power, as Yoda said in ESB. If the Force is accessible to everyone, killing Vader and Sidious wouldn't matter since there'd be TRILLIONS of Dark-Siders. The Sith would get replaced in a second, and that victory on Endor wouldn't matter for shit.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

That could easily be undone if some Jedi master passed down his teachings in some recordings and some dorks listened to it.

Order 66 stuck because not only is learning the Jedi way hard, but only a few people can even be Jedi in the first place.

Since Gandalf is the inspiration for Kenobi, it makes perfect sense that the Force-users are Space Istari. If any dumb jackass can learn space yoga and lift things with their mind, the Alliance would have MILLIONS of Jedi, since millions of Rebels hate the Empire so much that they'd dedicate their lives to learn an old art just to have a leg up on the Empire.

Also, remember that the Dark Side is easier to reach since it's the quick way to power, as Yoda said in ESB. If the Force is accessible to everyone, killing Vader and Sidious wouldn't matter since there'd be TRILLIONS of Dark-Siders. The Sith would get replaced in a second, and that victory on Endor wouldn't matter for shit.

Ehhh, it would depend on how hard the martial art was to learn. If understanding "see the Buddha, kill the Buddha" is step 1, then the vast majority of people will never cross that threshold.

OFC this raises questions about the nature of the Force. Is "the will of the force" a metaphor, as it's usually deployed, or a literal thing, as Kreia believed? Do the Dark and Light sides have different wills or is it all part of one big picture? Is the Force just the Warp with a different coat of paint?

 

[McMitch]

That could easily be undone if some Jedi master passed down his teachings in some recordings and some dorks listened to it.

Order 66 stuck because not only is learning the Jedi way hard, but only a few people can even be Jedi in the first place.

Since Gandalf is the inspiration for Kenobi, it makes perfect sense that the Force-users are Space Istari. If any dumb jackass can learn space yoga and lift things with their mind, the Alliance would have MILLIONS of Jedi, since millions of Rebels hate the Empire so much that they'd dedicate their lives to learn an old art just to have a leg up on the Empire.

Also, remember that the Dark Side is easier to reach since it's the quick way to power, as Yoda said in ESB. If the Force is accessible to everyone, killing Vader and Sidious wouldn't matter since there'd be TRILLIONS of Dark-Siders. The Sith would get replaced in a second, and that victory on Endor wouldn't matter for shit.

It doesn't have to be that easy. You could no more easily pick up Force powers than you could become a killing machine from reading a pamphlet on Muay Thai. Any dumbass should be able to become a jedi, provided they're willing to put the work in. That was the entire twist of Yoda being a weird muppet character while also being the greatest extant Jedi master. The Dark Side is easier access to power because of the lack of self-restraint the Light Side has, but with the obvious drawback of sacrificing and debasing your character as a person.

If we're going to compare Kenobi to Gandalf, then we must remember that the entire impetus of TLotR was characters who were neither great nor chosen making great efforts to forsake immediate power simply because it's the right thing to do; and that those small choices of self-restraint over immediate gratification, without each the task would have been doomed to fail, were what led to the destruction of the ring.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It doesn't have to be that easy. You could no more easily pick up Force powers than you could become a killing machine from reading a pamphlet on Muay Thai. Any dumbass should be able to become a jedi, provided they're willing to put the work in. That was the entire twist of Yoda being a weird muppet character while also being the greatest extant Jedi master. The Dark Side is easier access to power because of the lack of self-restraint the Light Side has, but with the obvious drawback of sacrificing and debasing your character as a person.

If we're going to compare Kenobi to Gandalf, then we must remember that the entire impetus of TLotR was characters who were neither great nor chosen making great efforts to forsake immediate power simply because it's the right thing to do; and that those small choices of self-restraint over immediate gratification, without each the task would have been doomed to fail, were what led to the destruction of the ring.

The thing is, there's no shortage of people who will debase themselves for power. If the Force is available for everyone, damn near every desperate criminal will belong to the Dark Side. Hell, even those twi'lek dancers and the other prostitutes will do it. They already debase themselves for a living; might as well get telekinesis and lightning powers out of it.

Ehhh, it would depend on how hard the martial art was to learn. If understanding "see the Buddha, kill the Buddha" is step 1, then the vast majority of people will never cross that threshold.

OFC this raises questions about the nature of the Force. Is "the will of the force" a metaphor, as it's usually deployed, or a literal thing, as Kreia believed? Do the Dark and Light sides have different wills or is it all part of one big picture? Is the Force just the Warp with a different coat of paint?

