Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[The Ugly One]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was it Dylan Mulvaney that said "it's not about being a woman it's about being better than woman"?

That was Keffals.

 

[Dumcumpster]

That was Keffals.

Makes sense. I lose track of what they all say as for the most part it's all just one annoying blob of "tranny good cis evil" shit.

I think it was likely for him to troon already and was most likely thinking of it prior. He was hoping for his gf to become a wife and then he'd troon. Because she said no (what did she know?) he decided fuck it and did it anyways. My brother was engaged for awhile before trooning, but she left eventually post troon. I think they're hoping it'll keep them around for it, if they already had the idea to troon prior to proposing that is. Which according to them they've had their whoooole lives no matter how untrue that is in reality.

I also blame Ru Paul's show. They watch that shit religiously. I've been to a drag show in my city but fuck man maybe it's my autism or whatever but it was fucking weird and I hated it. Loud, flaming gay men being obnoxious is entertaining I guess for some.

 

[xX_rAcE_wAr_420_Xx]

While I wholeheartedly agree, it's extremely dangerous for us to express our opinions, and not just when it comes to gender. I hate that it is so, but we need male support on this one. MTFs are extremely entitled and will turn to all kinds of violence to defend their right to bully us, and handmaidens also feel emboldened to do the same when their troon masters enlist them.

Unfortunately most men don't see a problem with transgenderism because it has virtually no negative impact on them. MTFs, like all other men are more inclined to listen other men.

A holistic approach, to take extra care to avoid devolving into pointless genderwar nonsense, sees both men and women as being pretty complicit in the social atmosphere that allows this. This entire thread is proof of how common the urge is to just try to support someone as they slowly boil themselves into full blown troon/pooning out. I'd argue that initial acceptance came more from women, as the gender cause latched onto feminism and LGBTQQIAPP++ stuff all balled together with it, but men shortly followed to balance it out. Plenty of desperate dudes give lip service to feminism to try to get pussy, then (again, as this thread shows) plenty of them have friends that start trooning out and initially you want to support them even if it seems weird, and suddenly it feels like everyone is just on board with this. If you wanted to push back on it, step one is getting social consensus, which pretty much only happens once people start being the first to step forward and say "yeah I'm done with this". In that regard, both men and women are equally situated.

Troons are a total meta-breaker strategy when you think about it. In even vaguely supportive environments they play the victim HARD and appeal to emotion and social pressure to make it suicide to bully them - they're just trying to live their authentic lives, use the bathroom in peace, I can't believe you'd hate them just for being different. But they're also totally immune to female social pressure, because they're a mix of shameless, autistic, sexually aroused by the idea of other people being uncomfortable around them but not being able to do anything about it, and it requires a critical mass of pushback to actually stop them in any way.

If you want men specifically to use physical force (violence) to stop troons from using women's bathrooms and locker rooms, there's more reason than just apathy or "not my problem" that makes them not do that. You get absolutely ruined legally for doing so, even a light scuffle that doesn't cause any real injury still counts as assault and battery with a series of hate crime aggravating circumstances (or outright additional charges), and you could be looking at a lot of prison time for stepping in, maybe even felony charges. In our age of totally atomized social communities, for who or what would you risk such a thing? Even for your wife and daughters, are they better off with you in prison, totally unemployable to anyone who can Google news articles showing the viral cellphone video of you dragging a brave transwomen out of the bathroom in a chokehold.

 

[2SLGBQTIA+ 2 Furious]

I have seen an acquaintance become troon-adjacent, drop some (autistic) hints and it now looks like he will be going the route himself.

He changed his name, which is something he already seemed to do informally with masculine names before I knew about this shit, to a gender-neutral first name and an unambiguously feminine middle name. In hindsight I would've seen it as a sign of some sort of identity issues, but when I was a kid you'd occasionally see other kids adopt their own nicknames with nothing ultimately coming of it. Because they were kids. Childlike regression/fantasy thing?

I don't know the troon he's adjacent to, but I do know that person comes from an unstable family to some degree. I don't think you could say anyone involved in this has any kind of privilege. It would be very funny if I return to the space I know this guy from because I don't know how sincere the affirmation there is, but nobody would expect me to go full what-is-a-woman on them. I wouldn't necessarily advise others to approach it the same way but I don't think there are any bridges I wouldn't burn at this point.

Not a single feminine thing about the guy and he doesn't seem to have taken any steps to "present as" (kill yourself if you ever sincerely say anything like this) a woman. I have never known anything so viscerally stupid.

