Firearms Training and Practice - Focusing on skills, not gear.

[El President Camacho]

You come across as a fat retard NRA/DCJS grifter instructor who was a beat cop for X number of years. Many people who think they can teach or shoot fall short of the mark compared to people who never rest on their luarels and put a smudge of discipline into learning rather than showing off.

Self awareness ZERO. Many such cases Hey boomer, did you know you can change your profile pic. You really outed yourself on that as well..

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Just a couple of tips I’ve learned through the years. If you’re (right handed) and shooting to the left with a pistol you can either break your right thumb off the pistol to loosen your trigger hand and lessen flinching and raise your left elbow a bit higher to drive your support hand more into the frame of the pistol.

A bad habit I’ve been trying to break from with follow up shots is when I’m tired and worried about time my form slacks and instead of driving my elbow up and loosening my thumb off I’ll just aim more right to hit the target on a stage.

 

[Procrastinhater]

If anyone is interested in getting into 3 Gun this is a pretty good video from a beginners perspective, a lot of videos are by sponsored pros and they jump right in expecting you to have some experience and it can be bewildering for guys first starting. This guys talks through his first experience.

Its a real fun hobby that teaches you real world skills, a lot of people get put off when they see guys running set ups that cost thousands but you really don't need that to get into it and have fun. If you find you like it then you can look into the more high end gear, and tinkering with triggers, mag wells, all that fun stuff.
Best advice I can give is find out where theres one local to you and have look out there, you'll find people there are happy to talk to new guys and help them out.
This was a pretty basic course, but you never know how they're gonna be set up, plenty of different courses and scenarios to keep you sharp and train different environments. You get anything from a basic set up like the top video with the beginner right up to crazy shit like the Duskin Memorial shoot they have at Ft Bragg which is more physically demanding.

Jerry is the best, he's a real gentleman and a legend in the sport.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

If anyone is interested in getting into 3 Gun this is a pretty good video from a beginners perspective, a lot of videos are by sponsored pros and they jump right in expecting you to have some experience and it can be bewildering for guys first starting. This guys talks through his first experience.

Its a real fun hobby that teaches you real world skills, a lot of people get put off when they see guys running set ups that cost thousands but you really don't need that to get into it and have fun. If you find you like it then you can look into the more high end gear, and tinkering with triggers, mag wells, all that fun stuff.
Best advice I can give is find out where theres one local to you and have look out there, you'll find people there are happy to talk to new guys and help them out.
This was a pretty basic course, but you never know how they're gonna be set up, plenty of different courses and scenarios to keep you sharp and train different environments. You get anything from a basic set up like the top video with the beginner right up to crazy shit like the Duskin Memorial shoot they have at Ft Bragg which is more physically demanding.

Jerry is the best, he's a real gentleman and a legend in the sport.

A local match near me has modified the rules and become “multi gun” basically you can shoot the whole match with pistol only or pistol rifle or pistol shotgun. Makes the match more appealing. I’ve shot the whole match with my EDC pistol and holster

 

[Procrastinhater]

A local match near me has modified the rules and become “multi gun” basically you can shoot the whole match with pistol only or pistol rifle or pistol shotgun. Makes the match more appealing. I’ve shot the whole match with my EDC pistol and holster

The USPSA Multi gun matches are some of the most fun I've had. I usually stick to Open because its got the most generous rules about set ups but any of them can be fun.
What puts most people off is looking at the pros and thinking you need rigs worth thousands to compete but you really don't need all that. I have some tricked out platforms but I just do it for fun and to stay sharp. Some of the guys I go with just take their EDC and what they have at home. Its neat to talk to some of the guys with sponsors and see all the fancy stuff but you don't need it.
The main thing is the things it teaches, target aquisition, fast mag changes, fire and movement, dealing with adrenaline and tiredness, and in all weathers, are great fun and great training, way better than just standing at a static range plinking targets.
Thats fun too but its not the same.
I'm under no illusions that doing good at 3 Gun means you're some Meal Team 6 Elite Ooperator, but its great training and a lot of fun.

