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[Pliskin_72]

I mean it would be impressive if it actually used it properly and not 24/7.
Again it feels like they're trying to cram as much lore into each episode as possible without caring about flow or how it comes across to the viewer.
It might even seem somewhat confusing at times.

The difference between FNAF and MD though is that MD is a show whereas FNAF is a game series. You can get away with this kind of stuff in an interactive media where players are expected to be looking for that kind of stuff. It doesn't work as well imo in a show.
The average viewer, which is probably going to be most of your viewerbase at first isn't going to be micro analyzing every frame for the tiniest crumb of lore. They're going to be paying attention to what's happening on screen, what characters are saying or doing, ect.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is it's not really a super good method of dispensing lore in this context. I get the idea, but yeah imo it doesn't come across as well as it could have. Like most things with the show it feels misguided.

running defense of MD's story (again), does this method of storytelling have flaws?, yes of course, it does get too fast but i still dont think thats a valid criticism in a horror-comedy, but it is a quite unique way of storytelling, going beyond the traditional way media gets presented to people, and it deserves to get some praise for that

to reiterate, Murder Drones is not a conventional media project, its story and tone goes all over the place, because that what Liam thinks is cool and epic, and it doesn't have to take itself seriously, it's characters are inconsistent because funny, and the way it tells the plot is unusual, this is why people who get to enjoy this often have to switch a certain mindset to truly like it

 

[Dynamite Bean]

I get what you're trying to say but I don't think it's quite the defense you think it is and if anything it makes me think I should never look into anything liam has made ever

I get you're passionate that's fine we all are about something but I don't think anything you say is going to change my mind because once more, if all this is required to enjoy something, why should I even bother especially when i'm not getting anything out of it? if I want characters then i can just look at the fandom side of things, if i want the atmosphere there's other things I can enjoy

all this feels like the exact defense helluva boss fans run to defend their shitty melodrama gay fujo show "nnn-no it's SUPPOSE to be like that!!!"

 

[Bob Barbas]

to reiterate, Murder Drones is not a conventional media project, its story and tone goes all over the place, because that what Liam thinks is cool and epic, and it doesn't have to take itself seriously, it's characters are inconsistent because funny, and the way it tells the plot is unusual, this is why people who get to enjoy this often have to switch a certain mindset to truly like it

Honestly at this point your argument just boils down to "It sucks because it's supposed to suck and that's alright!"

Which again, sure. If that was his goal then he definitely succeeded. Still doesn't make it less of a dumpster fire simply because he made the dumpster fire on purpose.

 

[Metallic Blood]

You see why I'm saying you shouldn't bother questioning the plot anymore?, in the mind of the writer, funny meming will always take precedence over consistency, and as a result, Murder Drones turned into a giant wackfest of fun

My reply was towards the question why people love Murder Drone's plot, and yeah, I agree.

But like the thing is:

and also the humor, obviously, I know that turns off a lot of people, but I find it endearing, it's the same energy as a lot of those animated internet videos you see on NG and YT

I dunno. about that... Like, I lreally love me a good NG animation, and while Murder Drones sorta reminds me of that, it's doesn't even come close to the wackyness of those old videos. It's not like your asdfmovies, or even your Youtube Poops.

In fact, most of its humor reminds me a lot of Invader Zim, in how mudane and dry its dark concepts can be (my favorite episode being that one where Zim kidnaps children and harvests their organs to appear more "human", and I believe the nurse even says "Wow, you're so healthy that you have multiples of the same organ!"), and I can see that Murder Drones attemps to do that, but it just doesn't work, because it changes its tone too drastically and too often. I either hate half of the series for being too wacky, or I hate half of the series for being too serious (for a humor that's not even that good.)

(And don't even get me started on comparing it to Freedom Planet with its total tone whiplashes, I already compared MD to probably every single form of media I ever experienced and I'm not sure if I can go on anymore)

 

[Bob Barbas]

I dunno. about that... Like, I lreally love me a good NG animation, and while Murder Drones sorta reminds me of that, it's doesn't even come close to the wackyness of those old videos. It's not like your asdfmovies, or even your Youtube Poops.