 

[Bankingway]

Had a moment of horror today.

Spoiler: Peep the horror here

Was shooting the shit with some buddies, and then someone joins into the call with the most AGP voice I think I've ever heard. The forced softness to sound more "girly", prioritizing pushing that voice over an authentic delivery so it sounds robotic (because it's a fake voice), the whole nine yards. I didn't have a clue what I was listening to for a millisecond, and then it clicked that this was a friend of mine. Not one of the two I mentioned awhile ago (who I haven't seen or heard anything from), this was an MtF hon case and I hadn't heard anything from the guy for some time until that.

Now I can say I've experienced both the TIF and the TIM, and I don't like it. I really should've taken the "HRT hit the nerd community like crack hit the black community" saying more seriously, that makes three people now.

I also blame Ru Paul's show. They watch that shit religiously. I've been to a drag show in my city but fuck man maybe it's my autism or whatever but it was fucking weird and I hated it. Loud, flaming gay men being obnoxious is entertaining I guess for some.

I never got it either, or why people were and still are so willing to die on the hill of drag queens. Just struck me as obnoxious at best and arguably misogynistic at worst, yet I've known a weird number of women that love RuPaul's shit. Fag hags just became handmaidens, didn't they?

 

[Islamic Jihad Rocket]

Not exactly a post about anyone in specific, but sort of just musing about those in the past who I once called friends who were lost to trannyism, or just the genderspecial movement in general since I feel the need to vent; and kinda feel like this is the perfect place.

Spoiler: big wall of text

When I see or hear any of that shit, someone having pronouns in bio or going by whatever other made-up bullshit of the week; there's a part of me that just gets red flags raised. I remember seeing it the first time several years ago and didn't understand; I still don't understand but everything and everyone I've seen or interacted with who was a tranny is an insufferable cunt. I feel like I have to step on fucking eggshells around them, they're so unstable that saying or doing the wrong thing could set them off. These kinds of things are what has helped form my perception upon them, they're all insufferable cunts who will never be happy in life. I think being on here and having friends who agree with the kinds of views I have upon trannies and other gender weirdos have helped solidify this perception even more, and reading and hearing about all the shit that happens just really makes me MATI, your not allowed to criticize, your not allowed to be against them, you either join them or support them, or have your entire online presence canceled for being "transphobic" or whatever phobic these faggots come up with.

I literally cannot get behind the idea of destroying your body to satisfy such delusions, I just cannot. A female saying she wants to be called a "male", I just feel like by enabling that behavior is just making things worse, enabling delusion when it isn't truth. I fucking can't. But of course in Clown World its all normalized because that's what weirdos are trying to push, upon everyone, upon kids, etc.

Maybe I dodged a bullet by hanging out with the right people, and learning to laugh at all the weirdo stupid shit people do on the internet. A part of me feels like I could have at least convinced these people or given them the right insight that their choices were really fucking stupid, you can't control someone's actions but at the same time; I really miss the days when all this shit was mocked and laughed at. Now every space has to be "inclusive" and foster such fucking degenerate behavior. Fuck trannies, fuck genderspecials, fuck faggots, I really fucking hate any kind of gender ideology bullshit. A part of me wishes I could convince those that its a terrible pipeline and that those delusions won't make them happy but...these types of people are so fucking dense they refuse to listen to anyone; so they're just a lost cause in the end.

I get in the end the reason people do it is because "autism" or something else, but are people really this weak-willed enough that they really believe this will give them happiness, this will fulfill some purpose in life? I just don't fucking get it, I cannot wrap my mind around it.

 

[AI generated waifu]

I literally cannot get behind the idea of destroying your body to satisfy such delusions, I just cannot. A female saying she wants to be called a "male", I just feel like by feel like by enabling that behavior is just making things worse, enabling delusion when it isn't truth. I fucking can't

There's plenty of reasons people are doing this to themselves, that for a well adjusted, confident person might be hard to grasp.

The biggest thing right now seems to be that young people are being groomed online by big influencers, friend groups and the ever present popularity of the lgbt fandom. They might feel uncomfortable with their sex, puberty, social expectations, loneliness. They spend time mulling over their issues, their expanding understanding of the world, and their complicated new feelings.

Trans gives you a special kind of status, it makes you 'deeper', more true to yourself, different, unique and wise. It makes you both a rebel against an unjust world, and its victim. It's a quasi spiritual thing, making you ascend your boring sex a turning you into a New Person. A bit like new age hippy shit, plus punk and emo rebel stuff mixed in. It's especially attractive to young, insecure teens, who get praised and love bombed by the community, and they get to compel others speech to boot.

