Argue about CRT, effects of homeschooling, and whether Jews are stealing your foreskin

[MirnaMinkoff]

They are homeschooled except for the oldest. The 'not attending school' might mean that they stopped going to their homseschool coop or that they stopped attending their extracurriculars regularly.

I’m sure that was what was meant but the coop people realized if the kids weren’t attending their classes the kids were getting zero schooling at home. I’d guess “staring at iPads” was the sun total of the kids education for the past six months, if not much longer.

I get the idea that the older kid, after Nick and Kayla were too coked up to bother participating in coop or even before, begged to go to a real school just to gtfo that house.

Long ago I had hoped that Nick and Kayla were in the small minority that were providing a homeschool education that was better than public school. Now I think they were in a typical “homeschool” demographic that is lazy parents that can’t keep schedules and don’t want their kids around mandatory reporters. (Almost as bad as the third demo, religious fanatics who only allow kids to study the Bible (or Torah if Jewish) for their “education.”

 

[Dr. Jaime Reyes]

Long ago I had hoped that Nick and Kayla were in the small minority that were providing a homeschool education that was better than public school.

To the contrary I think Rackets is one of the few homeschoolers providing a worse education than our awesome public school system. Even the cocaine doesn’t make him worse than some vibrant inner-city academies, but the Balldo puts him in a class of his own.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I said that home school is chosen by certain shitbags because they want to avoid mandated reporters or “the government”
I never thought Nick would have fallen into that categoric until recently.

They went to the pastor of their church because he’s the leader of their church, not because he was a mandated reporter. He is a moral and spiritual leader to them and therefore took their concerns to him believing he would know the best course of action to take with the info.

I think their pastor went to CPS for moral reasons, not any legal mandate. Pastors aren’t usually thought of as mandated reporters and are only categorized as such in certain states.

What’s curious is mandated reporters usually go to CPS when they are concerned about child neglect. The pastor went to the cops, he took it to a higher level than necessary for a mandated reporter unless there are even worse matters that haven’t come to public light yet.

The Church also runs and sponsors a school program. They have teachers. The Nursery School Teacher is one of the ones that flagged it and brought it to the Pastor. She is also a Mandatory Reporter. The Pastor in this case is not simply functioning as a Spiritual Leader. He is the Head Administrator of the School program. As near as I can tell most of the complaints came from that side of the church the children's education side.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I said that home school is chosen by certain shitbags because they want to avoid mandated reporters or “the government”
I never thought Nick would have fallen into that categoric until recently.

They went to the pastor of their church because he’s the leader of their church, not because he was a mandated reporter. He is a moral and spiritual leader to them and therefore took their concerns to him believing he would know the best course of action to take with the info.

I think their pastor went to CPS for moral reasons, not any legal mandate. Pastors aren’t usually thought of as mandated reporters and are only categorized as such in certain states.

What’s curious is mandated reporters usually go to CPS when they are concerned about child neglect. The pastor went to the cops, he took it to a higher level than necessary for a mandated reporter unless there are even worse matters that haven’t come to public light yet.

I agree with you, though I don't find it curious someone would go to the police. I don't think most people think about the intricacies of governmental divisions or are that familiar with CPS - and unlike the police whose building they probably drive by every third day, CPS isn't a local presence where so-and-so's cousin's high school boyfriend used to work (meaning a part of daily life, whether or not you have a lot of "formal" contact with law enforcement). Seems completely normal to me to go to the police and expect they'd either take the report or redirect you to what you need to do.

And as an aside, yesterday I went down a weird path looking at homeschooling information and mandatory reporting, and there was a TON of slightly odd stuff about keeping your kids away from government, when not to report questionable stuff, debates over whether there should ever be any required contact with mandatory reporters or how to avoid it or make an argument against it. Creepy af.

