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Sicko Hunter said:
Never. Communism attracts freaks. Healthy, neurotypical people have zero interest in it as evidenced by the dozens of photos of meetups where everyone there looks like this
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you will never be a revolutionary you have no flag you have no vanguard all you have is a twisted amalgamation of Soviet active measures CIA backed new left weirdos twisted into a pale imitation of glorious revolutionary socialist ideology when the revolution comes come round you will be in a ditch alongside the capitalist bourgeois oppressors
 
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Ilaria Salis has been elected to the EU Parliament.
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laria Salis, an Italian anti-Fascist activist on trial in Hungary, has been elected to the European Parliament, the Green-Left Alliance (AVS) that put her among its candidates said early on Monday.
The 39-year-old Monza elementary school teacher is on trial in Hungary for allegedly being part of a German-led gang that allegedly targeted three neo-Nazis on their Day of Honour commemorating an SS regiment's "heroic" resistance against the Red Army on 11 February 2023.

Her conditions of detention have sparked protests from Italy after she was repeatedly led into court on a chain with her hands and ankles cuffed, a procedure Hungary says is standard but which aroused indignation here.
I love how the ANSA describes the situation, them heroically leading an attack on three neo-Nazis- it really is unfortunate how you can't actually prove any of the victims were neo-nazis, especially the most publicized one, this guy: it was a poor metalhead wearing some generic mainstream metal shirt, camo pants and steel toed boots (which the aforementioned Antifa group identified as a neo-Nazi attire) heading into his wagie job as a tobacco shopkeeper until he got attacked by a roving gang of chimps with telescopic batons and pepper spray.

The reason the trial even went on this long is that they were wearing masks and so you can't identify which one out of the 8 or however many monkeys were too afraid and stood back and which ones kept beating on the guy laying on the ground- obviously with the masks and the fact that the guy was literally beaten unconscious he had trouble identifying his attackers.

Footage of the attack:
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Her father devised a plan: If she runs as a MEP, she gets complete immunity. So she ran in the colors of AVS (Greens and Left Alliance).
Despite the party having virtually no chance in the earlier polls it has gotten about 6.6% now, way more than anyone ever expected, and it's clear that it was due to this distinguished lady (speculated to be the person blowing pepper spray into the face of a person beaten into the ground) joining the party, who will represent Italy in the golem that is the European Parliament.

So, what does this mean?
Ilaria Salis will have complete immunity as a member of the EU parliament, she will be free and able to return to Italy in 15 months from now (she's in house arrest in Budapest now, not even in jail). If you also include the benefits, she'll also have a roughly 20k euros (cca 21500 USD) a month salary seeing as she'll be a full blown MEP. Another Antifa criminal not only walking free but rewarded for their misdeeds. Quite an upgrade for Ms. Salis going to 'international political martyr' from 'destitute ex-substitute teacher turned antifa squatting in a Milano government flat with this troupe'. Thank you, Italian voters, very cool!
 
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latinlover said:
Ilaria Salis will have complete immunity as a member of the EU parliament, she will be free and able to return to Italy in 15 months from now (she's in house arrest in Budapest now, not even in jail).
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So if she just runs or win a seat in parliament she is free to do any crime she wants? What kinda loop hole is this
 
Mitt Doggy Dogg said:
So if she just runs or win a seat in parliament she is free to do any crime she wants? What kinda loop hole is this
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She has already ran and won.

It's not clear, but it is possible the immunity itself would be enough. The funny thing is that she doesn't even need the immunity, all she needs is the right to leave Hungary, which this mandate provides her with. Leaving Hungary would equal her going free because noone outside of Hungary is interested in prosecuting her- obviously law enforcement cooperates within the EU, but when the crimes start getting less 'sex trafficking, drug smuggling, murder' and more political they have less of an interest in doing it. That, and Italy's stance being that the trial in Hungary was unjust, improperly executed, whatever whatever doesn't help either. If she leaves Hungary and never goes back she's free, that's all- and she will do it in roughly a year and a half, Hungary can do nothing about it. Until then she's in a cozy downtown Budapest apartment with an ankle bracelet, not even in a rape dungeon.
 