 

[Daydreaming Unicorn]

I had a female friend back when I was miserable, somewhat woke-y and surrounded by woke leftists on Discord, and now, after enough time has passed and I’ve ditched all of them (and I’m doing much better partially because of it!), I can’t help but reflect.

Spoiler: Sorry for the long vent/rant!

We’ve actually vibed for quite a few years before I started peaking on a LOT of stuff, and despite everything, and despite all the flaws and fights and AUTISM RAGE moments, in the end I truly do feel bad for her, while she never actually tried to even acknowledge her situation, she was kind of set up for failure.

A summary on her: AUTISTIC & PROUD, mentally she was very well a 14-year-old at best, being a straight girl turned out not trendy, so she became a she/they/it agender with a whole pronoun page (and I remember she listed someone on there as her “online sibling” and that person was 13 while she was 23…) and has come out and said I’M GAY when she started e-dating a “trans man” (which kind of… is transphobic, by her logic?), overdramatic, MBTI-obsessed (she was INFP, imagine, the MBTI every idiotic, screeching, “I’m an empath” girl is), her whole “woe is me” about being a Chinese adoptee into a fairly upper middle class white family (that consisted of a mentally challenged, frail mother, a father who laughed in her face when she autistically screeched at him for saying “retarded” and berated her for trying to cut herself after the mildest confrontation, and a couple of siblings, some adopted), lives with her parents, never had a job or planned to get one, is chronically online, actually planned for her then pooner “boyfriend” to ALSO move in with them, and apparently even the pooner contributed more to society than her because at least it had a job (I’ve tried to goad her into college or getting a job because I thought exiting the house and actually interacting with people will help, but she was “so picky” about her options, any plans we thought of fizzled out).

If she wasn’t crying about being adopted or having rageful temper tantrums about propaganda, she was gushing about “Chinese culture”, in the most superficial way possible. She harassed our Chinese friend about “Chinese stuff” when said friend was clearly uncomfortable, but when I asked if that means she’s learning the language, she looked like me with a blank stare. Any effort beyond copy-pasting Wiki articles on Chinese myths to people who are not interested is too much! Never been taught internet safety, and has sent me irl pictures of not only her and her surroundings, but her FAMILY members, I’m talking a pre-teen younger brother and sister, VACATION PICTURES, after a mere MONTH of knowing me. Loves talking about herself. Receives an adoption & some disability check and immediately spends it on artist Patreons, League of Legends scam skins, donations, toys, games, etc. She was your typical “uwu I love cute & pastel stuff and am so girly” girl yet she could have insane meltdowns, “KILL TERFS” and all that.

I remember I was peaking on the trans stuff, and she sent me a TikTok of a girl claiming to be “transracial”, White American to Chinese, laughing and making fun of her. Now to clarify, she 100% did this not because she was so against transracial clowns, but because being Chinese was HER thing, okay! A white person can’t just come by and claim to be asian like her, they are the privileged one (even though she and the non-binary friend in our group were the most privileged people I’ve ever met, shocker, I know)!!! Anyway, I went full troll and totally agreed with the transracial girl in the TikTok. What do you mean people can be the wrong gender (social construct) but not the wrong race (social construct)? Why are they so different? She immediately flew into rage, but contained, because I positioned myself as having a bleeding heart for the girl and how we should be empathetic and it wouldn’t have been very uwu kawaii empath of her to straight up attack me.

Eventually we had a falling out, and she went out like a fart. Last I heard of her, she is on the list to get her breasts removed and is looking to remove her uterus after that, but no plans for hormones. Eugenics didn’t do it, but this trans stuff will wipe out a good portion of the autistic people, I feel. I don’t think I’ve seen any other demographic that’s been claimed by the trans cult as severely as autistic people.

 

[FedPostalService]

I’ve known one or two troons online through autistic hobbies, never in real life.

You kinda feel sorry at first and try to be decent and respect but I’ve learnt to stay away.

Either the estrogen starts ruining their cognitive functions and they REALLY start acting out as disturbing impressions of what a misogynist thinks women act like and/or start causing insane drama and set everything around them on fire.

Gatekeep the fuck out of your communities and keep these fuckers out.

I’ve only known one pooner and she was someone I really felt sorry for. Super autistic but very pleasant. She disappeared before she went full on with the hormones. I bet the next time I see her it will be on the news after she tries to minecraft a school.