 

[DumbDude43]

small minority that were providing a homeschool education that was better than public school

pretty sure that american home school kids perform significantly better than american public school kids, both academically and socially
at least that's what all the data i've seen so far suggested

 

[Desktop User2]

pretty sure that american home school kids perform significantly better than american public school kids, both academically and socially
at least that's what all the data i've seen so far suggested

I´m not aware of a good powerful study about it but you would guess there is a lot of confounders that would make assess that really hard - I would guess there is a lot of less blacks being homeschooled for example, a lot less kids from broken up homes (dysgenic parents), etc... - but we know student quality matter way more than anything regarding academic achievement.
Socially I´d guess there is an even bigger selection bias.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

And as an aside, yesterday I went down a weird path looking at homeschooling information and mandatory reporting, and there was a TON of slightly odd stuff about keeping your kids away from government, when not to report questionable stuff, debates over whether there should ever be any required contact with mandatory reporters or how to avoid it or make an argument against it. Creepy af.

Keeping kids isolated and away from mandatory reporters, or just “outsiders” or non-believers in general, is a big allure for a certain home school demographic for very bad reasons. I know saying it makes some people here angry but there are plenty of home schoolers parents with very bad, misguided or crazy intentions.

The Turpin family in California got that state to reconsider the almost non-existent home school oversight in that state. Crazy Christian family keeping

PL

Spoiler

I remember a decade ago looking up homeschooling requirements in my state thanks to a weird conversation I had with an office building janitor when I was working late. The guy was creepy but always wanted to chat. He told me about his wife leaving him and how he was raising his 3 kids at home with his mother. He bragged they homeschooled them and the only book they had was the Bible. His told me “my pastor said it was the best home school you could get” or something along those lines. I was sort of shocked this creepy, definitely dumb, guy could keep his kids at home and only teach them the Bible - sounded like the movie Carrie with no public school massacre option. It was concerning enough that I looked up info and found what he was doing was probably totally legal. The state did require a “yearly assessment” but then I recalled a girl I knew when I was a teenager who didn’t go to high school and her mom just filled in those assessments for her. As a teenager I remember thinking it was cool she didn’t have to go to school, looking back on it it’s because her home life was fucked. Only 16 year old I knew who’s thrice divorced mom let her alcoholic 20 year old boyfriend live in her bedroom.

 

[Law]

which one? also have you played FrostPunk

Are you excited for Forever Winter?

pretty sure that american home school kids perform significantly better than american public school kids, both academically and socially

Goddamn those 13 Turpin children, bringing down our average.

 

[Law]

I know saying it makes some people here angry but there are plenty of home schoolers parents with very bad, misguided or crazy intentions.

Look, the cocaine in those public schools is mostly baby laxatives and baking powder. By keeping our kids at home, they can have access to the finest, shade-grown, hand-cut, pure, organic, Colombian cocaine.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

I know saying it makes some people here angry but there are plenty of home schoolers parents with very bad, misguided or crazy intentions.

Except that certain assholes make out that this constitutes the majority of homeschooling parents or those who’d prefer to be. It’s such a persistent trope and the intellectual laziness of it reinforces why so many people want their kids to learn how to think instead of being told what to think.

I’m not even a Christian and find it disturbing what many parents teach their kids religiously. But it’s still their right to do so and I’m much more disturbed by the absolute poison being taught as gospel to kids in public schools. I don’t even mean the more recent CRT or gender theory insanity, as I was indoctrinated into a typical NPC political outlook even in a relatively conservative community.

If I had to guess, Nick and Kayla picked homeschooling primarily because they didn’t want to put their kids on a schedule and commit to being out the door before 8AM five days a week.

 

[Chazzed Up]

Except that certain assholes make out that this constitutes the majority of homeschooling parents or those who’d prefer to be. It’s such a persistent trope and the intellectual laziness of it reinforces why so many people want their kids to learn how to think instead of being told what to think.

I’m not even a Christian and find it disturbing what many parents teach their kids religiously. But it’s still their right to do so and I’m much more disturbed by the absolute poison being taught as gospel to kids in public schools. I don’t even mean the more recent CRT or gender theory insanity, as I was indoctrinated into a typical NPC political outlook even in a relatively conservative community.

If I had to guess, Nick and Kayla picked homeschooling primarily because they didn’t want to put their kids on a schedule and commit to being out the door before 8AM five days a week.

I went to shitty public school myself but I do not believe most parents who homeschool are giving their kids a better experience. It seems like a good chunk of it is either extremely religious folks (like LDS type) who don't want their kids exposed to anything at all outside of their cult, or lazy parents like Nick and Kayla. Or sovereign citizen types.

