Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Grumpus]

I don't know why he wastes his time with comics. Clearly Eric could overthrow the gubment at the blink of an eye. Hell, he IS the Gubment according to these guys.


Every single day, I am reminded that people on this Earth cannot compute how building up a platform to market from---allowed Eric July to market from a platform he built up. They're stupified by the concept of preparedness.


It's almost like he's running a business or something...

Man comes into the scene to sell a book, invests massively improving behind the scenes to ensure his future books are handled bettered and are what the fans want.
Does meet ups to meet masses of said fans, engages with them and has a fantastic day.
Sticks to deadlines as much as possible (Yaira Winter was fucking pushing it lol).
Makes a cheap magazine to test future story's and generally fill some blanks in the setting.
Generally goes overboard making his IP work how he can.


Called a grifter still by perpetually late people who got banned from Kickstarter coz their lack of delivery before starting a new campaign was flagged as a scam.

 

[Gee Willows Wilson!]

Looking back at these boomers really makes you think. They seriously wanted to be an alternative to the comics industry. Even Zach who seemed to be the most maverick of the group (putting out campaigns in a timely manner that were all very mediocre and not too great) was at least getting by with his dependability.

But eventually, it all slowed down, suddenly campaigns had 10 tiers of backing with pointless guff and knickknacks and 5+ variations of covers, and then the lateness started creeping in. Smaller campaigns and even the big ones started taking too long. But what was allowed to enter was even worse: bloodsports. I'm all for going after your enemies and making them look dumb, but there comes a point where it begins to get pathetic.

As mentioned before, back in my days of CG there was only a handful of enemies: Miller, and Tenapel were the biggest names of guys who dared break rank and question EVS. They got their lumps and mentions on stream, but they never got the amount of hate and laser focus like Eric. I mean for fuck sake, even when EVS was screeching about Doug and Miller, he at least managed to get his books out within a year or two. Eric "Giga Nigga" July has managed to make EVS late on more projects than July has managed to put out. Some of them aren't even EVS's "passion project " All the fat faggot wants to do now is sit around in his basement and seethe about other people on the internet, piss off his customers (going against the CG code) and "totally just want to help the little guy out" on a guy who has made more than double his highest campaign funding goal... multiple times.

@FROG when you read this: I used to be a customer of yours. I fell off because you were not upholding YOUR standards of the mythical Comesgate tenants. YOU came up with the commandments, and then you broke them all for what reason? Why do you give a shit about some "uppity nigga"? Why do you care about some fat retard in England? But more importantly, why haven't you worked on your projects? I don't know, but I get the feeling your autistic half-brained daughter could do more, I feel like your gold digger wife could produce a project quicker. Why not have them take over while you engorge yourself on live streaming berries? Here's how your "masterpiece" work of art, magnum opus will turn out once you finish up three years of drawing:

> gets it in the mail in the year 2026
> "Oh yeah I ordered this."
> Digs comic out of piles of tchotchkes
> Opens pages. "Wow, art's pretty decent. I like the coloring. Oh okay the vezzpuzz came here from another galaxy and wanted to terraform our planet, woah. Cool there's Cyberfrog. Oh Salamandroid isn't dead neat. Heather's cool.... Sweet they beat them."
> Closes book and puts it somewhere to collect dust.
> 5/10 art good, story generic
Now, of course, your die-hard fans who have been salivating for the next part of the Cyberfrog vs the Big Wasps comic are going to say it's the comic to save the comics industry a tour de force that rivals such greats as Watchmen, Killing Joke, (highly successful comic from the 1980s that everyone mentions) and others. eat your heart out Miller, Gaiman, Johns! But the reality is much more simpler, and sadly for you, true... You're just Eric July but with slightly better art, and way less successful.

I'm sorry, but it's true. The worst part is, you're not even a better human being. You've made yourself worse than the very nigger you are seeking to destroy.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

George Miller fell for the same trap that all these other idiots went for. Strong female lead characters to surpass and replace the male title characters in their own franchises. They are so strong they need male hosts just to get attention. Richard is just floating out there and is pushing off the wrong wall. Early onset dementia?

We always talked about Hollywood getting back in order if they just made good films.