You know it's funny you say that because I thought the same thing oddly enough.
Murder Drones on the surface reminds me of one of those old Newgrounds series. Only it's missing some vital component that makes me enjoy it.

Again, I feel like it's Liam's scatterbrained writing that's the issue. If the show simply chose something and dedicated to it, it could probably be pretty alright.
But again, the problem is the show wants to be everything at once and it just isn't working out.

And if this is simply Liam's "Style" like the other guy is insisting then... I feel like the only people he's going to be appealing to are autistic millennials with ADHD or something.

 

[Pliskin_72]

I feel like the only people he's going to be appealing to are autistic millennials with ADHD or something.

to be blunt?

yeah...yeah you hit the nail on the head there, the style is inherently autistic i won't deny that

Since there's nothing else I can do to convince you all to still like it in some way, I'd probably go back to lurking here periodically, we may have disagreed a lot, in many aspects, but the discussion here remained civil regardless, it's quite nice to just say what I think of the show without being told that i'm just trolling

 

[Metallic Blood]

Since there's nothing else I can do to convince you all to still like it in some way, I'd probably go back to lurking here periodically, we may have disagreed a lot, in many aspects, but the discussion here remained civil regardless, it's quite nice to just say what I think of the show without being told that i'm just trolling

Welcome to the farms lad! We might tell you to kill yourself, but ironically, we tend to respect each other's opinions pretty well (besides politics... we are not civil in that regard)

Oh well, see ya when Episode 8 releases!

 

[Bob Barbas]

I'll probably at least watch Episode 8 just to say I finished the entire first season and still didn't enjoy it.

If Season 2 does happen however I might watch one or two episodes just on the off chance Liam actually improves his game. But I won't hold my breath. If it's the same as last time then I'll probably just move on to something else.

 

[BigJoey41X]

I'll probably at least watch Episode 8 just to say I finished the entire first season and still didn't enjoy it.

If Season 2 does happen however I might watch one or two episodes just on the off chance Liam actually improves his game. But I won't hold my breath. If it's the same as last time then I'll probably just move on to something else.

for me I'm staying all the way purely for the bile fascination, mostly as a framework of what NOT to do when writing a lore-driven show, also there's that circus show that's going to run for at least the next 2 years to look forward to, I actually truly enjoyed that, it has potential.

99% chance season 2 is probably informally approved by now, MD is featured very prominently on their general promo material, I see no reason to waste a still decently popular IP for a budding small company like Glitch, not to mention causing a chunk of their viewers to leave permanently, season 1 still feels like its nowhere near done with one more episode remaining

 

[Metallic Blood]

for me I'm staying all the way purely for the bile fascination, mostly as a framework of what NOT to do when writing a lore-driven show, also there's that circus show that's going to run for at least the next 2 years to look forward to, I actually truly enjoyed that, it has potential.

99% chance season 2 is probably informally approved by now, MD is featured very prominently on their general promo material, I see no reason to waste a still decently popular IP for a budding small company like Glitch, not to mention causing a chunk of their viewers to leave permanently, season 1 still feels like its nowhere near done with one more episode remaining

I really hope that TADC doesn't follow MD's footsteps and start becoming to become worse by the third episode, which is not likely since the plot actually shows a ressemblance of consistency, but man, I would be sad if it happened.

This thread also made me appreciate how much I actually enjoyed the first 2 episodes of Murder Drones and wished they followed its writing structure instead of... whatever is going on right now. Who knows, maybe if season 1 is really just a set-up for season 2, then maybe it could actually become good when it turns out to be more consistent. A man can dream though.

(And also made me realize how little there is to talk about the other 3 shows, like does anyone here really care about Meta Runner? or Sunset Paradise?)

 

[Bob Barbas]

(And also made me realize how little there is to talk about the other 3 shows, like does anyone here really care about Meta Runner? or Sunset Paradise?)

Saw how long Meta Runner was and just didn't bother. Maybe one day I'll find the time.
Watched Sunset Paradise though.
It was alright.

