Mega Rad Gun Thread

[WelperHelper99]

Anyone have experience with Telaammo? Im considering buying 7.62x39, .45c a round seems great but "produced in Azerbaijan" has me skeptical. I saw some people complain they are actually corrosive but I usually bathe my AKs anyways.

Corrosive ammo comes with 7.62x39mm territory. That's how the Russians made them. Clean the shit out of your AK after shooting it like the Ruskies told you to and your Kalashnakov should be fine.

 

[VorpalAnvil-]

Anyone have experience with Telaammo? Im considering buying 7.62x39, .45c a round seems great but "produced in Azerbaijan" has me skeptical. I saw some people complain they are actually corrosive but I usually bathe my AKs anyways.

From reviews Ive seen it shoots well, if not a little hot. Issue is it was marketed as non corrosive but early batches were in fact corrosive. Im thinking give it another year or so and the stuff coming in will be true non corrosive. I own some but have yet to have a chance to test it out. Maybe buy a box or two off the shelf from the LGS and do a little testing?

 

[break these cuffs]

I've seen them around and my unfounded theory is that they moved a Russian factory to Azerbaijan to beat sanctions. "Tela" even looks like "Tula," I'm convinced it's not a coincidence.

On the topic of ammo, whatever happened to Igman from Bosnia? They used to import tons of stuff and now it's just gone. Did the factory close down? It's not like we ever sanctioned them I don't think. We still get Prvi Partisan from Serbia just fine.
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I still see Igman named in email promos from ammo sellers regularly. It's just not at great prices. I just did a quick look just now and you can get cases of Win/Lake City white box 5.56 for slightly more and Win 9mm white box for a bit less than Igman. If you use ammo search aggregators you might just never see them because they're too far down the list.

 

[EggImpregnator]

Anyone have experience with Telaammo? Im considering buying 7.62x39, .45c a round seems great but "produced in Azerbaijan" has me skeptical. I saw some people complain they are actually corrosive but I usually bathe my AKs anyways.

It's corrosive

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

Gonna be making some burner accounts for Midway to get me some more jew ammo, turns out PMC like ¢1 more rn.....

 

[Akran]

Maybe buy a box or two off the shelf from the LGS and do a little testing?

No one carries it in town, I'll probably just buy a case with all the info given

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

In low light, at distances greater than 20m, and especially re-engaging targets, they are clearly superior to irons. So while not a total game changer, they add enough net positives that I believe they should be integrated into everyone's EDC roster.

One model of RDS I was surprised at the quality of is the Vortex Defender ST. Its lower price point belies its quality. I've also heard the Sig Romeo 3 is also quite good, but that's a lot more expensive. Anyone run one of those?

Speaking of Sig, what do you all think of the P365 Fuse? I have a full size P320 I use for travel because I picked it up cheap and it's so average across the board it's much more expendable than my other pistols. It wouldn't be as cheap but I'm curious if the Fuse would be a better carry option all around.

The P365 Fuse is SIG's plan to eventually only make two semi auto handgun types, the 320 line and the 365 line.

Now they have the 365 going from micro to compact PLUS size and the 320 going from compact to Full size.

Sig made the Fuse because they saw how bad of a reputation the P320 has so they decided to make a full size pistol based on an existing platform that doesn't have issues. I'd rather carry a fuse over a 320. I'd never carry a 320.

It's also their end goal to only make two striker fired handgun platforms and finally kill off the expensive to make P226/229 lineup.

NBC did a puff piece about one of the American Olympic pistol shooters.
She's a soy creature from Massachusetts with a nose ring and lip piercing:

Spoiler: Archive

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Also, her dad is a Russian and Israeli veteran:


She scored 32nd in the qualifiers for Women's 25m Pistol:
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The other American (from Georgia), who looks normal, got 8th in the finals:
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The Olympics used to have live pigeon shooting and dueling, and they used to use rifle calibers for target shooting events. It's sad what passes for shooting there nowadays.

At least she's shooting.

Old Olympic sport shooting was great, the new one uses silly air pistols

As for the girl, she looks pretty normal and it's far as hell or a tranny so we're fine there.

at least people have some interest in the sport at all even if it's being attacked by popular media and society.