Now, it seems like they lost so much good will (on top of the economy and inflation right now) that even if they did, no one’s gonna show up and they can’t make their money back now. Aaron Clarey made this point on one of his streams.

 

[videoman]

I saw some comments above on why evs is so obsessed with Eric July, the paying dues and overall jealousy and had some thoughts.

In comics there is a thing where established comic artists will trash any prospect artist/writer at a convention ruthlessly and only the ass kissers would make it past the gatekeepers, worked this way for years. No matter the idea, if it was presented they'd call it a rip of something else or find a way to trash it all while themselves putting out terrible, derivative stuff and just shrugging about deadlines if you called them on their own trash work. I had seen great aspiring artists torn apart by awful pro artists at conventions, those are dues.

The ironic thing is that women were treated with kid gloves (so few of them and men were horny) and often allowed in (opposite of their complaints) and their ideas praised regardless of quality, which led to the situation where women infiltrated comics that had no business doing them. This is important as evs did this with Mandy, while her quality might not be as bad as heather antos, it was the same road in. evs follows old school comic gatekeeping rules.

Good artists might break through as they have value, after the abuse you can make them draw your stuff and make money off them but male writers like Eric would only make it past evs and their editor buddies after much ass kissing. After all "anyone can write" is often their view.

evs took this culture and imported it into comicsgate. Eric on the other hand was apparently a very sharp business man (probably better than creator) and proved that business acumen trumps raw talent in a lazy body. I think evs was legit shocked at the numbers Eric was succeeding while IGNORING their advice and not kissing the ring and evs was powerless to stop it. To evs ego this must have been maddening so you can see how he NEEDS to destroy Eric and why he would say "he has no business making comics" and "not anyone can walk in and make comics". That is the view of every marvel dc creator of which he wishes he was still one (and why he praised Geoff Johns woke creator crap of all people to try to own Eric). If Eric succeeds the true old boy network evs is a part of is dead.

The history of comics ironically IS ANYONE CAN MAKE IT. You can just draw some panels and balloons and you have comics, its supposed to be a low bar of entry unlike movies or music. Its supposed to be fun and its ironic that an industry looked down on (probably why) has adopted this elitist attitude, which is why the industry is dying incidentally.

Many indie groups of creators have tried to get companies off the ground and inevitably you have one elite artist who is a primadonna and other creators who crank out work. The elite artist never gets more than a few pages done and so their book never gets finished and they crap on the mediocre artist who gets the actual book down. A complete book trumps a masterpiece that never gets completed every time. But the elite artists HATE workman artists.

Walking Dead and image is the best example of workman art beating elite art. A mediocre but super fast artist helped a writer to tell a story so compelling it made more money than every single other image property (based on merits of writing and idea, not art) and he is now image most powerful partner, a writer took over "image" comics and guys like Jim lee couldn't hack it and left. That says it all and its why Eric is destroying evs. evs can attack Erics writing all he wants with "he'll get better but it would take years" but he has the platform and if he puts out books consistently the improvement will speed up with the output and years later he will be better and evs STILL won't be done.

 

[Fleetwood]

@FROG when you read this: I used to be a customer of yours. I fell off because you were not upholding YOUR standards of the mythical Comesgate tenants. YOU came up with the commandments, and then you broke them all for what reason

He has no values. People assign their own idea of what comicsgate is/was from watching a few streams of whatever bullshit @FROG was on that week. It's all just saying whatever crap to get superchats and sales then contradicting it later when it's too late to refund.

Walking Dead and image is the best example of workman art beating elite art. A mediocre but super fast artist helped a writer to tell a story so compelling it made more money than every single other image property (based on merits of writing and idea, not art) and he is now image most powerful partner, a writer took over "image" comics and guys like Jim lee couldn't hack it and left.

Walking Dead was also B&W and was quickly reprinted in larger volumes. Some of the same reasons manga works. Was widely available even at Wal-Mart.

. "Wow, art's pretty decent. I like the coloring.

See above post. The coloring sucks and it makes the art worse. Both Ethan's art and Kyle's coloring use a trick to make you think it's good by being super busy and over embellished. But like the art in Walking Dead, simplicity and economy of line in the art beats super busy. Ethan and other comicsgate people want the art to be like the failed 90s Jim Lee crap but do it worse and slower, and that even includes Wetworks the notoriously late image book was only a mere 2 years late.