 

[Stuckinatoaster]

to be blunt?

yeah...yeah you hit the nail on the head there, the style is inherently autistic i won't deny that

Since there's nothing else I can do to convince you all to still like it in some way, I'd probably go back to lurking here periodically, we may have disagreed a lot, in many aspects, but the discussion here remained civil regardless, it's quite nice to just say what I think of the show without being told that i'm just trolling

In reality, you can't convince someone to like something. Not everyone can like the same things and with MD, Nobody is obligated to like it because there are various pieces that you like. Not trying to be an ass but in all honesty, I never watched it and don't like it myself because of the bits I have seen or the fan base with its creepy obsession with the skinned girl.

Welcome to the farms lad! We might tell you to kill yourself, but ironically, we tend to respect each other's opinions pretty well (besides politics... we are not civil in that regard)

Oh well, see ya when Episode 8 releases!

Couldn't be put better than this. We all have opinions and they all fucking reek like that assholes we have on our backsides but a fart is a fart. We move on.

 

[BigJoey41X]

This thread also made me appreciate how much I actually enjoyed the first 2 episodes of Murder Drones and wished they followed its writing structure instead of... whatever is going on right now.

Really?, I have always found MD to be very bad since the very start, the incessant lame attempts to be super self aware about writing tropes, the extremely unlikeable characters that often act like they are inside of those parody animations, and of course the blankface-inducing humor, no matter how many times it tries to be "darker" in the later episodes can really fix how shit the whole experience is

 

[Bob Barbas]

Really?, I have always found MD to be very bad since the very start, the incessant lame attempts to be super self aware about writing tropes, the extremely unlikeable characters that often act like they are inside of those parody animations, and of course the blankface-inducing humor, no matter how many times it tries to be "darker" in the later episodes can really fix how shit the whole experience is

Exactly this. Now if the show stuck to its guns and was just a memefest the whole way through it'd be more forgivable. At least then my only complaint would be that it was unfunny.
The problem is Liam seemingly decided at random to start trying, keyword, TRYING and failing to make the storyline "Serious" again, one of my biggest complaints with something like Red Vs Blue. You can't just take characters designed to be vehicles for jokes and try to place them in some dahk and griddy storyline. It's just not going to work.

 

[BigJoey41X]

Exactly this. Now if the show stuck to its guns and was just a memefest the whole way through it'd be more forgivable. At least then my only complaint would be that it was unfunny.
The problem is Liam seemingly decided at random to start trying, keyword, TRYING and failing to make the storyline "Serious" again, one of my biggest complaints with something like Red Vs Blue. You can't just take characters designed to be vehicles for jokes and try to place them in some dahk and griddy storyline. It's just not going to work.

lol imagine if you put the characters from the simpsons into a gritty crime drama storyline, the results will probably be just as messy

I know writing people was never his highest priority but anyone else noticed how half-assed the character development have been this whole time?, lets see

- Uzi goes from: angry annoying goth girl to slightly less annoying goth girl (now with superpowers!)
- N stays a submissive doormat of a Drone for the entire runtime aside from a couple outbursts, seriously this guy has always felt like he's just following whatever V and Uzi are doing, and very rarely acts on anything else
- V changes to psychotic woman that constantly wants to kill everyone to someone that sacrifices herself, giving up on the love of her life (N) so he and Uzi can get together and save the world and shit (this switch happens in between ep 5 and 6 lmao), its implied that she has been slowly regretting her decisions to stay closed off and hostile to N over time, which is why that happened

these are the major characters btw, I also got to mention some of the side characters are even worse
- J...did not change one bit at all, probably because she has very little screentime to begin with, she has gotten so comically shafted its a meme in the community
- Khan has decided to man up...for some reason, out of the blue after being irrelevant since the pilot and continuing to block Uzi's attempts to figure out the spooky mystery stuff after that
- Lizzy and Thad also has decided to join in the fight after 7 episodes of being mostly dead weight to the plot, its implied that V has sent some messages to her phone that might lead to something(?), with the other guy coming in as well for reasons yet unknown(despite these two never interacting prior what the fuck?)
- Doll doesnt have an arc, she stayed alone and bitter to everyone else post episode 3 until she dies, she's actually the most consistent character

like storytelling in general, anyone can make a character arc, but it takes some skill and meticulousness to execute it properly, all of these attempts are either underwhelming, and/or happened in the background, V's development is technically the best one out of these, since it's relatively subtle and slowly built up, but she spends way too much time being an asshole, not enough for me to gain sympathy when she finally does something good, making her entire arc feeling limp

