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Don't you mean that instead? I dunno I always get this sense that deep down Chris is confused by men because he's really attracted to them. Like the bulges and topless thing in example, what man in their right mind gets bothered by that?
Chris is very disturbed by male anatomy, in the straightforward sense that he finds them gross/disgusting.

What you're saying was the common wisdom for the longest time. People thought Chris was actually gay. It seemed so obvious to everyone. Did you ever wonder why we bombarded him with gay shit over the years?

The reality of the situation is that Chris is genuinely super traumatized by male genitalia. When you talk to Chris for a long period of time, you realize how deep this runs. Someone once sprung graphic gay porn on Chris, and he couldn't calm down for like 10 minutes. It was like a panic attack, hyperventilating, just completely horrified.

In general though, I think the "homophobe secretly closted" trope isn't as prevalent as most people think. When we do encounter it, it's hilarious, of course. But I don't think it's actually that common. Most homophobes are probably just ordinary straight bigots.
 
Chris is very disturbed by male anatomy, in the straightforward sense that he finds them gross/disgusting.

I'm glad you brought this up, no really I am, because I am really, truly trying to figure out WHY.

I remember when Chris told Julie that he would have random gay thoughts, and would think about cocks, and then hear people shout in his head "chris is gay chris is gay!"

WHY is Chris so worried that he'd be gay. Why does he come across as being so homophobic?
And last but not least: Why oh why is Chris so bothered about the "male anatomy"?

This could also be why he prefers lesbian porn btw, so he won't have to freak out about the cocks? Sorry if I'm being blunt, not trying to be edgy here, I truly wonder about all of that. And I wanna make sense of it all, so these are legitimate questions I put here. Thank you in advance everyone who replies for any thoughts people can give me about this.
 
I'm glad you brought this up, no really I am, because I am really, truly trying to figure out WHY.

I remember when Chris told Julie that he would have random gay thoughts, and would think about cocks, and then hear people shout in his head "chris is gay chris is gay!"
Chris told Julie that he'd imagine dicks, not necessarily gay thoughts. The way I interpret that is that Chris believes that he's in the driver's seat when it comes to imagination, when that's not exactly how it works. For example, if I'm having a conversation with you about apples, images of apples pop up into your head. When I say the word "apple", you might imagine something like this. That's just how language and visualization intertwine. It's pretty difficult (or impossible) to resist that effect.

Basically, I don't believe Chris is this gentleman. I think it's more that Chris used to encounter people talking about dicks or gay stuff, perhaps on TV or movies, then he'd imagine dicks, and shit himself in horror. Chris' ideal world would be free of all male genital parts, including his own.
WHY is Chris so worried that he'd be gay. Why does he come across as being so homophobic?
Because of autism. Because teenagers use "gay" as an insult.
And last but not least: Why oh why is Chris so bothered about the "male anatomy"?
Because it reminds him that male sexuality exists.

Well, and something in his childhood probably kicked it all off.
This could also be why he prefers lesbian porn btw, so he won't have to freak out about the cocks?
Oh definitely.

Heh, I kinda want to set up a carnival event "guess the nipple!". It just has a row of nipples sticking out through holes behind a curtain. Nothing else, just the nipple. And you've gotta guess whether it's a man or woman nipple. That'd trigger Chris so fucking hard.
 
What was life like before you @Goochole ? I'll never know.

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Chris told Julie that he'd imagine dicks, not necessarily gay thoughts. The way I interpret that is that Chris believes that he's in the driver's seat when it comes to imagination, when that's not exactly how it works. For example, if I'm having a conversation with you about apples, images of apples pop up into your head. When I say the word "apple", you might imagine something like this. That's just how language and visualization intertwine. It's pretty difficult (or impossible) to resist that effect.

That kinda reminds me of that color thing they once did an experiment with on this African tribe who had like all these different words for different color greens. They also perceived light blue as a form of green and just called white clear, like water. They could name different types of green and differentiate shades of green we don't even notice and can't see any difference in because they where brought up that way. However, they couldn't notice that very light blue nor the difference between transparent or white.

Language and picturing things are really a very cultural thing, too.


Basically, I don't believe Chris is this gentleman. I think it's more that Chris used to encounter people talking about dicks or gay stuff, perhaps on TV or movies, then he'd imagine dicks, and shit himself in horror. Chris' ideal world would be free of all male genital parts, including his own.

That's really freaky. He takes being homophobic to a whole new extreme, although the way you explain it its not really homophobic more just male body-phobic. Thats really weird man, I mean wow.

Because of autism. Because teenagers use "gay" as an insult.

That would be the autism, from what I understood autistics takes things very very literal.

Because it reminds him that male sexuality exists.

But of course it exists, he wouldn't even be alive if it didn't. None of us would! Doesn't he realize that?