 

[Gee Willows Wilson!]

He has no values. People assign their own idea of what comicsgate is/was from watching a few streams of whatever bullshit @FROG was on that week. It's all just saying whatever crap to get superchats and sales then contradicting it later when it's too late to refund.

Walking Dead was also B&W and was quickly reprinted in larger volumes. Some of the same reasons manga works. Was widely available even at Wal-Mart.

See above post. The coloring sucks and it makes the art worse. Both Ethan's art and Kyle's coloring use a trick to make you think it's good by being super busy and over embellished. But like the art in Walking Dead, simplicity and economy of line in the art beats super busy. Ethan and other comicsgate people want the art to be like the failed 90s Jim Lee crap but do it worse and slower, and that even includes Wetworks the notoriously late image book was only a mere 2 years late.

Agreed, my example of faceless CG comic recipient backer #2453 was more of a generalization. I personally think Kyle can be a good colorist, but him and Ethan have the "no one to tone me down" syndrome. There's no reason Cyberfrog needs to be so detailed, especially since he claims all his other work is loved, and old Cyberfrog was so uber popular, despite a less detailed look. Even more especially when it takes you 4 years to produce (even though we know he's not actually working on his comic)

 

[Fleetwood]

Mandy, while her quality might not be as bad as heather antos, it was the same road in.

Mandy is worse to listen to with the fake ass southern bumpkin exaggerated accent. Almost would rather hear a smug sjw. They both have busted faces, Heather has a permanent tilted slash smirk thing going :/ and Mandy has a horse face. Antos doesn't have nudes out there that we know of. She was failing to be a model ten + years ago. Mandy was a skank with nudes and lewds online less than ten years ago. Mandy is exactly what YBZ & co say Antos was.

Agreed, my example of faceless CG comic recipient backer #2453 was more of a generalization. I personally think Kyle can be a good colorist, but him and Ethan have the "no one to tone me down" syndrome. There's no reason Cyberfrog needs to be so detailed, especially since he claims all his other work is loved, and old Cyberfrog was so uber popular, despite a less detailed look. Even more especially when it takes you 4 years to produce (even though we know he's not actually working on his comic)

Probably he can work fast but makes sure to be super slow as fuck when the camera is on so he has an excuse for being late other than fucking off and wasting time online streaming, at the casino, at baseball games, anywhere but drawing.

 

[Observantwatcherofthings0]

https://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=148544&page=29

Sure this is already archived on this forum but had to see it to believe it.
Was looking into EVS due to the rekieta thread and am amazed to find out he’s been scamming people for years by taking commission funds in advance and not delivering, at least since 2008?
People gave him money in advance for cyberfrog with the reputation he has.

Madness

 

[Tepes Thot]

At this point, I'm thinking he's working some kind of scam or angle. I can't figure out exactly what it is,

Someone mentioned a good point up thread that he sells comics, so it’s in his best interest to tell you comics is dead/evil/over/no good ones to be found. He also really doesn’t like to talk about manga doing so well, except occasionally giving Berserk a shout out.

I want to add that I thought about, isn’t it funny he pulls this as CG goes after anti-SJWs too, because most of them are friends with Eric July?
Zack tries to separate from CG, but his income is still tied to that space, and the people who will support their ancient crowdfunds.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s actually pretending that crew has the power to kill Hollywood, so he can attack them by extension out of jealousy/worry.

- Critical Drinker is friendly with Mark Millar, has successful(?) books selling, and is making a movie. Might not be great stuff, but he’s past Zack at this point.

- Eric July has created a brand, and didn’t blow it out the gate when he got writer’s ADD like Zack did with Jawbreakers. He’s got Chuck Dixon and Mike Baron too, and they’ll do better there than with Zack.
He now has an actual business, while Zack essentially has a cringe Etsy hobby.

They all have more subscribers and more influence (though they cannot control Hollywood, that’s beyond laughable he thinks that) than CG, and that includes him.

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

nick jumped in because he thought eric july would lose didnt he?

Nick's homosexual passion for Dick is only rivaled by his passion for booze. And coke. And actual dick.

but I think what originally angered him about Isom the most, was the undisclosed use of 3D assets

Hard disagree. If July just kissed the ring, EVS would keep talking about how 3D assets are an industry standard and how even he traces backgrounds.