No. The Force is what the people make it out to be. What they use it for. Even Dooku and Sidious believed that the will of the Force was on their side; the Jedi say the same thing.

 

[Screamer_2]

I downloaded the Acolyte, but the 4k copy's colors didn't work properly on the TV. So I ended up giving a watch on Disney+. I'll do so next week. Then put up with 1080p quality downloads if necessary or if I continue. If next week's episode is the one that ruins it. Being a, did not complete show will be my lame protest.

The main reason for this is, I do get entertainment in small dosses from the channels that discuss how it's shit and flaws. Which is a sad state of a lot of media today. Discussing how everything is shit is one of the better forms of entertainment.

The show wasn't god-awful, it was just meh. I think it suffers in the same way Kenobi suffered. The people making the show don't give a fuck about details. I'm blaming it on women as it's a trend I've noticed. Not all, but I think this generally holds true.

The emotion or idea of a scene always takes precedence over if it makes sense. There's almost a complete lack of noticing or caring about if anything makes sense or the details of the world. It's very simplistic. I would also say this is why there's no gear porn or focus on ships and the world buildings. It's just a meaningless backdrop they don't care about.

There are endless things I could state. A few is just how dumb the prison ship scene was, the cells on the bridge they just can escape. So dumb and lazy. Also, pointless to the story.

If this is the high republic, why is everything outer rim shit hole? Shouldn't the Jedi temples on the worlds they operate on be nice and maintained?

Bad twin has to break into the temple. Oh, it's like the droid at Jabba's door but two eyes! Uses a kid. The only reason for the kid is so later they can point at good twin. This is pointless we all already know it's twins. Writer wanted that scene even though it's pointless. Then lady needs to escape and return to the temple. No worries there's just a fucking open skylight about where a Jedi is meditating.

Jedi crew and good twin are going to meditating Jedi. Good twin breaks off and somehow gets there first because the writer wants a scene of her over the dead body. Except it's established to the viewers and the Jedi crew she isn't the killer. Any potential doubt is immediately resolved by the Soy Jedi with dumb hair. It's meaningless storytelling. Yet that moment of her over the body is why it happens. Writer wanted that scene even though it serves no purpose. It's not a story.

The entire construction of the twin plotline is handled incompetantly. There's never a mystery for the viewer. The mystery for other characters is basically immediately resolved. It's pointless to have wasted time on this. It's not done by a competent story teller.

Current Disney writers are Marvel-brained. None of the comic book characters are supposed to need to work or train to have their cool superhero powers because its a lazy "I'm already perfect, everyone else sucks" wish fulfillment for angsty teens. ,,,,,,
But this completely unworkable for niggers and trannies - the idea you have to keep putting in effort?! Why are you racist, transphobe?

But if we show "identity" as having struggle, learn, put effort into having skills it will dissuade people of that "identity group" from achieving in life.

It's funny how much of these retarded thought processes fold back on themselves. They want to create representation so identity group knows they can be a hero and do good. Yet gives them bad representation. Reinforcing the notion that if you can't instantly do something you can't ever do it. If others can do it, they just can. Nothing you can do.

It's clearly a view you could only have if you haven't struggled in life.

The Canon explanation for Rey was that she parasitized Kylo's powers, Chrollo Lucifer style. Which actually could have made for a hell of a plot twist if they'd actually used it. Imagine: Rey gets these amazing powers with zero training because she's so awesome, zero work required, yay! Then at the climax of Episode 8, Kyle or Snoke figures out the connection that she's using and severs it at a crucial moment, completely brutalized her/the Rebellion. Everything falls apart as she's suddenly completely out if her depth. How's that for a second act low point?

Is the canon in a book trying to plug the plotholes for TFA really canon?

As the trilogy is a mess, I think trying to put a coherent view of the story is pointless. My view remains that the intention originally was that Rey was trained as a kid. The force and her memories were blocked. All Kylo did was Awaken her ability to use for force. Hence the title of the film. The plan was in the next film Luke awakens her suppressed memories. Then round head didn't want to go that way and the novelist came up with an explanation.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

The thing is, there's no shortage of people who will debase themselves for power. If the Force is available for everyone, damn near every desperate criminal will belong to the Dark Side. Hell, even those twi'lek dancers and the other prostitutes will do it. They already debase themselves for a living; might as well get telekinesis and lightning powers out of it.

Okay, but if going Dark Side means you only need to meditate on a mountaintop in a blizzard for five years instead of ten, its still going to be out of reach for most people. Scumbags in particular would be more preoccupied with scumbagging and trying to evade the consequences thereof. Especially in a setting where there's no Chaos Daemons, Warlock patrons, Exaltation, or other mechanisms to just completely bypass the whole process, these things will be graded on a curve.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I've heard the premise of Acolyte and it sounds like yet another series where a woman will be a mass murderer but will be forgiven for being related to the protagonist and having a vagina.