 

[RoaryTheDinosaur]

I’ve shot the whole match with my EDC pistol and holster

I'm of the mindset that you should carry whatever pistol you shoot the best which is why i compete with my carry gun and in my carry setup. USPSA allowing appendix was a godsend. Sometimes if the range doesnt allow for appendix then I use a lvl 3 holster instead to give myself a kind of time penalty that concealment would

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

I'm of the mindset that you should carry whatever pistol you shoot the best which is why i compete with my carry gun and in my carry setup. USPSA allowing appendix was a godsend. Sometimes if the range doesnt allow for appendix then I use a lvl 3 holster instead to give myself a kind of time penalty that concealment would

I agree. I only shoot my EDC handgun. I have two of them. One for carry, one for training.

I run my rifle in a practical “fighting” configuration, not gamer optimized

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Best advice I can give is find out where theres one local to you and have look out there, you'll find people there are happy to talk to new guys and help them out.

I just want to add signing up on practiscore is the easiest place to find matches in your area. Most places won’t check IDs so if you’re worried about doxing you can just sign up under a fake name and during roll call just remember you’re that person.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I agree. I only shoot my EDC handgun. I have two of them. One for carry, one for training.

I run my rifle in a practical “fighting” configuration, not gamer optimized

I used my EDC for years, a Sig P226.
I picked up a CZ Shadow 2 last year that I've tricked out a bit just for competitions, I've got a flared mag well and a 2 1/2 pound trigger on it, getting the action tuned, stuff like that, that flared mag well I didn't want on my EDC, and its fun to have a specialized race gun that I can play with, but I still run a lot of courses with my EDC just because its good practice, I do shoots for fun but its also to stay sharp with my carry.

 

[RoaryTheDinosaur]

I used my EDC for years, a Sig P226.
I picked up a CZ Shadow 2 last year that I've tricked out a bit just for competitions, I've got a flared mag well and a 2 1/2 pound trigger on it, getting the action tuned, stuff like that, that flared mag well I didn't want on my EDC, and its fun to have a specialized race gun that I can play with, but I still run a lot of courses with my EDC just because its good practice, I do shoots for fun but its also to stay sharp with my carry.

a lot transfers over and its not like a GM with a shadow 2 will suddenly be a D class shooter with a glock 19. But I would recommend everybody who carries to shoot at least one competition to see how they stack and hopefully get humbled and realize they need to practice

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I was reading in Nool's swamp defense thread about the importance of being able to shoot under stress, so I've been trying to do a couple shots of dry fire in between kettlebell swings.

It's definitely an interesting experience.

 

[El President Camacho]

Many people who think they can teach or shoot fall short of the mark compared to people who never rest on their luarels and put a smudge of discipline into learning rather than showing off.

Self Awareness Zero: Just regurgitating you know who.

Ever heard the saying those that can do, those that can't teach? Here's another to let sink in.
(They speak of "This Dojo" and "That Dojo", they are looking for profit) - Miyamoto Musashi: Book of Five Rings, Book of the Earth/Ground. As a redditer somebody is seeking updoots or karma for validation.

When he started doing this my Larper sense was activated. They always know what's best and can't wait to let everyone know like a vegan. They get away with this shit on r/guns or nu/k/, so I had to let him know where he really is. The (head) game is on. I do things in threes; so I set him up while imparting info that other's can look into also knowing he couldn't help but to be him; I.E. baiting. This is where I started to get into his/your head.

It was already funny but it gets better.


This is where I attempted to let him know I knew what he was up to. Should have taken the W when I gave it to him but as I knew he had no idea I already knew what kind of NPC he was but sometimes they chill.

He proceeds to make a retard version of what he already said was Deeooonked . Note the reddit spacing and use of gpt to edit.
I was already two steps ahead before the call out post. Which is why I posted a real target analysis and the free manual that whoever "trained" him got their info from while also baiting again to piss him off

NNNOOOOO don't tell them you can find it for free

(They speak of "This Dojo" and "That Dojo", they are looking for profit) - Miyamoto Musashi

LAMO the coping begins

Now the Prestige: So Asshurt he tells us who I already who he was. (The annoying gun store clerk who tells people "I'm in the industry" -instructor side helper). Saying I'm a grifter instructor when I've done nothing but advised against getting ripped off by them while posting you can get their manuals for free. Then the icing on the cake; a parting Jockoisum. LAMO

Both in the field and mostly online you run into these types and know right away. Oh fuck he's going to Bring up Jocko or Chris Kylie and larp like he's got my back "thin blue line" and run's this many drills; " Let you tell me about that one time I almost got into the military or Law enforcement". This is reddit tier speak and someone who'll get themselves or you killed if you don't know what to look for.