 

[Mr Processor]

Someone mentioned a good point up thread that he sells comics, so it’s in his best interest to tell you comics is dead/evil/over/no good ones to be found. He also really doesn’t like to talk about manga doing so well, except occasionally giving Berserk a shout out.

I want to add that I thought about, isn’t it funny he pulls this as CG goes after anti-SJWs too, because most of them are friends with Eric July?
Zack tries to separate from CG, but his income is still tied to that space, and the people who will support their ancient crowdfunds.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s actually pretending that crew has the power to kill Hollywood, so he can attack them by extension out of jealousy/worry.

- Critical Drinker is friendly with Mark Millar, has successful(?) books selling, and is making a movie. Might not be great stuff, but he’s past Zack at this point.

- Eric July has created a brand, and didn’t blow it out the gate when he got writer’s ADD like Zack did with Jawbreakers. He’s got Chuck Dixon and Mike Baron too, and they’ll do better there than with Zack.
He now has an actual business, while Zack essentially has a cringe Etsy hobby.

They all have more subscribers and more influence (though they cannot control Hollywood, that’s beyond laughable he thinks that) than CG, and that includes him.

Yeah, that makes sense and ties this into the recent tempest in ComicsGate. I do definitely think he still has a spreadsheet for it, just not one he'll show on his streams. The man loves his spreadsheets, after all. He should do a comic about spreadsheets.

 

[WanTuTreeForr]

Remember when EVS would get a donation, he would read the message and say "Thanks X donator for the 20 bucks! "THAT AINT CHEAP!"" ....Yall remember who he stole that phrase from? Eric D. July lmfaooo. Like most out of touch middle aged white dudes who so desperately want to be "cool", he saw the slang that the cool new negro was doing and mimicked it in hopes of appealing to the new "urban fanbase". This 50 year old married loser, looked at someone almost 20 years younger than him and tried to copy him because "it was the cool and hip thing to do" but not anymore right EVS? How embarrassing. This is the self proclaimed right wing conservative culture warrior who is gonna save the entire industry from the SJWs. Him, Shaved Anus, and Malincel.

 

[Stupor Mario]

Looking back at these boomers really makes you think. They seriously wanted to be an alternative to the comics industry. Even Zach who seemed to be the most maverick of the group (putting out campaigns in a timely manner that were all very mediocre and not too great) was at least getting by with his dependability.

But eventually, it all slowed down, suddenly campaigns had 10 tiers of backing with pointless guff and knickknacks and 5+ variations of covers, and then the lateness started creeping in. Smaller campaigns and even the big ones started taking too long. But what was allowed to enter was even worse: bloodsports. I'm all for going after your enemies and making them look dumb, but there comes a point where it begins to get pathetic.

The problem is that people can't recreate a giant, sustained industry that was developed over decades overnight. And if you are going to try and replace the old comics industry with something else, you have to understand how to do things on a basic level.

The comics industry as we knew it (for most of it's successful years) wasn't run by the artists. Most artists are too flakey and ego-driven to be expected to create things consistently on time without them getting distracted or derailed. When you don't have any corporate tard wranglers to keep artists from getting caught up in ego-driven feuds or to keep them on a schedule, you get bloodsports and late campaigns. When DC and Marvel were run competently, if one of your artists entered a spiral of incompetent self-destruction, you could always replace them with somebody else.

Bottom line - big dreams alone aren't enough. You need structure, consistency, discipline, a reliable infrastructure getting product made and delivered, a working business model keeping you from going in the red, etc. That's why you're seeing a lot of flash-in-the-pan creators now. It's also why EJ has a better shot at creating an alternative than anybody else in CG, because he understands how to run a business. As long as a solid business structure is there, you can always find talent to plug into it.

 

[Captain Manning]

nick jumped in because he thought eric july would lose didnt he?

Nick's homosexual passion for Dick is only rivaled by his passion for booze. And coke. And actual dick.

Correct.

Nick wouldn't GAF, and might even still be on good terms with July, if Juju and the crack pack weren't running their little campaign against July. Nick wouldn't otherwise have a reason to oppose July. The non-practicing quip came after he started sticking up for Dick, Vito, and Riley.