I'm not going to PL too hard about it but I worked at a homeschooling cooperative once and the people were fucking weird, and there were molestation accusations at one point because part of that education structure is to take your kids to a bunch of strangers to receive various lessons.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

I do not believe

TFS

I'm not going to PL too hard about it but I worked at a homeschooling cooperative once and the people were fucking weird, and there were molestation accusations at one point because part of that education structure is to take your kids to a bunch of strangers to receive various lessons.

Wow that all sounds so different from public schools.

 

[Chazzed Up]

Wow that all sounds so different from public schools.

Which would make sense since I'm saying it isn't necessarily better, not that it's worse.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

Which would make sense since I'm saying it isn't necessarily better, not that it's worse.

No one said it was “necessarily better,” so I’m not sure who you were arguing with there.

 

[Law]

I went to shitty public school myself but I do not believe most parents who homeschool are giving their kids a better experience.

Children who were homeschooled do have higher graduation rates than children in public schools (this is very funny to me - imagine dropping out of school when school is in your house) and score slightly better on standardized tests, so I'm assuming enough homeschool parents are good at their jobs to balance out the Nicks of the world.
I do think it's possible that Nick and Kayla did homeschooling because they didn't want to bother with getting up early for the school run. To Nick, "muh beeg happeh chrischun fambleh" was just a trinket for his narc-horde, he doesn't actually give a shit.

 

[IDF]

I went to shitty public school myself but I do not believe most parents who homeschool are giving their kids a better experience.

Keyword went. You have no idea how bad things got, and how quickly, in public schools. Even in red states it's absolutely grim. It's an assembly line. Not sure what they are assembling but it ain't good, well educated citizens. Even just trying to keep iPads/tablets out of your grade schoolers hands is a giant battle. Public schools are really, really bad and it happened in a blink of an eye.

 

[Chazzed Up]

No one said it was “necessarily better,” so I’m not sure who you were arguing with there.

I guess I misunderstood your meaning in 'disturbing religious indoctrination is better than CRT'. Personally I think it's better in both cases to give children at least some small freedom to form their own ideas, since isolating them generally leads people to leave the church once they're old enough.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

If I had to guess, Nick and Kayla picked homeschooling primarily because they didn’t want to put their kids on a schedule and commit to being out the door before 8AM five days a week.

This is what I think too. Just adhering to a schedule is too much for some people and Nick and Kayla seem like those people. One of the reasons teachers in our county get nervous about submitting truancy reports is it can result in a parent suddenly deciding to “home school” and then the kid is even more disadvantaged.

I know three families that did/do awesome homeschooling for their kids. Superb. Two non-religious parents that did it for different reasons. Super smart kids that all became successful adults. The one I know currently doing it is Christian and it’s her full time job. She takes it very seriously and I’m sure her son will thrive. He’s super bright and she is very motivated.

Unfortunately they are the minority in my personal experience. I know of many other cases where it was a shitshow and left kids ill equipped for life. It takes a lot of personal discipline, devotion and time to home school. Sort of how lots of people want to run their own business, but far fewer have the discipline and motivation to do it successfully.

As for the public school political indoctrination? I think that’s easily overcome as long as parents are active in their kids lives. It’s lack of engagement and laziness if kids just unquestioningly accepts what’s presented to them and adopt those views. Then again I grew up in a household where every opinion had to be defended and held up to scrutiny which I didn’t realize was unusual until I was an adult.

 

[PixarsTedKennedy]

As for the public school political indoctrination? I think that’s easily overcome as long as parents are active in their kids lives. It’s lack of engagement and laziness if kids just unquestioningly accepts what’s presented to them and adopt those views.

The only issue is how the kids become ostracized for not accepting those beliefs. I haven't been in school for a long time, but I would assume that not accepting some faggy book about how to butt fuck other guys gets you called a racist homophobe.

 

[Law]

Nick says 5 kids are awful, but SIX?!

Nick, I guarantee you, condoms are less uncomfortable than child support payments.

The only issue is how the kids become ostracized for not accepting those beliefs.

Yeah, the kids who unquestionably did whatever the teacher told them sure were popular. Teenagers always think going along with authority makes you cool.