Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Megatardingo]

I'm gonna be honest this war's kind of embarrassing you can tell they're both newbies because they cannot end the match without a concede. Just gg bro.

 

[Snekposter]

There's people on this site who say that anime tranny is a reliable analyst.

They're not just a Touhou fag, they're even worse, a Cirnofag.

Not really a good idea. A nuclear reactor isn't something you can just turn on and off. Its always on even when its off. An offline reactor is less a sleeping cat and more a tiger that has been collared and is held in place by a bit string tied to a wooden stake in the ground. The reaction does not stop completely. Its just very tightly controlled and requires lots of external power to keep continuous amounts of coolant flowing. Its the one issue with nuclear power. Its more economical to keep the thing on all the time. The only time its "off" is when the reactor rods are completely depleted and need to be replaced. And even then they need to be put in a retaining pool with constant rotation of fresh coolant.

Setting a bunch of retards loose in the facility to "smash shit" is a good recipe for bad things™ to happen.

Yeah, my bad, I was assuming this was something safe and sane like a Western design where they could wreck everything in the plant itself save for the backup cooling system and everything would be fine (and force Putin to rebuild the whole thing before powering the pile back up), but no, this is a Russian design so the minute they touch anything its at risk of exploding.

Some people have already started making joke flags for the new Kurskayan People's Republic:

And of course...

Steal his look:



As for some actual info:
https://archive.ph/WH8rB

Russian blame game heats up as Ukraine’s special military operation riles Putin​

Turns out nobody wants to be the one at fault.

 

[Optimus Prime]

We currently live in the Ace Combat universe, actually.
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Source: https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1823084244757049398

I feel like that's just trying to give Russia bait to declare this all-out war.

I'm gonna be honest this war's kind of embarrassing you can tell they're both newbies because they cannot end the match without a concede. Just gg bro.

Ukraine wants the war to end, it's Putin who absolutely refuses to back down from a war being fought for literally no reason other than his obsession with trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm gonna be honest this war's kind of embarrassing you can tell they're both newbies because they cannot end the match without a concede. Just gg bro.

They can't end it because neither side is in a position to GG. Both are perfectly capable of continuing the war, and the political/military situation as it exists today is unacceptable to both sides. So the war continues. Russia is not in control of all the territory is has supposedly annexed into glorious Russian Federation, and Ukraine has not pushed Russia back at least to the pre 2022 starting point. Which at a minimum is the position both sides for now want before they consider ending things.

 

[Megatardingo]

They can't end it because neither side is in a position to GG. Both are perfectly capable of continuing the war, and the political/military situation as it exists today is unacceptable to both sides. So the war continues.

I've played enough risk to know this is wrong the australian deathstack is coming any minute now.

 

[mindlessobserver]

They're not interested in freezing conflict into what each side currently holds?
Shocking.

And that's the real end goal of the Kursk invasion. Would Ukraine like to blast through the Oblast and outflank the Kharkiv front, so they can party in western Russia like its 1942? Absolutely. More realistically though, the goal is to seize a huge slice of the Russian Federation, put it under hostile foreign occupation and then repel Russian efforts to dislodge the Ukrainian Army. Even if there is a sudden shift in the West to start pushing hard for peace talks, what would there be to talk about? Ukraine would say it would happily trade Kursk for Kherson as the most glaring example. I don't want to do a US Civil War Threadjack again, but...this was precisely the calculation of the CSA when they invaded the USA in 1863. They were slowly losing even if they were punching way above their weight in the war. They needed some sort of decisive change in circumstances to convince outside powers they were still viable and to make the war effort politically unviable domestically for the enemy government. Of course it blew up in their face. There is a huge risk involved here and make no mistake.

 

[draggs]

I think Ukraine wants to grab as much of Holy Mother Moskal as it can and hold it long as it can to get more weapons gibs from the West. Taking enough land and holding it to the point where Putin is forced to gib the 1991 borders to get it back is kinda 1 million percent unrealistic

 

[World in Scarlet]

Speaking of Chernobyl, I highly recommend this guy's channel. I may have suggested it before, but it's still worthwhile.

That channel is great, I've been watching it for a while.

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the Russian army and police are breaking into and looting abandoned homes in Belgorod

When the sanitary zone was established (as Putin said it would be, despite the naysayers in this thread), the governor said that the army will protect the property of the people who are deported.
Could be worse, there's deadly traffic accidents involving the military every week in Belgorod now.

