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Fcret said:
Apparently Intel has released an interim microcode fix to stop degradation of the affected 13th and 14th gen CPUs. It comes with a small performance penalty but is supposed to keep your CPU from dying. Apparently the full fix is due out in late August and will bring performance back in line with what was advertised but without chip degradation.
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How would performance be brought back in line if the cpu had physically degraded?
 
Susanna said:
It won’t. What they mean is, the current patch stops further degradation at the cost of some performance. The future one will stop degradation without also costing performance.
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So, what happens to the damaged cpu's? Free replacements? I'm assuming this also affected the one's for servers too, right?
 
TrinityReformed said:
So, what happens to the damaged cpu's? Free replacements? I'm assuming this also affected the one's for servers too, right?
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RMA if you’re covered by warranty, which you will be because they’re nowhere near old enough to be out of it yet. Intel have a good reputation for RMAs, I expect them to honour it (especially considering all the bad PR they’ve already gotten from this debacle).
 
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TrinityReformed said:
So, what happens to the damaged cpu's? Free replacements? I'm assuming this also affected the one's for servers too, right?
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I presume Intel will roll out some kind of RMA guidance soon but it'll be an uphill battle considering that OEMs and SIs are already reporting long wait times for replacement raptor lake CPUs.

tbh if you can afford it, then switching to AMD is probably the least frustrating path forward. Intel has given no indication that that they're interested in resolving this problem quickly so it's going to be months of waiting for a replacement that itself is potentially going to be defective. By the time raptor lake users are 'made whole', raptor lake itself will probably be largely obsolete.

The whole affair has soured me on Intel. I'm planning an AM5 replacement build right now so I don't end up desktopless, and I don't intend to purchase Intel again for a long time.
 
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Ryzen 9000 has been delayed
Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X processors on sale August 8, while the higher-end Ryzen 9 9950X and Ryzen 9 9900X will be delayed until August 15.
 
Pattern Juggler said:
Sounds like someone in AMD said 'fuck we better double check that oxidation thing can't happen to our chips'.
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That and if it gets pushed back after the microcode update hampers performance then reviews might show an even wider gap between intel and AMD.

Really there's zero downside to a small delay right now. Either they're actually fixing something (which will look good to uncertain consumers atm), they're just taking a bit of extra time to really polish stuff (again, going to be appreciated), or they just want to see how the Intel fix pans out.
 
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Freedom Fighter said:
Ryzen 9000 has been delayed
Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X processors on sale August 8, while the higher-end Ryzen 9 9950X and Ryzen 9 9900X will be delayed until August 15.
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Kind of astounding that they are recalling everything for validation. But I'd rather see that than have more bad CPUs going out. I ran into problems with a defective 3600x myself, not eager to repeat the experience.
 
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Fcret said:
Apparently Intel has released an interim microcode fix to stop degradation of the affected 13th and 14th gen CPUs. It comes with a small performance penalty but is supposed to keep your CPU from dying. Apparently the full fix is due out in late August and will bring performance back in line with what was advertised but without chip degradation.
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I have an i9-13900K that started showing problems a year ago (consistent crashes on game starts, crashes on shader compilation in UE5 games, etc.). I did a BIOS flash and some tweaks and was able to get it mostly stable again, but it's obvious that the degradation has already taken hold.

For the longest time, I thought it was a GPU problem, because the affected drivers in crashes were usually video-related. Then I started noticing weird shit like constant browser tab crashes, periodic BSODs, archive decompression failures (Oodle, NVIDIA driver updates, etc.), and other stuff, so I tried disabling hardware acceleration in Brave to see if that would help, and when the browser tab crashes persisted, I immediately realized the CPU was the problem, so I started Googling around, and sure enough. "13th-gen and 14th-gen i9s have serious problems". Fuuuuuuuuuck.

They're getting down to atomically small transistor gate sizes. 13th-gen and 14th-gen are 10nm and 7nm, respectively. They're getting to the point, very soon, where the only way to keep up will be to increase voltages. The trouble is, modern processors already basically run at the very limit of what the materials can actually do without electromigration destroying them.

In other words, the benchmarks for these processors are bullshit and they are basically factory-overclocked to the limit already with their boost clock speeds.

Kind of ironic. My last Ryzen rig suffered a CPU failure, which is why I went with Intel this time around, only to have yet another CPU failure.

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