Firearms Training and Practice - Focusing on skills, not gear.

[Boney]

Here's my routine if haven't been to the range in minute. I train with 22.s that are the same as my primaries; simple as. Always good to go on shoty and rifle but on carry pistol I'll always have to work on hand grip, trigger control and recoil anticipation (many such cases). I lost the link and the website might be dead but these diagnosis target's work wonders if you set your ego aside. Just search free diagnosis target's and print them out. Always be safe but try to make it fun so you get more out of your training.

Those diagnostic targets can't be debooonked enough. That particular one is pretty egregious.

 

[El President Camacho]

Those diagnostic targets can't be debooonked enough. That particular one is pretty egregious.

Not gonna turn this into a shit flinging contest. Train how you wanna train. They worked for other shooters and myself but with no proofs other than 'trust you bro' you can waste as much of your ammo as you want or get a blue gun or air soft with a laser to test it out and deboonk it, and I'll kneel.

 

[Procrastinhater]

If they only knew how many times 300 confirmed kills Spec ops (mall ninja) meme shot themselves or students

Let's recap the basics
1:

Always Keep Firearm Pointed in a Safe direction​

2:

Treat All Guns as Though They are Loaded​

3:

Keep Your Finger Off the Trigger until You are Ready to Shoot​

4:

Always Be Sure of Your Target and What’s Beyond It​

I don't care how many times someone has loaded or checked all your mags, one fuck up is all it takes. Minimizing risk used to be common sense

The very first thing you should do when you pick up any firearm is check its safe and theres not a round in the chamber. Even if you just watched someone else do the same thing, even if its your gun and you know its safe. Its just a good habit to get into, it should be an automatic action whenever you handle a gun. People might say it's unnecessary, that its over the top to do every time but I think its just a good habit to engrain. It take a few seconds and that way you know yourself everything is safe.
A lot of people have been injured or worse by a firearm that someone else told them was safe.

 

[Boney]

Not gonna turn this into a shit flinging contest. Train how you wanna train. They worked for other shooters and myself but with no proofs other than 'trust you bro' you can waste as much of your ammo as you want or get a blue gun or air soft with a laser to test it out and deboonk it, and I'll kneel.

No shit flinging. I haven't drilled a hole in my skull yet today so maybe I'm coming across as an ass when I don't mean to.

Those diagnostic targets date back to when tea cupping and flared elbows were tuaght to shooters.

Check this out.

https://blog.krtraining.com/origins-of-the-pie-chart-target/

 

[El President Camacho]

No shit flinging. I haven't drilled a hole in my skull yet today so maybe I'm coming across as an ass when I don't mean to.

Those diagnostic targets date back to when tea cupping and flared elbows were tuaght to shooters.

Check this out.

https://blog.krtraining.com/origins-of-the-pie-chart-target/

I kneeell.

 

[Boney]

I kneeell.

I'm on mobile right now. Check back later and I'll give you a whole write up about modern technique and target analysis.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

The very first thing you should do when you pick up any firearm is check its safe and theres not a round in the chamber. Even if you just watched someone else do the same thing, even if its your gun and you know its safe. Its just a good habit to get into, it should be an automatic action whenever you handle a gun. People might say it's unnecessary, that its over the top to do every time but I think its just a good habit to engrain. It take a few seconds and that way you know yourself everything is safe.
A lot have people have been injured or worse by a firearm that someone else told them was safe.

This is serious. I was once handed a loaded gun by someone who should've fucking known better. I checked it and gave them an EXTREMELY dirty look when it wasn't empty.

 

[Boney]

This is serious. I was once handed a loaded gun by someone who should've fucking known better. I checked it and gave them an EXTREMELY dirty look when it wasn't empty.

One of the reasons to do a rage saftey brief before starting. Even if everyone is following bigboy rules on the range, no one should EVER be surprised that a weapon they are handeling is hot. Brass checks on hand off and clearing before leaving a gun unattended are universal for weapons handeling regardless of proficiency.

 

[Procrastinhater]

This is serious. I was once handed a loaded gun by someone who should've fucking known better. I checked it and gave them an EXTREMELY dirty look when it wasn't empty.