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The locals who stayed behind in Kursk are already used to the new regime.​

- Guys, can you give us a ride?
- We have no place, honestly, we have ammunition there
- Okay, we'll go slowly then
- But you speak Ukrainian.
- I'm not Ukrainian, but I speak Ukrainian.
- Glory to Ukraine!
- Glory!

Ukrainian fighters on the Wings of Nakhtigal telegram channel (https://t.me/ptah_ngl) posted a touching dialog with elderly women in the Kursk region. The grandmothers showed real life wisdom and did not "voluntarily evacuate" because they know that a Ukrainian soldier will never offend his own.

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Unlike the Russians, apparently.
I saw a collection of clips that was titled "Ukrainians looting", and it showed Ukrainian soldiers moving from house to house without taking anything. As per usual, the people who post this garbage expect their cattle's attention to not last beyond the headline.

Video from the phone of an orc in the Kursk region

What happened to him - dead or in captivity, we do not know. It is interesting in another way. At first, he laments that they ruined the hut, and we can assume that he feels sorry for his native land, where the war came, and the local population, which he protects.

However, after a while, he sighs sadly, complaining that there is nothing left to take here, because the " Ministry of Defense" has been here before them. At the same time, he notes that the guys are in the garage, and there "the garage is rich".

In general, the Russian soldier does not care where to maraud - at their own or strangers.

We really hope that the zone of hostilities will expand as far as possible across Russia, so that civilians will feel the difference between what they hear on TV about "Russian warrior-liberator" and the reality.

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Another looting report is from this telegram. It's usually mostly right, but shouldn't be relied on, as it glows.

In the border districts of Kursk Region, where fighting has been going on all week, there are no police, firefighters, medics or representatives of the administration. According to official information, more than 76,000 people have left the settlements (most of them left on their own, as there was no organized evacuation, contrary to the authorities' statements), but there are still people, mostly elderly. The emptying of villages and hamlets has become a catalyst for rampant looting.

"Shops are being looted, there's a collapse in Korenevo, Magnet has just been torn down. No water, no gas, no light. There was no organized evacuation, and if there was, why haven't we in Lobanivka [Korenevo district] heard anything about it?" writes a local resident. The situation is similar in other border municipalities. Kurians are sure that the administration representatives, leaving people to their fate, have themselves provoked a collapse in the border districts.

At present, the administration of Korenevsky district of Kursk region cannot be reached. People are forced to self-organize in order to protect themselves and their property and essentially perform the functions of state and law enforcement agencies.

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Russian milbloggers are really scraping the barrel for content.
Cougar MRAPs that were hit by Iskander on the first day, and abandoned are now bombed again, reportedly with FAB-500 with UMPK kits, still sitting in the same place.
This embarrassment is considered worth posting to hundreds of thousands of people.

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Budanov couldn't accept a rare W (suicidal PR ops on his command are a meme), but had to send a specops team to their death in a pointless coastal raid in the South too, but he's lucky that that's getting completely overshadowed by Kursk. A complete waste in every sense of the word.

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The US have NOT allowed Ukraine to target Russian air fields, and so the VKS is a big issue for Ukrainian soldiers.

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The US remains Russia's steadfast ally.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

I wonder if someone in the Russian Army has had the smart idea to start blowing up the civilian gas stations. All that sweet sweet fuel and food just sitting there, ripe for the taking of any Ukrainian column that happens to drive by.

Of course they have thought of that. Scorched Earth is and always has been one of the main crutches of Russian military doctorine. They suck ass on a tactical scale, so they know they can always rely on retreating to Muscovy, destroying all supplies/infrastructure on the way back and letting the attacker die from the elements.

Last I saw was someone on Twitter post the Kremlin was going to refuse peace talks with Ukraine now over this.

Of course they don't want to negotiate now. The Kremlin only wanted negotiations when Ukraine had nothing to offer them. Now Ukraine does have something to offer and it's getting more valuable every passing day. Not Crimea valuable, but we'll see how big this incursion gets.

 

[Ghostse]

Could also be a problem with material. Ukraine got a critical hit on that airfield when this invasion started, blowing up a LOT of ordinance and a few precious combat planes besides. Drones are fucking taking down helicopters and goddamn warships. MANPADS(?) are also blowing planes out of the sky if they even think about getting close to the front lines.