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latinlover said:
t's not clear, but it is possible the immunity itself would be enough. The funny thing is that she doesn't even need the immunity, all she needs is the right to leave Hungary, which this mandate provides her with
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Damn I wanna go be a EU politician now, just go around committing minor crimes for fun and profit and get away with it. I mean sure she didn't rape, or kill anyone and she didn't rob a bank but still she should have done some time for being involved in a gang beating of some guy.
 
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Does anybody remember the ad for the room for rent in leftist communalist warehouse it wasn't even a joke at it was fully a real ad on Facebook.
There are no anti fascists in Ukraine though they keep ending up dead
 
glue eater said:
New Chairman and general secretary of the Finnish communist youth.
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The girl on the right do be looking kinda fine but she should wear her hair short rather than not at all. Her baldness makes me think I'm looking at a baby doll half the time. Also, this faggot can go fuck himself:
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You don't look Nordic, you look like a FUCKING LESBIAN. I've seen other Finns, professors even, with this haircut too, and the first word that always comes to mind is "dyke". It's embarassing. Someone should tell them to "take a hint, hintti" and shave it off.

glue eater said:
What it boils down to, is that communism is the politicization of envy, so no wonder ugly people are drawn to it. Have you ever seen a beautiful or handsome communist? I'm not talking about some half a century old picture of Che, but as in real life. Or hell, the Farms.
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Largely you are correct. Those who become communist or socialist aren't always envious, but those who stay so often are. As an aside, I hope Satre is choking on shit in Hell. Neitzsche was also utterly pathetic but at least he had some neat observations and ideas. Satre has had nothing of the sort insofar as I've tolerated his words. Physiognomy is the Alex Jones of pseudosciences: it's right more often than you'd think.

LateNightMuffin said:
Did they find the ugliest people in all of Scandinavia for these positions?
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Yes. Yes they did. Even to a Finn, these people are remarkably ugly.

87q6839b said:
Even if their leaders want to build a cool and hip fashy roman/sparta style empire, I don't like it, because what makes our species superior is the ability to love in a Christian sense, not merely behave like animals.
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You are in your right to not like it. However, in my opinion, this "loving in a Christian sense" is a large part of what got us in the mess we are in today. We got so used to hugging, we forgot how to push. We got so used to peace, we forgot how to fight. We know how to shake hands more than throw them. I have my own problems with fascists and national socialists. But they are correct in that in the coming decades Europeans must confirm in parliament or in the streets, that this is their house; as, if they don't, it simply won't be anymore. There is a time for love. It is not now.

glue eater said:
I don't think I have gotten any smarter or become convinced in the world revolution, but I have noticed a common theme in all of them: They depict fascists (or patriots in general) as retarded incompetent bumbling idiot inbred redneck boneheads...but also simultaneously just about to take over the world, or already controlling it, depending on the author. Schrödingers Fascist if you will. I wonder how antifascists live with this glaring ideological contradiction. Then again, that is why communist memes are always so full of text, while patriotism is simple to understand and almost instinctive, communism is so incoherent and full of contradictions you need complex ideological weltanschauung to not get short circuited. A bit like commies shill for brown nationalism and put the most backward people on pedestal.
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Modern leftism has always been full of contradictions. One perspective I've heard, and agree with, is that this is intentional. The ideology is not meant to be correct or coherent, it is meant to humiliate its followers into subjugation, as a flex of power. Patriotism on the other hand is simple because it is instinctive. Just as one feels loyalty to their family, they feel loyalty to their nation and their people. Leftists also have the apparent contradiction that they must criticize rightists but never embed themselves in them and learn their ideology for fear of being tainted. If they did, they might actually have something to say.

87q6839b said:
Maybe they should. Maybe with less chauvinist undertones, I don't know. There are many gatherings, often religious, where naturally, almost exclusively whites are present, without needing to treat any outliers with suspicion or contempt.
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You are right to worry but should keep in mind the chauvinism is expected and, to a degree, necessary. A sick society is like a sick body. To purge the sickness, a revolution will sweep over the society as a fever sweeps over the body. The chauvinism is the heat of that fever. It is right that it should be hot, to force the necessary change. But it can burn too hot, and irreversibly cripple the society it seeks to save. In this sense, there must be a balance.