Now Nick is having to eat shit again YET AGAIN upon the news the Riley is arrested in connection with a warrant out of Plano (where July's wearhouse is). Nick was ranting about how Riley was a gud boi who broke no law, and it was Eric that was the dumb one.

I like how CG is still claiming Nick embarrassed July. I rather think, with the way this has played out, it's the other way around.

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

This is starting to look like the ending of The Godfather for the Rippatractors. Watch yo back, @Ike Aim!


Also, the Kino Casino segment on Anna is up on their clip channel. I hadn't seen the video where she actually eats the dirt before. Repent, simps.

Nick was ranting about how Riley was a gud boi who broke no law, and it was Eric that was the dumb one.

NICK REKIETA TOLD ME I COULD CUM ON YOUR MEETUP, BISH.

 

[Grunka Lunka]

https://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=148544&page=29

Sure this is already archived on this forum but had to see it to believe it.
Was looking into EVS due to the rekieta thread and am amazed to find out he’s been scamming people for years by taking commission funds in advance and not delivering, at least since 2008?
People gave him money in advance for cyberfrog with the reputation he has.

Madness

Ethan's laziness never changes.

 

[KissMyTaint]

Given everything that’s happened over the course of the past 5 years or so, should the first post be updated to be up to date on the current state of Comicsgate? Or a timeline kept of all the important moments? Or a pinned post? Or just leave it as is and just go through the thread to learn about the ins and outs of this entire drama?

First introductory post on Comicsgate

 

[videoman]

In retrospect the smartest thing Eric July did was create his own system to accept payments (which likely killed evs as there is no way his lazy stupid ass could figure that out) but had Eric not done that you know Ethan's people would get Eric kicked off of Indigogo just like sjw's. Its not that they won't buy, no one should buy your stuff. Erics website going down during campaigns likely wasn't due to buys but attacks by evs.

UPDATE: Apparently they are review bombing the VENUE the damn venue Eric was at. These people are literally sjw's. That is the sjw tactic. The right never did that, that was the issue they never did anything. The right never went after the left with these tactics, they were too lazy and pussies. To e-stalk is their tactic so yeah, Dick Vito are evs crew now and Eric would totally be kicked off indigogo. Smartest thing he ever did was build that website.

 

[سلیمان عثمان]

The comics industry as we knew it (for most of it's successful years) wasn't run by the artists.

As it was explained to me, the comic book industry spun out of the newspaper industry. A lot of papers were starting to fail and they were throwing shit at the wall to see what would stick. News stands would return unsold papers and magazines to the printers for pulping and the printers found out that they were getting little or even zero returns on collected reprints of back-catalogue newspaper comic strips.

They doubled down on it and started producing brand new comic books to keep the sales going and, so I am told, kicked off the Golden Age of comics. I will dig around and see if I can find some decent sources that back this up, add them in the edit.

Personally I have a suspicion that it was the artists more than any one (even the CCA) who put the industry in to its current state, good artists tend to have big egos and tend to hate selling work that they consider beneath them. Dreadful choice for sales leader ship.

 

[videoman]

Personally I have a suspicion that it was the artists more than any one (even the CCA) who put the industry in to its current state, good artists tend to have big egos and tend to hate selling work that they consider beneath them. Dreadful choice for sales leader ship.

The issue was executives gave way to editors who weren't editors but wannabe creators and writers who lacked talent. These people were very much like evs, egotistical and loved their ass being kissed. Many turned into "writers" but these editors created a culture of nepotism in both art and writing and the executives were often clueless as to why the product went downhill. So you had no new talent or ideas entering comics as anyone good but inexperienced wasn't seen as a prospect but as a geek to gatekeep at best or a threat at worst by these ego driven editors who wished they could write.

The "sjwing" of comics is a direct result of the nepotism culture as fugly thots sleazed their way into comics wishing they could get into other media like writing news, movies, streaming shows and then when metoo became a thing along with social media every man had to either leave the biz or back their politics and these women, along with the influx of ESG money to hire them, maneuvered their way up despite the utter failure of everything they touched. So they go from being the lone girl for a bunch of desperate comic book geeks in a bar to fawn over after work, to the head bitch via blackmail and esg money.