And right before that, they offlined 4 Su-34s (about 1/30th of the total Russia paper inventory, so likely about 1/15th of the total airworthy inventory and 1/10 to 1/5 of the in-theater airframes) which is Russia's primary airsupport platform.

Though granted given how the Russian airforce has been performing Ukraine is probably kicking themselves doing that. That's more planes that could be bombing Russian reinforcements.

I am an ignoramus about power delivery, but one thought is that since Russia has been wrecking Ukraine's power infra for 2.5 years, possibly Ukraine could redirect power from the Kursk NPP to themselves.

Short answer is no.
Longer answer is No unless they a shit ton of work & intrastructure over 40+km of hostile territory.

People who claim 4 figure numbers of soldiers likely add up the maximum theoretical sizes of all brigades of which elements were spotted or mentioned.

Concur. OSINT also doesn't count that vehicles but maybe not crews (or not full crews) may have been transferred, and markings not updated.

Watching DW.

They are saying its up to around 5 Ukrainian Brigades at this point. So this is most definitely not a raid or incursion. Its developing into a full on invasion. The question now is, is that true and is Russia sending enough forces to the area to deal with it. These are looking to be Ukraines pipe hitters, as far as the units involved go. Trying to send some lightly armed 18 year old conscripts on their 2 year national service up against them would be like leading lambs to slaughter.

I didn't have "Seige of Kiev turns into Sack of Moscow" on my bingo card but looks like we're headed that way.

I wouldn't be surprised if Putin commits suicide with a bullet to the back head.

Stumbles and falls out of a window at the top of the only 5 story building in town.

Ukraine wants the war to end, it's Putin who absolutely refuses to back down from a war being fought for literally no reason other than his obsession with trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.

But didn't you know comrade? Putin can't end the war or Russia would be sharing boarders with a NATO country.

I think Ukraine wants to grab as much of Holy Mother Moskal as it can and hold it long as it can to get more weapons gibs from the West. Taking enough land and holding it to the point where Putin is forced to gib the 1991 borders to get it back is kinda 1 million percent unrealistic

Ukraine is just hitting Russia where they weren't looking. Basically the most recent Kharkiv "naked" offensive but Ukraine has functional logistics so was able to pull it off with armor instead of sending a bunch of retards intot he woods with a rifle and a chinese golfcart. Russia is having to scramble units and there is very likely to be some some shit happening in the Kremlin were I'm pretty sure we're going to have a couple of suicides with two different calibers of guns.

Their safe space is on the brink of [ ... ] a pogrom against the Jews.

Based.

 

[World in Scarlet]

Kursk region: AFU soldiers and fighting geese from American biolabs.​

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Joke, it's not Kursk. It is American bioweapons though.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Kursk region: AFU soldiers and fighting geese from American biolabs.​

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Joke, it's not Kursk. It is American bioweapons though.

I actually love this video. And not just because of the geese. The discerning eye notices things. Plebes see the geese marching with the UAF. Patricians notice that even while road marching into the Russian countryside the Ukrainian soldiers are instinctually matching their strides so that they are all putting the left foot and right foot down at the same time. That is a good way to differentiate trained soldiers from a mob. Those guys have had their training so pounded into their heads they literally cannot turn it off.

 

[KonradCruise]

I actually love this video. And not just because of the geese. The discerning eye notices things. Plebes see the geese marching with the UAF. Patricians notice that even while road marching into the Russian countryside the Ukrainian soldiers are instinctually matching their strides so that they are all putting the left foot and right foot down at the same time. That is a good way to differentiate trained soldiers from a mob. Those guys have had their training so pounded into their heads they literally cannot turn it off.

People of similar stature all walking as a coherent group will naturally be striding together, normal people also instinctively match pacing pretty lockstep with others without even realizing it, it is an entirely subconscious reaction unless you are 4'3 trying to match with someone much taller.

 

[mindlessobserver]

People of similar stature all walking as a coherent group will naturally be striding together, normal people also instinctively match pacing pretty lockstep with others without even realizing it, it is an entirely subconscious reaction unless you are 4'3 trying to match with someone much taller.

Citation needed. My experience has been large groups of people walking like that require at least of week of shouting and screaming to get to that to that point. They don't just do it "naturally". And especially not in a casual setting.

 

[World in Scarlet]

The first official public recognition of the fact that the Russian Federation lost territories during the Kursk operation.​

The self-proclaimed governor of the Kursk region, Alexey Smirnov, reported to Putin that 28 settlements were already under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The depth of penetration was 12 km, the width was 40 km. The fate of about two thousand residents of the region remains unknown.