 

[Bob Barbas]

- N stays a submissive doormat of a Drone for the entire runtime aside from a couple outbursts, seriously this guy has always felt like he's just following whatever V and Uzi are doing, and very rarely acts on anything else
- V changes to psychotic woman that constantly wants to kill everyone to someone that sacrifices herself, giving up on the love of her life (N) so he and Uzi can get together and save the world and shit (this switch happens in between ep 5 and 6 lmao), its implied that she has been slowly regretting her decisions to stay closed off and hostile to N over time, which is why that happened

Apparently according to something floating around which I assume is either from an AmA with Liam or maybe even Glitch Inn behind the scenes stuff. Apparently originally N and V were meant to be the two main characters and all the other worker drones were just background characters.

- J...did not change one bit at all, probably because she has very little screentime to begin with, she has gotten so comically shafted its a meme in the community

Which also explains why J feels like such an after thought. Because she probably was.

But yeah, and in my opinion they didn't even really give good reasoning for why V had such a sudden change of character either. Which again doesn't help things.
I still firmly believe Episode 5 was a humongous wasted opportunity to delve more into their past and give us more reason to care about her as a character.
We should've gotten to know the "real" V more than the current psycho killer robot V. Maybe then I might have given an ounce of a fuck. Hell, they could've gotten us to give a shit about J too if they wanted to. But instead they all get next to no screen time.

- Doll doesnt have an arc, she stayed alone and bitter to everyone else post episode 3 until she dies, she's actually the most consistent character

Actually no, for whatever reason she suddenly cares and wants to help Uzi after finding out she's also infected with the Solver. Despite the fact she was literally just slaughtering everyone like the episode before including random bystanders.

- Lizzy and Thad also has decided to join in the fight after 7 episodes of being mostly dead weight to the plot, its implied that V has sent some messages to her phone that might lead to something(?), with the other guy coming in as well for reasons yet unknown(despite these two never interacting prior what the fuck?)

It also kind of annoys me how it's heavily implied Lizzy knew Doll was killing people and possibly even assisted her in doing so yet it's never addressed at all.

- Khan has decided to man up...for some reason, out of the blue after being irrelevant since the pilot and continuing to block Uzi's attempts to figure out the spooky mystery stuff after that

The weird thing is that apparently according to one of those old AmAs Khan was originally going to be a villain which is weird to think about.

- Uzi goes from: angry annoying goth girl to slightly less annoying goth girl (now with superpowers!)
- N stays a submissive doormat of a Drone for the entire runtime aside from a couple outbursts, seriously this guy has always felt like he's just following whatever V and Uzi are doing, and very rarely acts on anything else

They also grow comically attached to eachother super quickly despite only knowing eachother for at max a couple of days.
Now granted I guess it KIND of makes sense since it's not like V and J were good friends to him or anything. They both treated him like garbage just for different reasons.
Honestly J just having a hateboner for N is kind of silly to me now. It makes way more sense in the context of it just being a gag or a joke. But now I feel like it should've been justified in some manner. Now it just feels like she hates him for no real reason. If the show had stayed focused on comedy then it would just be that, a joke. Now it feels like an unexplained character trait. Like, it feels like we as viewers are missing some context.

 

[Metallic Blood]

Really?, I have always found MD to be very bad since the very start, the incessant lame attempts to be super self aware about writing tropes, the extremely unlikeable characters that often act like they are inside of those parody animations, and of course the blankface-inducing humor, no matter how many times it tries to be "darker" in the later episodes can really fix how shit the whole experience is

Actually this reply made me watch the first two episodes again... and yeah, I want to take that statement back. I didn't remember the dialogue being this cringy, sheesh.