And forgiven because she's a long lost twin or some other hackneyed nonsense. Listening to Fandom Menace people--because there's no way I'm watching it myself--and it sounds like a blur of bad storytelling decisions built on the bad High Republic IP setting. It sounds like the Jedi in this show operate like the Bene Gesserit with their constant mind reading, until the plot makes it so they can't mind read obvious suspects.

So, it sounds technically worse than Kenobi in that Kenobi has an okay setting to work from and then bad decisions make that story garbage. Kenobi, in the hands of people who care, could have been good. There is no chance Acolyte can be good no matter how good the decisions are.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Okay, but if going Dark Side means you only need to meditate on a mountaintop in a blizzard for five years instead of ten, its still going to be out of reach for most people. Scumbags in particular would be more preoccupied with scumbagging and trying to evade the consequences thereof. Especially in a setting where there's no Chaos Daemons, Warlock patrons, Exaltation, or other mechanisms to just completely bypass the whole process, these things will be graded on a curve.

Not really. Dark Side doesn't always need meditation; in fact, sometimes it requires the opposite since it requires you to feel immense amounts of anger, pain, hatred, you don't need a yoga pose for that. It helps, but you don't need it. Vader's little chamber on his ship was more of a life-support thing.

And forgiven because she's a long lost twin or some other hackneyed nonsense. Listening to Fandom Menace people--because there's no way I'm watching it myself--and it sounds like a blur of bad storytelling decisions built on the bad High Republic IP setting. It sounds like the Jedi in this show operate like the Bene Gesserit with their constant mind reading, until the plot makes it so they can't mind read obvious suspects.

So, it sounds technically worse than Kenobi in that Kenobi has an okay setting to work from and then bad decisions make that story garbage. Kenobi, in the hands of people who care, could have been good. There is no chance Acolyte can be good no matter how good the decisions are.

Knowing Disney's lack of risk-taking, they will eventually swing around and have the Jedi be good once a strong female protagonist takes over.

 

[McMitch]

The thing is, there's no shortage of people who will debase themselves for power. If the Force is available for everyone, damn near every desperate criminal will belong to the Dark Side. Hell, even those twi'lek dancers and the other prostitutes will do it. They already debase themselves for a living; might as well get telekinesis and lightning powers out of it.

Nigga, learning the Force isn’t like buying a $2 pistol. Even the Sith explicitly devote their lives to the religion, which is way more effort than any of those groups would put into it. Luke had a crash course training from what was implied in ANH to be a master of great enough power to have greatly extended his lifespan (before the prequels have him age fifty years over the course of twenty years), and proper training by an even more aged master (Yoda being 900 because he’s a master of the Force is way better than “his species just lives that long”), and he still only got as far as “kind of move stuff, I dunno.”

It sounds like the Jedi in this show operate like the Bene Gesserit with their constant mind reading, until the plot makes it so they can't mind read obvious suspects.

I don’t know where you got this idea the Bene Gesserit could read minds. They have a lot of fantastic abilities, but that is not one of them (and would completely undermine their role in the book.)

 

[el bandito loco]

So, it sounds technically worse than Kenobi in that Kenobi has an okay setting to work from and then bad decisions make that story garbage. Kenobi, in the hands of people who care, could have been good. There is no chance Acolyte can be good no matter how good the decisions are.

Kenobi is their biggest failure, because outside of maybe Darth Vader they had a show that basically writes itself, starring everyone's favorite Star Wars character and they somehow fucked it up, it's insane that show ended up a failure.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

The show wasn't god-awful, it was just meh. I think it suffers in the same way Kenobi suffered. The people making the show don't give a fuck about details. I'm blaming it on women as it's a trend I've noticed. Not all, but I think this generally holds true.

It is meh..except for alot of little dumbshit things they do.

Why would the Trade Federation that..100 years later specialize in robots not just have robots to repair things on the hull? Like even without a law to make them do it THEIR ENTIRE ARMY IS ROBOTS why would they have humans for this one fucking task?

or like

Why did Main character Lady..tell the 12 year old how Flexible she is? Why did..the Jedi Council not motherfucking instantly recall the Wookie from the ass end of the galaxy the moment it became clear that he was the target of an assassin that killed 2 Jedi Masters? Hell why the fuck did Hobo Meditation man not have guards after the first time they caught an intruder entering the building?