Well, and something in his childhood probably kicked it all off.

Maybe that principal thing he always talks about. Although not every guy even that was raped as a kid by a man becomes homo- or male-phobic. In fact, from what I understood, its often the other way around even. On top of which Chris was never raped, the principal said / asked something when Chris was on his lap that freaked him out.

Of course I can't judge that situation because I wasn't there, though.

Oh definitely.

Heh, I kinda want to set up a carnival event "guess the nipple!". It just has a row of nipples sticking out through holes behind a curtain. Nothing else, just the nipple. And you've gotta guess whether it's a man or woman nipple. That'd trigger Chris so fucking hard.

It is so weird that Chris is that freaked out by men. You explained it and I do get what you mean, but without truly understanding it. I never seen anything like it and like every guy I'm sure i've met plenty of homophobics. Never just "male-phobics" though.

Chris really needs help in that department too.
 
That's really freaky. He takes being homophobic to a whole new extreme, although the way you explain it its not really homophobic more just male body-phobic. Thats really weird man, I mean wow.
Chris doesn't hate gay men that badly, and he kinda supports them because of "da lgbt". However, he's absolutely perplexed at why gay men exist. Chris can't wrap his mind around the idea that some people might be sexually attracted to men. I mean, he knows people tell him they like men. And he doesn't think those people are lying to him, necessarily. But... he can't explain it.

"Why would these people tell me they like men? How is it f***ing possible to like men???" - Chris' honest-to-god thoughts (including the autistic bowdlerization of "fucking")

So he kinda thinks gay men are just being spiteful or just broken in the head. It confuses the hell out of him. He tolerates straight women because he thinks they might turn lesbian anyway.
But of course it exists, he wouldn't even be alive if it didn't. None of us would! Doesn't he realize that?
He does, and his approach to his parents' sexuality is really weird. Despite Chris' ramblings about how he's had sex dreams about Barb, I don't think he actually wants to bang Barb. However, he has a serious problem in general in that there he has no barriers between him and his mother. He's True n Honest with her about almost everything, up to and including masturbation. With normal people, there's an innate discomfort about hearing about your family's sex life. You know it happens, but that doesn't mean you want to think about it all that much.

Chris never developed that discomfort. Or maybe Barb just smothered it in him.
Maybe that principal thing he always talks about. Although not every guy even that was raped as a kid by a man becomes homo- or male-phobic. In fact, from what I understood, its often the other way around even. On top of which Chris was never raped, the principal said / asked something when Chris was on his lap that freaked him out.

Of course I can't judge that situation because I wasn't there, though.
Yeah, nah, I don't think the principal thing involved any molestation. I think it's more that Chris saw some male nudity as a kid, like a flaccid penis or something, and he just never let go.

Maybe he saw Bob naked or something.
It is so weird that Chris is that freaked out by men. You explained it and I do get what you mean, but without truly understanding it. I never seen anything like it and like every guy I'm sure i've met plenty of homophobic. Never just "male-phobics" though.

Chris really needs help in that department too.
Yeah. Well, when you're a teenager, "eww, penises" is kind of a thing. But then you grow up and become an adult. With Chris, instead of growing up, he marinated in it. Furthermore, I'm sure the trolling made stuff so much worse by always rubbing it in his nose. We associated the years of fucking with him, with the male nudity that he was already seriously bothered by... and now we've got Chris vandalizing magic mike DVDs and hyperventilating upon seeing a penis.
 
Chris doesn't hate gay men that badly, and he kinda supports them because of "da lgbt". However, he's absolutely perplexed at why gay men exist. Chris can't wrap his mind around the idea that some people might be sexually attracted to men. I mean, he knows people tell him they like men. And he doesn't think those people are lying to him, necessarily. But... he can't explain it.
Although my opinions are that Chris has some homo-erotic tendencies, I think that Chris does not understand how anyone can be attracted to men because of the following reasons
  • 1. He is repulsed by them for some reason
  • 2. No one is attracted to him
"How can anyone be attracted to menz if they're not attracted to me, I gots a pickle, and I can stretch in between mai butcheeks, you ladies iz missin' out"

So he kinda thinks gay men are just being spiteful or just broken in the head. It confuses the hell out of him. He tolerates straight women because he thinks they might turn lesbian anyway.
Lol, you act as if Chris has true and honest experience with the real LGBT community, having a gay friend die of aids or living in a small apartment with transitioned trannies and gay men because no one else wants them around.
Chris is more tolerant of straight women just like gay women because they're basically the only ones throughout his life that acknowledged that he might have something that closely resembles feelings, and also because he wants to sleep with all of them.
 