Another thing to keep in mind with chauvinists is that they are always romantics. Their energy comes from an intense infatuation with what they propagate. Their affair is a deep love. It is nothing but vigor and emotion, desperately possessed by the beauty of a dream. If one is a patriot, this dream is of their nation's great future. Their love is of the fatherland. Their infatuation is with the culture around them. Their heart obligates a duty to their heritage and to their people.

This emotion is vital, but one should beware of where it goes. Such feelings are right for the artist, someone whose trade is in feeling and sensation, whose work gives the life and identity of the nation. But it is heinously perverse for those who make policy, who govern and rule. Ones desires and goals can be the nation, the people and their betterment, just like the romantic, but to actually deliver this requires a pragmatist. When the tribe and fatherland's future becomes a tactical question, realpolitik is the only politik. Mannerheim knew this. Being romantic when one should be pragmatic is a common trap of this sort of thinking. Something strongly present in the errors Orwell points out in his "Notes on Nationalism" (his 'nationalism' is more accurately 'chauvinism').

This is also my main criticism of Nazism. The Nazis were romantics. Their suits. Their films. Their iconography. Their art and architecture. It is all a bonfire of passion for Germany and the German people - capturing the eyes, alluring the heart, grasping the soul. Hitler himself was an artist, deeply in love with Germany. But then the Nazi dream became state policy, and as a result of the expected dysfunction, what would've been Germany's finest hour became it's last. As an aside, another criticism of Nazism, specifically of Hitler, would be to not make your teenage dreams into your political ambition. If you read Kubizek's "The Young Hitler I Knew" you'd see that Hitler was more consistent than he was antisemitic.

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Groups like GUD
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I get that it's French, but whenever I hear this name I think of "git gud" à la Dark Souls lol. They should be yelling "git gud noob!" when they jump someone lmao.
 
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Exactly. No liberal has ever said, "Wow, you know who those neo-Nazi alt-right weirdos remind me of? The Bolsheviks. And Stalin was a bad dude! Really makes you think, huh?" The basic framing of the left is that the far right is evil, while the far left is good kids who sometimes go a bit too far. The right accepts this basic framing. Protesting that the far left is fascist, too, implicitly embraces the notion that the right is evil, and the left is good.
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That must be so thoroughly broken if the right ever wants to truly win ever again. The apologia of leftist violence infuriates me to no end and the right only does this likley because the institutional capture of academia, media, finance and the law by leftist groups. In fact it's a level of weakness that leaves only beyond brutal purging of these institutions if it continues.
 
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That must be so thoroughly broken if the right ever wants to truly win ever again. The apologia of leftist violence infuriates me to no end and the right only does this likley because the institutional capture of academia, media, finance and the law by leftist groups. In fact it's a level of weakness that leaves only beyond brutal purging of these institutions if it continues.
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One way to push back is to inform people about the roots of fascism, its socialist origins. Georges Sorel and all that. Don't let them deny it, keep hammering it home, don't let them change definitions, attack nonstop.
 
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curecanti88 said:
One way to push back is to inform people about the roots of fascism, its socialist origins. Georges Sorel and all that. Don't let them deny it, keep hammering it home, don't let them change definitions, attack nonstop.
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Communism isn't bad because its related to fascism, its bad because its the opposite of fascism: a godless, internationalist race and nation denying ideology. The "Fascism is when communism" libertarian boomer argument is retarded as fuck and needs to be buried. You will never "own" a communist by calling him fascist, just fucking call him a communist, its a way worse thing to be called, if you say "fascism is...le bad!" you agree with communists that nationalism, even if in its extreme form, is bad, and antifascism is therefor good, and you have just conceded them ground and weakened your own position immeasurably.
 
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curecanti88 said:
One way to push back is to inform people about the roots of fascism, its socialist origins. Georges Sorel and all that. Don't let them deny it, keep hammering it home, don't let them change definitions, attack nonstop.
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"XYZ are the real fascists" is the equivalent of "Imagine if the roles were reversed". It has never worked, and it will never work. Loser's gambit.
 
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