Yeah it happens way more than it should.
Its just a good habit to get into, do it everytime it will become automatic. Drop the mag, rack it a few times, visually check the chamber.
I've seen a near ND where someone racked it once then dropped the magazine, instead of dropping the mag then racking it.
So they chambered a fucking round, dropped the mag and thought it was safe. Fortunately the guy with them was paying attention and caught it before something stupid happened.
Takes a few seconds to double check.
I do it even if I just watched someone else clear it immediately before.
Its automatic at this point. Better to be safe.

 

[El President Camacho]

No shit flinging. I haven't drilled a hole in my skull yet today so maybe I'm coming across as an ass when I don't mean to.

I'm on mobile right now. Check back later and I'll give you a whole write up about modern technique and target analysis.

Yeah you come off as r/guns - nu/k/ larper. Tell me you've never trained under antiquated LEO boomer's without telling me. Even my Instructor said the same shit which is why in that original post I even said website/link dead. The whole point and reason why ppl who've been in real uses of force still use them is like a placebo to make new shooters aware of the effect improper technique could have down range. I don't work for the state anymore so I can't waste all my ammo/money or would pay to hire your 3 time medal of honor deployed since they were born Range Ninja Senpi.
All I ever try to do is give affordable and practical advise for those who don't have gooberment or mommies money.
>I'll give you a whole write up about modern technique and target analysis but I'm a cancer phone poster.
Opinion disregarded

Let me guess you have to compile all your Jocko links into something that doesn't make you look like the annoying gun store clerk who tells people "I'm in the industry". I'm sure on the use of force continuum you're that guy who'll go straight to mag dump when everything could be accomplished with psychological mind fuck. (My expertise)

I was extremely luckily I never came across someone like this because you know they're to retarded or autistic to talk down. Don't be this guy; "what upper you running" " I have a BCM".
Dood; that's how I see you now and will just lol at any "advise" you give as a LARP.

Sorry O.P. don't mean to derail your thread but at the same time I can't help but to use my trolling Tourette's to state the obvious. No more replies after this; you "win" MR Boney

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

What is the reason for the YouTube video of the cops blasting some guy?

 

[El President Camacho]

when everything could be accomplished with psychological mind fuck. (My expertise)

Oh I could make lemon aide out of anything.
A) This could constitute as one of the most overlooked part of training you never (had a use of force) plep's overlook or don't know about. (De-escalation) and
The Use of Force Continuum. I don't have to make excuses "muh cell phone" to do a write up as it's drilled in my head. Depending on what your department uses it goes like this. 1. Psychological,
2. Verbal, 3. Soft empty hand, 4. Hard empty hand, 5. Intermediate, 6 Deadly.
If you're really good you'll never have to go past verbal. Psychological is always on if you look the part.

B) To elicit asshurt response from larper's. Listen to guy/sperg who got shot.
"I'm going to get my Vickers sling"
"I have a BCM"
"What upper you running"

Don't be this guy

Both in the field and mostly online you run into these types and know right away. Oh fuck he's going to Bring up Jocko or Chris Kylie and larp like he's got my back "thin blue line" and run's this many drills; " Let you tell me about that one time I almost got into the military or Law enforcement". This is reddit tier speak and someone who'll get themselves or you killed if you don't know what to look for.

C) both A and B together display's the same mindset that is used to troll is also the same tool's you can use to get into someone's head. I've done it many times IRL on duty; not to piss them off but to Deescalate .

I kneeell.

D) DDDDDDDDDD
See as a Larper He couldn't just let it go after I already was like cool.

I'll give you a whole write up about modern technique and target analysis.

See the Larper will always be like this, he did not take the opportunity to take the W thus removing all doubt which allowed me to escalate my message board response which is to call out via trolling.

E) See, I just gave you training in Psychological Use of Force while trolling. You're welcome

I was also going to message one of the staff to start a Use of Force Fail thread to post Cop Shooting vids and Monday morning quarter back De-escalation fails. But I'm not sure if there is already a thread of that somewhere else or should go into another thread and am having to much fun on the rest of this site so I keep pushing that to the side. I have to get back to the caggie, stay sexy frens

 

[Boney]

I think I'll write it up anyway for other's benefit. Try not to take it personally when it's posted.

 

[Boney]

Alrighty. So target analysis, shooter diagnostics. I am very fucking tired. Will maybe do a red dot guide next, all the sight stuff in this is all focused on irons.