Agreed. Better she's into shooting ANYTHING than being the default Masshole dumbass

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

GUYS THE WORLD IS ENDING! WHAT GUN DO I BUY? I've never owned or even shot a gun before, but things are getting so crazy i think I might need one! What gun should I buy as a first time gun owner? My budget is 250$.

10mm high point and the hottest ammo you can find

 

[quaawaa]

With the current events in Britain, now feels like a good time to post some Luty:

A Brief History of British Gun Control​

(or, How to Disarm the Law Abiding Populace by Stealth)​

by P.A. Luty
www.thehomegunsmith.com​

Attribute to The Libertarian Enterprise

In 1900 the British government trusted the people with firearms and to be their own guardians. Prime Minister Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, the Marquess of Salisbury said he would "laud the day when there was a rifle in every cottage in England". However in 1903 Britain passed its first ever "gun control" law, a minor one requiring a permit to carry a handgun and restricting the age of purchasers. It was the first toe over a slippery slope towards complete firearms prohibition.

In 1919 the British government, in fear of communist insurgents and domestic and foreign anarchists, passed its first sweeping anti-gun laws (under the smokescreen of crime control) even though gun related crime was almost non existent in the England of the day. British subjects could now only buy a firearm if they could show "a good reason" for having one and the firearm certificate system that we have today (implemented and abused by police) was introduced. The 1920 gun control act was the beginning of the end for private firearms ownership in England. So much for Robert Gascoyne-Cecil's remarks of "a rifle in every cottage in England" being a laudable goal.

In 1936 short barrelled shotguns (such as shot pistols used for ratting) and fully automatic firearms were outlawed. Why? Not because such firearms were ever misused but because the government dictated that civilians had "no legitimate reason" for owning them. Where have we heard that before! Another slide down the slippery slope. The reasoning has now changed from the government NEEDING TO SHOW REASONS FOR THE RESTRICTIONS to the people NEEDING TO SHOW REASONS TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHTS, to a government TELLING them that there was NO ACCEPTABLE REASON.

The English Bill of Rights states "That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence, suitable to their condition and as allowed by law" Sir William Blackstone, commenting on this in his Commentaries on the laws of England said, "The fifth and last auxiliary RIGHT of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defence, suitable to their condition, and as allowed by law, which is also declared by the same statute IW & M ft.2c.2 and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression". I wonder what happened to "the natural RIGHT of resistance and self preservation" (from domestic criminals and out of control governments). Have not the "sanctions of society and laws" been shown "insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression"?

In 1936 the government added a "safe storage" requirement on the owners of handguns and rifles to "prevent the guns falling into the wrong hands" Where have we heard that one before, and how often do the British police use that particular requirement to harass what is left of the British gun owning community?

As a direct consequence of the 1920 gun control act, not only did Britain not have "a rifle in every cottage" but they had to ask American citizens to send them every type of rifle and handgun at the outbreak of WWII, so British people would have some means of defending their homes and islands against the Nazi hordes massing across the English Channel. Americans responded by sending every type of firearm to the unarmed and helpless people of Britain. No surprise, but at the end of the war the British people did not get to keep the guns, the government seized many of them back and dumped them in the sea. Such was the British government's gratitude to the American public and distrust of their own people.

In 1946 "self defence" was no longer considered a good reason for requiring a police issued firearms certificate. The slippery slope got even steeper.

In 1953 carrying any type of weapon for self defence was made illegal, making the streets even safer for the criminal element and giving great "crime control" soundbites to the police and press.

In 1967 a chap by the name of Harry Roberts blasted three policemen to death in a London street using a 9mm Luger pistol and the British government restricted shotguns for the very first time. Try to figure out the logic... handgun used... shotguns licensed for the first time in British history. Opportunistic, or am I just being a cynical bastard?

In 1982 black powder muzzle loader shooters and handloaders were required to allow police inspection of their security arrangements to ensure "safe storage" of the powder they possessed, meaning that agents of the state could demand entry into an Englishman's home at any time of day or night without a warrant.