I wasn't even trying; I'm used to really fucking with ppl's head's on another level. This was just a normal larper mind fuck. In person it would be worse as then I could read more with body language and really make them lose their shit or chill them out. "The person who can't master their emotions will be mastered by one who can". This is why I advise to watch out for the wannabe who's never been in a fight looking for one when real fighter's avoid it if possible. That is the point of De-escalation and getting into their heads. What I just did is the surface. As I said I do things in threes and there's a few books you could read (also freebie's) I'll make a more in depth overview in Warfare and Tactics staring my new Gecko45 (IYKY). I'll block your name-ect in the post Mr Boney.
This end's your entry training in using trolling mindset to mind fuck Larper's into chilling out or exposing themselves. I hope you learned your lesson as well Mr Boney. This isn't reddit and you don't have to larp to kick it, there are sharks in these waters. You're Welcome

Oh I could make lemon aide out of anything.

Don't take it personal kid, I never do. There's no way you could've known you would've encountered one of the most effective trolls

 

[Ealen]

I'm used to really fucking with ppl's head's on another level

Nobody fucking cares, stop derailing the thread.

 

[Dean Pentel]

I was reading in Nool's swamp defense thread about the importance of being able to shoot under stress, so I've been trying to do a couple shots of dry fire in between kettlebell swings.

It's definitely an interesting experience.

I want to point out that shooting well under stress has nothing to do with stress inoculation type drills. Rather, it's about bringing your skills to such a level that they degrade very little when you're under stress.

Think of the Bill Drill. The idea behind it, or any drill, is it will allow a shooter to see in real time where their skill levels are. Consider all the skills one needs to get a sub two second Bill Drill: draw, grip, trigger manipulation, sight reset. One cultivates those skills individually to achieve high skill levels on the Bill Drill; they don't practice the drill itself.

Don't think I'm saying you shouldn't add some PT to your live fire training. Use it as a crucible to see where you're at and what you need to improve.

 

[Boney]

Something that is disputed by people for various reasons (some valid) is when to move to getting a red dot for your handgun. The argument goes that you are better off having good practice with irons developing the fundementals before buying an expensive reliable red dot, and that new shooters need to focus on developing mastery of irons as a core skill.

In my training and experience I disagree. Irons are not a core skill, exectuting the fundamentals of marksmanship are the core skills regardless of sighting system. A red dot is simply a more modern aiming device. So in my opinion, and many others, as soon as possible is the only right answer.

Not only is a red dot a superior aiming system than irons (of course it also has some drawbacks), but the influence it has on your training is massively beneficial. The feedback it provides during dry fire is far more readable and affirmative than what you can get with irons, meaning you can see and correct issures with your presentation and trigger pull more accurately.

I'm relatively new to carrying a red dot on my handguns, but the addition of one and the dry fire work that goes with it has been a massive boon to my learning.

That doesn't make it "better" than irons for EDC (although I would argue it is) and there are many reasons you might want to stick to irons for your conceal carry/handgun.

But eventually it is a skill you'll need to learn, and the training benefits that come along with owning one are tangible and effective. So, the sooner you hop on board the better.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