Weird thing with her is she didn’t seem to have any enabling orbiters. You’d usually see with the troons they’d be in a big circle jerk of other weird troons and degens on Twitter.

It still makes me feel sad when I think of how this slightly awkward but otherwise pleasant woman is utterly destroying her life because someone kept telling her that videos games are for boys and that there was probably some abuse in the past too.

 

[Online Fossil]

I fear a friend of mine might fall into this. He moved away so is isolated from irl friends. Always been into nerd/weeb shit. Has gotten into Breadtube recently. Discord pronouns are he/they though he/him everywhere else and hasn’t brought it up so idk if he’s just trying to fit in with people there as a lot of the artsy people I know do or what. He’s a great guy and I would hate to see this happen to him, anything I can do? We don’t talk about this stuff, I just worry knowing how these discord/reddit assholes prey on vulnerable men making them think becoming a woman would solve their problems. He does have the mediating factors of a very close traditional family and living somewhere that doesn’t make it easy to transition so hoping if he is considering that deters him and he’s just too lazy to look into it seriously

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

People would be surprised at how traditionalism unintentionally helps fuel the trans movement. In a lot of cases it’s actually easier for these families to accept that their effeminate son is a woman rather than a homosexual. When you have an impressionable young man isolating himself irl due to fear of being ostracized for his sexuality and spending all his time online, where there are hordes of people claiming that men can actually be women due to gender non-conforming behavior or vice versa, you are creating a monster instead of identifying an issue. That’s certainly how I lost a young friend of mine.

I fear a friend of mine might fall into this. He moved away so is isolated from irl friends. Always been into nerd/weeb shit. Has gotten into Breadtube recently. Discord pronouns are he/they though he/him everywhere else and hasn’t brought it up so idk if he’s just trying to fit in with people there as a lot of the artsy people I know do or what. He’s a great guy and I would hate to see this happen to him, anything I can do? We don’t talk about this stuff, I just worry knowing how these discord/reddit assholes prey on vulnerable men making them think becoming a woman would solve their problems. He does have the mediating factors of a very close traditional family and living somewhere that doesn’t make it easy to transition so hoping if he is considering that deters him and he’s just too lazy to look into it seriously

It sounds more like he’s just trying to fit in. I don’t know how old you or your friend are but I know youngsters have a thing for putting their pronouns in their bio’s, even if they’re not trans.

If he hasn’t brought up anything involving trans stuff, there isn’t really much of anything you can do at this time.

 

[GloriousScarf]

In a lot of cases it’s actually easier for these families to accept that their effeminate son is a woman rather than a homosexual.

I genuinely don't understand that. Being a troon is an absolute abomination. I'd take a gay kid any day of the week.

 

[Fapcop]

I genuinely don't understand that. Being a troon is an absolute abomination. I'd take a gay kid any day of the week.

Yeah, I don’t really buy that.

I doubt anyone thinks like that outside of Teheran anyways.

Sounds like some weird shitlib propaganda about what’s really causing people trooning out is homophobia.

People would be surprised at how traditionalism unintentionally helps fuel the trans movement. In a lot of cases it’s actually easier for these families to accept that their effeminate son is a woman rather than a homosexual.

Show me just ONE irl example.

I’m sorry this is bullshit. You live in the Bible belt and your son is a homo? You might cut him off, you sure as fuck won’t think it’s an improvement that he has long hair and calls himself Alice.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Yeah, I don’t really buy that.

I doubt anyone thinks like that outside of Teheran anyways.

Sounds like some weird shitlib propaganda about what’s really causing people trooning out is homophobia.


Show me just ONE irl example.

I’m sorry this is bullshit. You live in the Bible belt and your son is a homo? You might cut him off, you sure as fuck won’t think it’s an improvement that he has long hair and calls himself Alice.

idk how common it is but there was that GOP congresswoman with a trans kid.

 

[grenouille crétine]

Show me just ONE irl example.

gotchu brother. now he doesn’t even have a sexuality at all, let alone homosex. homophobia win, in the end

Many HSTSs/pooners prior to the modern trans explosion are just a walking manifestation of this trope, whether or not their families support them. Well-meaning parents might try to talk their kids out of it and lose them forever. Well-meaning parents might go all-in and end up indoctrinated just like their dumbass kids. Narc parents who only see their children as tools for attention, like the previous specimen, might see a way to wrap their child around their finger forever and make it impossible for them to leave.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Show me just ONE irl example.