Although my opinions are that Chris has some homo-erotic tendencies, I think that Chris does not understand how anyone can be attracted to men because of the following reasons
  • 1. He is repulsed by them for some reason
  • 2. No one is attracted to him
"How can anyone be attracted to menz if they're not attracted to me, I gots a pickle, and I can stretch in between mai butcheeks, you ladies iz missin' out"
With most normal people, I might label some behavior homoerotic, regardless of how unlikely it would be for them to have a gay experience. However, with Chris, I don't know if I'd have the same opinion. Chris is so deeply disturbed by male bodies that if he's doing something homoerotic, it's not because of an attraction to men, but more of just coincidental behavior that Chris happened to stumble upon. Call it parallel evolution.

For example, people also saw his crossdressing as him being some sort of queen. But nope, Chris is just retarded. (Well, and has gender issues and yaddayaddayadda)

Based on his public statements, I can see why you'd conclude that he's trying to rationalize his romantic situation. But you get kind of a different perspective with his private ramblings. That's where his lack of theory of mind really shines. See, the problem with the "well, I've got a dick, no one likes me, how could someone like men" theory is that it requires Chris to think about how other people feel. He doesn't. He certainly thinks he's empathetic, but he has a brain disorder that makes it extremely difficult for him to understand differing views.

Chris is confused about why people claim to be attracted to men, purely because he, personally, finds them unattractive. That's it.

I've personally listened (in many phone calls) to Chris be positively dumbfounded about people disagreeing with him on some issue of taste. His broken brain simply cannot process it. It's fascinating to listen to.

Chris isn't trying to rationalize his romantic life, because Chris already believes he's the perfect partner, and the world is just a comedy of errors that keeps all the women from discovering the ideal partner. You see this when he gets really desperate with girls. Like when he told Catie that they had a 98% match on okcupid. That was partially him being desperate, of course, but a big chunk of it was that he was amazed that the okcupid match (98%) didn't guarantee Catie would like him.

Think of it like Chris actually believed the huffington post 98% chance of hillary winning, and he's now losing his shit and crying because he simply can't believe it.
Lol, you act as if Chris has true and honest experience with the real LGBT community, having a gay friend die of aids or living in a small apartment with transitioned trannies and gay men because no one else wants them around.
No I don't. I'm saying that Chris is genuine in his positions. But that's the same thing as thinking eating a mcdonalds hamburger makes you an expert on beef. Even if you believe it, you're still a dumbass.
Chris is more tolerant of straight women just like gay women because they're basically the only ones throughout his life that acknowledged that he might have something that closely resembles feelings, and also because he wants to sleep with all of them.
Pretty much, yeah.
 
Based on his public statements, I can see why you'd conclude that he's trying to rationalize his romantic situation. But you get kind of a different perspective with his private ramblings. That's where his lack of theory of mind really shines. See, the problem with the "well, I've got a dick, no one likes me, how could someone like men" theory is that it requires Chris to think about how other people feel. He doesn't. He certainly thinks he's empathetic, but he has a brain disorder that makes it extremely difficult for him to understand differing views.

Chris is confused about why people claim to be attracted to men, purely because he, personally, finds them unattractive. That's it.
I totally get that, but Chris has been told through popular media (uninterrupted years of watching TV) and probably Borb's terrible parenting that girls like duck and pickle. Chris has a duck, yet women still don't like him. Chris sees men as men with pickles/ducks and bodies, and he has all those things, but women still did not like him. I was speaking more about how Chris is terrible with understanding that there's such a thing as personality and social stratification. Like when Chris tried to copy Joshua Martinez, he still did not understand that people were turned off by Chris and not the stereotype of Martinez Chris had in his head.
Chris thinks and understands people in generalizations and stereotypes, and the fact that he had an appendage partially similar to Martinez and still, no one wanted him.....this must have chapped Chris' holy buttocks.
 
I totally get that, but Chris has been told through popular media (uninterrupted years of watching TV) and probably Borb's terrible parenting that girls like duck and pickle.
The crucial point here is: Chris does not believe that that's the truth. Chris knows, in his heart, that men and their parts are universally unattractive. But it's not like he claims that male-attracted women are lying to him, necessarily. If you ask Chris to think about it logically, he recognizes that the women have no motive to lie, and that lying doesn't make sense. But he still can't believe they find men attractive. He has no answer for this quandary. It's like an impossible object to him.
Chris has a duck, yet women still don't like him. Chris sees men as men with pickles/ducks and bodies, and he has all those things, but women still did not like him. I was speaking more about how Chris is terrible with understanding that there's such a thing as personality and social stratification. Like when Chris tried to copy Joshua Martinez, he still did not understand that people were turned off by Chris and not the stereotype of Martinez Chris had in his head.
Chris thinks and understands people in generalizations and stereotypes, and the fact that he had an appendage partially similar to Martinez and still, no one wanted him.....this must have chapped Chris' holy buttocks.
It bothered him back then, of course. That's why he complained about the high boyfriend factor. But it wasn't because he possessed a penis, but because girls kept telling him that they were already taken.