Take a moment to think about the actual forces acting on the gun when firing.
1- Gravity. It is pulling the gun down, you are fighting gravity with your arm strength. Being tired of feeble will induce shaking after a short time.

2- Recoil. It drives the gun backwards against your hand, causing the muzzle to rise in a tipping fashion (guns will tip up regardless because of weight distribution). New shooters, even out of practice long time shooters, dip the gun in anticipation of, and to counteract recoil.

3- Your hands/grip. Uneven application of force from the left or right hand will steer the muzzle left or right. Uneven pressure from your fingers can tip the gun up or down.

4- Trigger finger. Your trigger pull should not drift the gun to the left or right when squeezing the trigger, which it will do without practice. You can really use whichever part of your trigger finger suites you as long as you keep a good purchase on the trigger and counteract the force exerted on the gun with your left hand.

Sight picture needs to be as such:
Both eyes open.
You focus on rear sight, front sight, and target all at once. From your perspective, the rear sight should be blurry (out of your vision's focus), the front sight clear (in your vision's focus), and the target blurry (out of your vision's focus). Saying the same thing again but shorter: Front sight is in focus, nested evenly vertically and horizontally between the rear sight posts, overlaying your point of aim on the target.

You know you have it right when as you pull the trigger, the sights stay aligned and your front sight doesn't drift or shake, and stays clear in your vision.

As promised, the target reading part:

Ten Billion hours in Paint:

Blue and Red:
Frequently I see new shooters impact low, left, and with a large group on a target. This as a combination of poor trigger control, grip strength distribution, and sight alignment and focus.

Red:
Our starting point for correction is always recoil anticipation when seeing this blend of malfunctions. Sometimes this is cured as simply as having them do a mag dump, but usually by incorporating dry fire between live rounds. Many instructors have their own preferred methods or well known exercises for dealing with recoil anticipation, most of them work.

Green:
Particularly on many Glocks which typically have a white dot painted on the front sight, you will see the shooters slightly tip the gun up to align the dot with the rear sights instead of the top of the front sight post. This results in shooting high. It doesn't only happen with Glocks, its a natural tendency to get a full picture of the object you are focusing on. But the very base of your front sight typically is occluded some by the bottom of the rear. Correct this by ensuring you have an even (and centered) front sight post with your rear sight posts.

Yellow:
Having the front sight out of focus, or drifting in and out of focus will result in a group centered on the target, or to the left or right depending on what other shit they are getting wrong, but with shots landing somewhat evenly all over it. Also caused by inconsistent/misunderstanding/forgetting alignment with the rear sight. Easily fixed with dry fire and presentation drills, which you will be doing ad infinitum to git gud. These scatterings all over paper are also an indicator a shooting is getting tired, mentally or physically. For training purposes its good to take a break when starting. Later on shooting even while you can hardly keep the gun up is some worth while training, but only because pushing yourself to achieve consistency helps build consistency, you might not be there yet.

Blue:
Trigger pull is corrected by two means: Consistency, and consistency. A consistent manner in which you pull the trigger (pressure applied, finger position on the trigger, good reset) and a consistent amount of support hand pressure being applied to the gun as the trigger is pulled. Again, dry fire as much as possible and try to do it the same way, the right way, every time. Typically poor trigger pull results in groups shifting left in right handed shooters, sometimes people death grip their guns and it can bring it to the right. Trigger pull issues usually cause horizontal shifts in groups, but not always. Slapping the trigger (taking your finger off the trigger between shots) will often pull the gun left, down, and open a group up.

Note:
A combination of factors will result in your groups blending these color coded results as far as where you are actually grouping on the target.

About all I can muster to write right now. I'm going to bed.

 

[El President Camacho]

Pro-Tip: Literally everyone uses the same training Manual's because Fed & State regulations require it. Don't get over Charged/ripped off by your local grifter who claims their Training is different because they added whatever to justify how much they are charging when for the last 20 years It's all from the same S.O.P. that you could get Free.