In 1988 all semi-automatic rifles were banned, including pump action rifles. The personal property of law abiding people was once again outlawed and seized. All the guns were registered and easy to find, that is to say, all the legally held ones.

In 1996 all handguns were banned and they too were all registered with the agents of the state. Well, need I say more? You get the picture. Also in 1996 carrying any knife with a blade longer than 3 inches was made illegal. Presumably one cannot stab someone to death with a three inch knife. You now had to show "good reason" for carrying a knife, the presumption of innocence, until proven guilty of a crime, was gone.

In England today you cannot carry any type of weapon for self defence and you cannot use a firearm to defend your home, family, or property. The gun and weapon laws have made crime safe for criminals and the other violent thugs and miscreants who infest our country today.

In 2006 the government passed the Violent Crime Reduction Act. The VCRA restricted all "realistic" toy/replica guns. Now Britons were not to be trusted with even imitation non-firing replicas. "Violent crime reduction" was once again used as the smokescreen to enact oppressive laws and deprive the law abiding of their property. As part of the VCRA an airgun can no longer be purchased by mail order and the name and address of the purchaser must be registered with the seller. Is the bigger picture now getting clearer?

In 2009 talks with the British government were started to devolve airgun laws to the Scottish parliament. If and when the Scottish parliament is given the power over airgun legislation the Parliament has vowed to ban the sale of all airguns in Scotland. In the coming years, England will follow the Scottish example and airgun registration and an eventual licensing system will follow. The slippery slope is now in a vertical freefall.

Am I suggesting that there has been some nefarious plan all along to disarm and subjugate the British people? Yes, partly. I am also suggesting that this is a cycle of government behaviour long recognised, one we should be paying attention to, and breaking. We KNOW what governments do; they acquire power at the expense of the governed. They do it slowly, almost imperceptibly, and usually for nefarious reasons and political expediency.

You can always rely on your Expedient Homemade Firearms book though, can't you? They would not dare to ban books, would they? Oh yes, it's already started.

Don't say I didn't warn you.
​

"All that is required for evil
to prosper is for good men to do nothing"​

For the "terrible crime" of constructing a machine-gun and writing his book Expedient Homemade Firearms—The 9mm Machine Gun Mr. Luty was sentenced to four years imprisonment—plus one year for possession of six cartridges! Although the judge said he accepted there was no criminal intent in constructing the weapon, he would make an example of Mr. Luty as a warning to others.

In prison his original low security classification was upgraded two levels (to high security) in the space of a few weeks, and throughout his incarceration he was vilified by the authorities, who of course, "new better" than professionally qualified people. They regarded him as a potential psychopath because of his refusal to toe the line and agree with the official views on gun ownership.

Two prison psychiatrists interviewed Mr. Luty and issued reports saying he was not mentally ill, and was a person of high morals and had never shown himself to be a threat to the public.

He is currently banned from accessing the Internet and awaiting trial on new charges of contributing to terrorism by writing his books.

Visit his currently modest website (the old one has been expediently taken down for a while) at www.thehomegunsmith.com​

Source (Archive)

Some pictures from his website (archive):


Here's his most famous book:

 

[EggImpregnator]

Billy britbongs into buying 3d printers and manufacturing firearms.

 

[crab fucker]

Anyone have experience with Telaammo? Im considering buying 7.62x39, .45c a round seems great but "produced in Azerbaijan" has me skeptical. I saw some people complain they are actually corrosive but I usually bathe my AKs anyways.

It's gonna be corrosive, but that's not exactly unusual. You can flush the barrel and chamber out with boiled water when you come home after shooting. Not the easiest thing to do on your own though, so you know, be careful. I believe Ballistol breaks down corrosive remnants in the firearm, so I think you can do a 10% Ballistol: Water solution if you wanted to be sure.

 

[Club Sandwich]

believe Ballistol breaks down corrosive remnants in the firearm, so I think you can do a 10% Ballistol: Water solution if you wanted to be sure.

the corrosive salts used in corrosive primers are best flushed with near-boiling water. ballistol is good to neutralize the salts (since it's slightly alkaline) but ultimately you want to flush the rifle of the salts. ammonia-based solvents will directly dissolve the salts, but can leave residue that would need to be cleaned out anyway. ammonia solvents are Hoppe's #9 or the like. you might prefer one method or the other depending on cost or if it's very cold/hot/rainy, et c.