I do however still think that the first 2 episodes were the best, and those two same episodes is what made me look forward to watch the rest of the series, since I thought it would focus a lot more on the relationship between the worker and disassembly drones. Were they gonna join forces to take on the human masters? Were the workers gonna build a door and make the murder drones pay for it? And then they decied to go into... nothing? Every episode just feels like they pull something out of nowhere for the sake of being unexpected, it has no idea what it wants to tell and it shows.

Also I never really found the first two episodes to be a memefest... like, yeah it has that "haha look guys we're self-aware" but it did keep things a little balanced. The characters die in stupid ways and some are stupid, but at least they took death seriously, and call me names, but I actually felt a bit sad when J's tapeworm showed a hologram of Uzi's mom and killed a hologram of Uzi's father just to mess with her. It looked like it was gonna be a character-centered show but NOPE, we don't talk about that ever again.

The weird thing is that apparently according to one of those old AmAs Khan was originally going to be a villain which is weird to think about.

I actually could see it if the main conflict was about if the worker and disassembly drones should work together for a common enemy or not, Uzi wanting to unite them and Khan wanting to keep things as they are. Sadly, it never went that way, and the show just became like a weird lore-heavy but also plothole infested motion picture made by an inexperienced writer.

 

[BigJoey41X]

Apparently originally N and V were meant to be the two main characters and all the other worker drones were just background characters

This sounds, extremely fucking interesting actually, remember, V spent most of the show loathing N outwardly to keep herself distant from him, as a result their relationship there went completely cold and unresolved now that V is dead (maybe), with N only gravitating to Uzi simply because of how bad she was on him

If it was only these two, maybe the big character development would be them finding a way to eventually reconciliate.

Though he might just fumble this one too, a good idea can't stand on its own, it needs to be done right, and taking a peek from his track record...

 

[Bob Barbas]

*See new video from Glitch in my feed*
*It's just more merch shilling*

Okay jokes aside though there has literally been not a single fucking peep about Episode 8 since Episode 7 dropped 3 months ago. In fact there hasn't been any mention of it since it was delayed. (The idea that it's supposed to come out mid or late summer is a guess more or less. We have literally no idea.)
Like I'm starting to notice how hard they shill merch in-between episodes now and it's really beginning to get the noggin' jogging and makes me wonder what their budget is looking like.
I think the increased attention might be playing into it. I think Murder Drones and The Amazing Digital Circus is the first time the channel has gotten this much attention.

My theory for how Glitch is going to collapse is probably mismanagement of budget. They'll keep trying to go bigger and bigger until they burn themselves out.
Well, assuming allegations about staff members doesn't get them first.

 

[BigJoey41X]

*See new video from Glitch in my feed*
*It's just more merch shilling*

Okay jokes aside though there has literally been not a single fucking peep about Episode 8 since Episode 7 dropped 3 months ago. In fact there hasn't been any mention of it since it was delayed. (The idea that it's supposed to come out mid or late summer is a guess more or less. We have literally no idea.)
Like I'm starting to notice how hard they shill merch in-between episodes now and it's really beginning to get the noggin' jogging and makes me wonder what their budget is looking like.
I think the increased attention might be playing into it. I think Murder Drones and The Amazing Digital Circus is the first time the channel has gotten this much attention.

My theory for how Glitch is going to collapse is probably mismanagement of budget. They'll keep trying to go bigger and bigger until they burn themselves out.
Well, assuming allegations about staff members doesn't get them first.

jesus dude you got a hateboner for Glitch?, why are you praying for their downfall so badly?, I know 3 out of 4 of their shows are a miss for me but damn calm down

I actually don't want to see them collapse, the Circus show is going good so far, enough to keep tabs, and even if i liked none of their works, I wouldn't just want to wish they would fall apart, which is the case I have for Spindlehorse

anyway yeah pretty weird we havent seen any actual content since episode 2 of TADC released in may, its mostly just stuff to promote their merch and pseudo-patreon, they are probably just looking to expand their brand as far as possible, most likely to ensure the budget remains stable