Russia with its "second army of the world" was unable to resist a carefully prepared operation and for the first time since 1941 was forced to announce to the entire astonished world the loss of its territories.

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[mindlessobserver]

Russian BMP being wasted by a Ukrainian IFV in the Russian town of Giri. I can't tell if its a Bradley, but I think its a Bradley blowing up a Russian BMP in Russia.

 

[3-2-1836]

I asked a genuine question in the Russian thread

What has Russia gained in the 15 months since Groznying Bakhmut

Apparently Russia may take some random town less than 25km from Bakhmut across open farmland so why is it taking so long?

In their words, a large natural border, has stopped the Russian army from advancing for 15 months.

The large natural border is a 15 meter wide irrigation ditch

Does the Russian army have zero bridge laying equipment?

 

[mindlessobserver]

I asked a genuine question in the Russian thread

What has Russia gained in the 15 months since Groznying Bakhmut

Apparently Russia may take some random town less than 25km from Bakhmut across open farmland so why is it taking so long?

In their words, a large natural border, has stopped the Russian army from advancing for 15 months.

The large natural border is a 15 meter wide irrigation ditch

Does the Russian army have zero bridge laying equipment?

Contrary to what team Z says, Russia actually can't carpet bomb Ukraine at will. Their "restraint" is not restraint at all. Its incapability. Ukraine was the Soviet Union's frontline against NATO. What this meant in practice was not just the USSR staging Nukes in Ukraine, it also staged the vast majority of the USSR's Air Defense Artillery. This led to an interesting result. While the Russian federation inherited the vast majority of the USSR's mechanized forces, Ukraine inherited the vast majority of the USSR's Air Defense. This is why even at the start of the war the VDV and the Russian columns had to go in without close air support. Because they knew that even shitty 1960 era ADA systems would absolutely wreck their aircraft.

This has been the only advantage Ukraine has had overall since the war began and is why even Russian Strategic Bombers are forced to launch strikes from well within Russian territory. It also means the front line ground war has become World War 1 tier because the Russian Army needs to advance without air support. As consequence they suffer stupendous losses because Air Power is the modern solution that should prevent a war turning into a trench warfare slog. But the Russian Air Force does not have the capability to degrade the Ukrainian Air Defense network, and since the Ukrainians started getting Stingers and Patriots, the whole idea of it is essentially impossible at this point.

Which is why an Irrigation Ditch of sufficient width actually IS a major obstacle. Russia cannot drive tanks over it, and any bridging equipment they bring foreword would get shelled by the Ukrainian Army or bombed by the Ukrainian Air Force. They also can't force the Ukrainians back because the Russian Air Force can't get close enough, and is forced to resort to inaccurate glide bombs.

 

[Ghostse]

I asked a genuine question in the Russian thread

What has Russia gained in the 15 months since Groznying Bakhmut

Apparently Russia may take some random town less than 25km from Bakhmut across open farmland so why is it taking so long?

In their words, a large natural border, has stopped the Russian army from advancing for 15 months.

The large natural border is a 15 meter wide irrigation ditch

Does the Russian army have zero bridge laying equipment?

The natural border is a 15 meter ditch but in the Bakhmut direction the Surovikin line is well behind the (ruins of) the town. Bakhmut is on a hill, but Kievward from it it drops into a low lands before rising again; the Ukrainian military controls the high lands overlooking it, as well as the area to the north and south, to the point they are still launching counter attacks on the (ruins) town.

This means that even if you got an attack across said ditch, they would be cut off by artillery and the main line of defense (and supply concentration) would be well to the rear.

Additionally, as I said during the battle: Control of Bakhmut was more vital for Russia than Ukraine. When you are trying to hold the Donbros, Bakhmut was a hard point Ukraine could use to launch stikes into the the Russian front and otherwise limit supplies. As far as advancing out, its just step one of about 500 to trying to push to Kiev.

Anyway, to answer your question: No, they have no bridging equipment.
Other than moblik corpses, I mean. Smekalka, comrade.

 

[3-2-1836]

It's amazing how I ask in the pro Ukraine thread and I get a concise answer and tactical breakdown of the battlefield as to why it's so hard for Russia to advance.

In the Russian thread I just get told this canal is too big for Russia to pass but that the Ukrainian frontline is collapsing.