I’m sorry this is bullshit. You live in the Bible belt and your son is a homo? You might cut him off, you sure as fuck won’t think it’s an improvement that he has long hair and calls himself Alice.

The conservative movement has some pick-me trannies. Blaire White (who’s obviously an effeminate guy with a traumatic upbringing) is a pretty popular one.

Most of my own perceptions are from people I’ve been friends with, I’m from a rural area so self-hating homosexuality is about as rampant as crack in a black community. Some of those folks don’t want to disappoint their families or accept they like the same sex, so they’ll latch onto the theory that one can be born with a “female brain”. That way they can pretend to be straight and at least give off the aura they’ll find a nice girl. Other than creepy AGP’s, do you think so many trans women identify as “lesbians”?

 

[Fapcop]

Other than creepy AGP’s, do you think so many trans women identify as “lesbians”?

I’d say that the fact that so many of these freaks are “lesbians” is actually proof that they’re not poor, whittle misunderstood homos who aren’t allowed to be homos.

 

[Walking Abortion]

Show me just ONE irl example.

Every single MTF I have met irl, granted it's not many, has been an effeminate fag from a conservative family who trooned out to feel normal. Believe me, there are uber religious families out there who would rather have their son put on a dress and chop off his balls than admit that he's just gay.

I also used to know an effeminate fag from a conservative family who started identifying as agender a few years back. In his case, he's also an obvious AGP with a few screws loose. He used to post videos of himself and his boyfriend on social media wearing maid dresses and cat ears or fishnets or stockings and skirts. He's covered in self-harm scars, had a drug addiction while I knew him, and apparently tried to murder both his mother and his boyfriend yet still made himself out to be the victim in both cases.

 

[Paper Machete]

Every single MTF I have met irl, granted it's not many, has been an effeminate fag from a conservative family who trooned out to feel normal. Believe me, there are uber religious families out there who would rather have their son put on a dress and chop off his balls than admit that he's just gay.

I also used to know an effeminate fag from a conservative family who started identifying as agender a few years back. In his case, he's also an obvious AGP with a few screws loose. He used to post videos of himself and his boyfriend on social media wearing maid dresses and cat ears or fishnets or stockings and skirts. He's covered in self-harm scars, had a drug addiction while I knew him, and apparently tried to murder both his mother and his boyfriend yet still made himself out to be the victim in both cases.

I think there is a lot more going on with that dude than just "my parents don't like that I want a boyfriend".

A lot of gay men I've known and talked to about it have said that a lot of them have gone through a phase of wondering why they're same sex attracted, of thinking things would be easier if they were girls because it would be normal then and not confusing. But they grow out of it regardless of how homophobic their environment growing up is. This is something entirely different going on IMO. Especially since trannies don't pass, certainly not the ones who didn't chemical castrate themselves as children to "pass better", why would conservative christains want a transvestite kid going out to dinner with them? The answer is they wouldn't. There actually aren't that many conservative (proper) christains around at all these days.

 

[Aunt Carol]

A lot of gay men I've known and talked to about it have said that a lot of them have gone through a phase of wondering why they're same sex attracted, of thinking things would be easier if they were girls because it would be normal then and not confusing. But they grow out of it regardless of how homophobic their environment growing up is. This is something entirely different going on IMO.

I've seen the same thing with lesbian women, and it's reflected in a lot of memoirs. Young homosexuals figuring themselves out and trying "man-liking = woman, and I wouldn't be disappointing my parents by not wanting to go out for football/just generally being faggy if I were a girl all along." Even non-homosexual guys who just grew up to be nerds and not good at physical stuff can entertain that. But it's also a thought-experiment, because there isn't a switch or a way to go back and be born the other sex, and the grass is always greener.

One thing that's changed is the trans movement that says "actually you can easily and meaningfully change sex," and is really invested in getting that "fact" into kids' heads as early as possible, so when they try to find themselves, the trans dead end is part of the accepted map they're using to plot their course.

Think back to cozy memoirs and young adult books pre-troonery and how many of them had a protagonist speculate about how it would have been different being a boy/girl, but not dwell on it and continue being dorky/quirky/proto-gay instead. Imagine inserting 300 extra pages after that chapter, where instead of advancing the plot the protagonist just climbs further and further up their own asshole and meets a new cast of self-important lovebombers to teach them to walk on eggshells, and they never manage to save the world/grow up and become a cartoonist/spy on their neighbors and learn life lessons after all.