And it definitely doesn't bother him now.

In my experience, I think Chris uses his romantic assets (like the duck or whatever) as a short lived, temporary way to trick women into seeing the ultimate truth: that he's the perfect partner.

Heh, if you remember the short lived Carlos Chantor (if that's what you're referring to?), we persuaded Chris that that's what girls liked. And in a heartbeat he got into it, when it failed to succeed, he ditched it. It wasn't his real identity, so he was perfectly fine with throwing it away.

Chris is completely willing to adopt whatever new fad we tell him girls will like. Like women are into sensitive men? Ok, then Chris will post for 3 weeks about how he watched the Titantic and some other shitty romcoms and how he's the perfect partner. Or women like a man with money? Suddenly Chris is a brilliant businessman for a few weeks.

My theory, based on observing Chris' attitudes, is that his penis is yet another asset he wants to use to attract women, but that he's willing (or even excited) to discard. I don't think Chris is that miffed that other penis owners succeed where he fails.

And that's what's so weird about Chris, compared to normal men. Normal mens egos are in their penis. Chris' isn't.
 
Chris is very disturbed by male anatomy, in the straightforward sense that he finds them gross/disgusting.

What you're saying was the common wisdom for the longest time. People thought Chris was actually gay. It seemed so obvious to everyone. Did you ever wonder why we bombarded him with gay shit over the years?

The reality of the situation is that Chris is genuinely super traumatized by male genitalia. When you talk to Chris for a long period of time, you realize how deep this runs. Someone once sprung graphic gay porn on Chris, and he couldn't calm down for like 10 minutes. It was like a panic attack, hyperventilating, just completely horrified.

In general though, I think the "homophobe secretly closted" trope isn't as prevalent as most people think. When we do encounter it, it's hilarious, of course. But I don't think it's actually that common. Most homophobes are probably just ordinary straight bigots.


Was Chris disturbed by male anatomy before you guys trolled him about it? I get why he's afraid of it now after the fact. (and I'm saying you guys loosely because I don't know how involved you were)
 
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Was Chris disturbed by male anatomy before you guys trolled him about it? I get why he's afraid of it now after the fact. (and I'm saying you guys loosely because I don't know how involved you were)
I think before us he'd give a substantial stress sigh if exposed to male nudity. He'd advert his eyes and be visibly distressed.

After us, it got cranked up to super horrified.

Admittedly, we don't really know what his honest reaction before vs after would be, because I can't imagine Chris was exposed to very much gay porn before encountering internet people. We thrust actual gay porn, closeups of wrinkly ballsacks, into his face regularly. Maybe he would've hyperventilated before the trolling? Maybe not, and maybe he's reacting dramatically now because he associates the trauma of trolling with gay porn?

It's hard to tell.
 
Was Chris disturbed by male anatomy before you guys trolled him about it? I get why he's afraid of it now after the fact. (and I'm saying you guys loosely because I don't know how involved you were)

They pretty much trolled him about it because he could so easily be made to chimp out hard about it.
 
Basically, I don't believe Chris is this gentleman. I think it's more that Chris used to encounter people talking about dicks or gay stuff, perhaps on TV or movies, then he'd imagine dicks, and shit himself in horror. Chris' ideal world would be free of all male genital parts, including his own.
So basically he wants to live like a cartoon character! (I'm sure that's pretty off-center but I wouldn't put it past certain people who may think that way)

Heh, I kinda want to set up a carnival event "guess the nipple!". It just has a row of nipples sticking out through holes behind a curtain. Nothing else, just the nipple. And you've gotta guess whether it's a man or woman nipple. That'd trigger Chris so fucking hard.
Love that!

Hippies, lots and lots of hippies. I was born in that era, trust me, you didn't miss a thing. But don't worry buddy, I'm here now. Sleep soundly tonight.
It was a great era at least. A lot of great artists came out of that.

That's really freaky. He takes being homophobic to a whole new extreme, although the way you explain it its not really homophobic more just male body-phobic. Thats really weird man, I mean wow.
It's like the perfect world where primary sexual characteristics didn't happen!

It is so weird that Chris is that freaked out by men. You explained it and I do get what you mean, but without truly understanding it. I never seen anything like it and like every guy I'm sure i've met plenty of homophobics. Never just "male-phobics" though.

Chris really needs help in that department too.
He really does.

Yeah, nah, I don't think the principal thing involved any molestation. I think it's more that Chris saw some male nudity as a kid, like a flaccid penis or something, and he just never let go.

Maybe he saw Bob naked or something.
I'm sure any number of instances could've done that, like finding a nude statue out of an encyclopedia.
 
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