Spoiler: stuff

just remember chemically what's going on: the oxidizing element (potassium chlorate) in the primer, during ignition, is what is being spread through the hot exhaust gases with each shot. some areas are very clean due to high pressure but salt in general will flash-adhere under heat and pressure to most materials. when atmospheric moisture is encountered, the salt attracts the oxygen and creates potassium and chlorates which is corrosive in itself even without the salt helping it to attract and hold water. it is the chlorates and moisture that is being held against the steel which can result in pitting rust over time. chrome or other treatments, liners, plating, et c can really reduce this effect, but it isn't perfect. because hot water will dissolve the salt, lift, and carry it out, a hot water flush works best to remove corrosive salt from the bore. if you don't have hot water, then a petroleum distillate (or aqueous oil emulsion with carrier like ballistol) can work to neutralize the salt and possibly flush it with a mop. ammonia and some other similar compounds directly and effectively neutralizes and dissolves the acidic salt and draws out the chlorine and is flushed out with the rest of the solution, leaving just potassium which is easy flushed with just about anything including the ammonia solvent itself.

regardless, after a hot water flush, ballistol scrub, ammonia scrub, you need to clean and then immediately apply a thin coat of oil to the bore are all the previous methods will generally remove any protective carbon or oil films.

 

[DocAwe]

I've been told Windex is also good for neutralizing corrosive ammo residue .
Never tried it though.

 

[Preacher ✝]

I've been told Windex is also good for neutralizing corrosive ammo residue .
Never tried it though.

Source:

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

regardless, after a hot water flush, ballistol scrub, ammonia scrub, you need to clean and then immediately apply a thin coat of oil to the bore are all the previous methods will generally remove any protective carbon or oil films.

this is why i avoid corrosive ammo like the plague. Cleanup it a PITA. I also avoid bare steel barrels too. Nitride or chrome line that shit goddamn it isn't 1850 anymore.

I run a Bore snake down my barrels 2-3x after I put some ballistol down them.

Only ones that I solvent swab, ballistol, then oil are bolt guns or antiques (My Mosin and M1)

Ballistol is technically a CLP (a primitive one). Oil.....Slip 2k or Slip 2k EWL. Bore solvent = Hoppe's

 

[EggImpregnator]

Why even bother with corrosive ammo? I'm a busy man. I'd rather spend the money on non corrosive stuff and not have to immediately strip down my gun and poor boiling water everywhere. I don't even like to clean my gun to begin with.

My AR before and after last time i cleaned itView attachment foto_no_exif (38).jpg

 

[break these cuffs]

I've been told Windex is also good for neutralizing corrosive ammo residue .
Never tried it though.

Windex has ammonia in it. It's why it smells and also why they started pushing ammonia free version over the last 5-10 years.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

PA Luty was pretty bad-assed for a Brit. I need to state the same places and even before sold Luty's book like Paladin press (now out of business) were selling US authored books on everything from FA conversions for AR's to HK' to AK's to making binary homemade explosives and 101 other things. Bill Holmes wrote some great books on redneck engineering your own toys.

there was also Gerald Metral's infamous book that gave the BATFE panic attacks for years.



Digital copies of these books are not hard to find but if you don't know how to use a lathe and a mill they wont do you much good.

 

[Samhain]

My AR before and after last time i cleaned itView attachment 6276071

Man, that's nothing. Get a suppressor, fire 1k rounds and then crack it open and take a look.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

when i shot corrosive ammo in my mosin i only ever did the boiling water thing once or twice. my usual method was to just soak a bore brush in hoppes #9 and scrub out the bore really well. i then followed up with a couple of patches with the same #9. i would then follow up with dry patches until they came out spotless.

wasnt too bad, i would just put on an episode of an old tv show. only took a few minutes to do this. so far after 18 years or so i still have a nice bore to my mosin.