 

[Procrastinhater]

was also going to message one of the staff to start a Use of Force Fail thread to post Cop Shooting vids and Monday morning quarter back De-escalation fails. But I'm not sure if there is already a thread of that somewhere else or should go into another thread

That sounds like a good idea. Theres a watch people die thread but its general, theres cop shootings but its full of shit like Chinese industrial accidents and fucking car wrecks so they get buried.
A Use of Force Fail Thread sounds good.
Theres a load of both good and bad shoots, comparing them sounds fun.

Whats the context with the drunk that got lit up in the woods?
Seemed like they lit him up quick, he raised the barrel but it didn't look like he was gonna shoot, he was just moving.
That said that was tense, I wouldn't want to take risks either but then I've never been a cop, I've never had to chase a guy through the woods and talk him down or take him down.

 

[Boney]

"Pro-Tip: Literally everyone uses the same training Manual's because Fed & State regulations require it."

That is patently untrue. While the fundamentals of shooting are universal, training manuals and technique vary wildly in quality and style, especially between different LE agencies.

The difference between training techniques between armed services varies a ton as well. The difference even between Marine Corps and Army marksmanship training is pretty drastic, not just in quality of the coaches but the actual drills and coaching techniques as well.

 

[El President Camacho]

That sounds like a good idea. Theres a watch people die thread but its general, theres cop shootings but its full of shit like Chinese industrial accidents and fucking car wrecks so they get buried.
A Use of Force Fail Thread sounds good.
Theres a load of both good and bad shoots, comparing them sounds fun.

Whats the context with the drunk that got lit up in the woods?
Seemed like they lit him up quick, he raised the barrel but it didn't look like he was gonna shoot, he was just moving.
That said that was tense, I wouldn't want to take risks either but then I've never been a cop, I've never had to chase a guy through the woods and talk him down or take him down.

I think his GF or Sister worked for the department and she did something to make him sperg out.

 

[El President Camacho]

While the fundamentals of shooting are universal

You Played yourself

Don't get over Charged/ripped off by your local grifter who claims their Training is different

Those of us who got paid to train (on the clock) don't get to choose our instructor's. We have to make lemon aide. Those of you who got grifted or are larping can waste as much time and money as you please. Simple question you know I already know the answer to. Ever been in a real life of death fight? All that shit goes out the window and all that remains is the fundamentals which is why they are universal

Stop shiting up the thread r/guns. Why didn't you come into the thread with your write up prepared as starter? If you really mind numbingly trained as some us had to it would've been committed to memory and you wouldn't need to take so long to state what a lot of us already know. Though is was alright for No Gunz because I trolled you to make it so (you're welcome) Why did you wait until there was something you could Deeebooonk just to let us know, you know what's correct? As I've stated I've come across your types many a times online and can't help myself form getting lolz at your expense so long as you reply to me. You could ignore my post and I the same but it's just too funny.

Don't take it personal kid, I never do. There's no way you could've known you would've encountered one of the most effective trolls in the sektor who has used his asshole skills on Duty to great effect. I have since moved on and get paid to do the laziest details ever (I'm allowed to bring my personal laptop to stay awake-lazy) I have former colleagues who also left because of policy changes and want me to help with training classes but I know better than to deal with the likes of you or rip ppl off with something that should be fun and free (BYOA). When the real shit goes down you'll fuck up, get yourself or your battle buddy hurt. Read the rules on any forum header,

• Be civil. You will never change somebody's opinion by being a dick.
• Hide your powerlevel. Always be careful about what you post online.
• Don't cause trouble. Everybody hates the government. We already know, and so do they
• https://kiwifarms.st/threads/autistic-thunderdome-rules-2022.126681/

You're not going to change mine or anyone's opinions when they notice the way certain npc's post. I already said you win, and you "win" again. You have the greatest training and knowledge we know. Just Ignore/ bock my posts as I've said trolling is also side hobby of mine and I prefer to do it on other sites as this place should be a refuge from the rest of the cancer. Alas we can't escape the Ackchyully-Ackchyully of phone posters

 

[Boney]

I'm not going to block you. Your boomeresque dunning krueger schizo postings act as a good foil to push good information out while squashing misconceptions and bad advice, regardless of if playing a character or not.

You come across as a fat retard NRA/DCJS grifter instructor who was a beat cop for X number of years. Many people who think they can teach or shoot fall short of the mark compared to people who never rest on their luarels and put a smudge of discipline into learning rather than showing off.