Everyone has their opinion on this subject. One of the most interesting moments in my life is working on a dark property in niggervile at about 9pm alone in the backyard, the backyard adjacent to the alleyway separated by a 4 foot tall chain link fence and unlocked gate. Long story short a Nigger enters the yard from the alley, draws a large plain kitchen knife on me I had a 27 with a standard magazine and a harbor freight brand flashlight. I knew where I was, I knew why he was approaching me and I knew what the knife was for that's why I had the Glock and the flashlight. I was stupid I never planned for needing either I just assumed them being in my possession was enough. My dominant hand goes on the grip supporting hand goes over the dominant hand's wrist and the flashlight goes strait into the niggers eyes, his hand is on a 12-14" wooden handle kitchen knife. Now I'm going to be completely honest here. I had no plan if this situation or ANY situation similar if it should take place, I literally didn't know what to do, he's about 5 yards away from me where the flashlight stopped him from advancing , the 27 is aimed at center mass and I'm thinking Do I just shot him in a lethal manner? do I shot into the sky? do I shoot into the dirt? Should I just aim for a lesser lethal extremity? He's holding a lethal weapon and ceased advancing, I'm in grey zone. How fast can I find the brass casings in the grass in the dark if I need to GTFO of niggerville, are there cameras that saw me? Do they have night vision? 1001 thoughts racing through my head. I wish I could say at that moment I said something John Wayne would have said, something like "Nigger you've got 2 seconds to run away before you become the county coroners problem." I did not. I simply said "don't make me do it". Not the most masculine thing I've ever said by far. Now at this point and time I realized the flashlight was so effective he didn't even see the subcompact .40 pointed at him. I swing the flashlight behind the slide now he can clearly see the silhouette of a pistol. It takes a literal second for him to process this and then he runs faster than any nog I can ever recall. The rest of the story I won't openly post here for legal reasons. I ended up not firing a shot and as far as the rest of the story goes I'll leave it vague, mention it didn't end after he started to run and I sure as hell put the fear of god into that nigger.

I fucked up, I didn't have a plan I had a good pistol and a decent flashlight and figured the tools were all I needed, I had fired thousands of rounds but wasn't mentally prepared for the moment it all went down, what to do if the threatening party stopped actively threatening/advancing but, did not retreat. Don't make the mistake I did. Have a plan if specific actions take place.


More on topic:
My opinion when I'm not enjoying as in just enjoying shooting I want to be as unnerved, uncomfortable and physically tired as possible. I usually just drink a lot of caffeine and do burpees till I'm sweating and breathing heavy then I pick up a pre loaded/chambered firearm and do some basic double taps or a the Mozambique drill. I never quick draw loaded from a holster an fire live rounds, I've just seen too many people put a slug in their thigh trying to train, not for me. My aim is terrible compared to a nice controlled environment where I'm just enjoying the day and I usually end up slicing my hand on a rock or something doing burpees but, I want the pressure to be on me. Friends I'd go shooting with with, we'd load each other's range ammo and bring along 1 or 2 cartridges with lead and no powder/primer randomly load in a 17 round magazine. We'd be doing some basic drills to induce a required surprise "tap/rack/bang" drill. It will demonstrate very clearly when someone is having flinching issues.

It's already been said in this thread 3 Gun is really the perfect practical training, the mental pressure of competition, sprinting and dealing with physical barriers.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I don't know about you guys but that was entertaining as fuck

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!

And yes, big part of training is training while you're tired and uncomfortable. Bad weather helps too. Try shooting that pistol red dot when it's raining, see how it looks when the glass is wet.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Yeah I like red dots, I have one on my EDC and on my race gun because I only do Open, but I've always been of the opinion irons are basic essentials.
Learn on irons first.
I get the complaints that co witnessing is unnecessary and too much, but the way I see it, irons are your fail safe. They're always there. Say your battery dies, say the red dot gets damaged, say any of a dozen things happen, if you only train on red dots and something happens, you better have trained your point shooting game.
Instinctive point shooting is the end game for a skilled shooter, its what you train when you have everything else down, it takes a lot of skill, both inborn and trained to get really great at it, and a lot of people never get that good at it.
You're irons are your back up.
I even keep flip up irons on my long guns.
Just my opinion, ymmv, but get proficient on irons, then your optic, then if you want and can put in the time, practice your point/instinctive shooting, till you have the muscle memory to Roland of Gilead that shit.
Red dots are great, but they can and do fail.
If that happens, the irons are your fail safe.

 

[Boney]

Lots of peoppe choose to EDC for those very reasons with irons. But I just think just how useful a dot is for dry fire practice can't be over stated and the sooner you are getting that feedback the better. Besides, red dot aiming is a whole different skill set to learn so might as well get started.

Sort of a damn shame the barrier to entry for a trustworthy red dot starts at like $400 with the RMR or Holosun offering.

Totally beyond me how the chinks make passable, even pretty good, pistol dots but can't put together a rifle optic worth a shit.