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I always think what if the right got together and started ironically worshiping Hitler to do the same sort of shit that Satanism does to Christianity but only to Gay Race Communism, how would the left react? That's the exact level of freakout I give to Satanism.
It's called esoteric hitlerism and it was done back in the 1950s by savitri Devi a crazy French woman who went to India and declared Hitler the second incarnation of vishnu.
 
People will do anything to justify cool SMGs like the MP5 (i understand! they are cool and in movies!). All the complaints about "muh ammo reliability" ignore that roller delayed blowbacks are very picky with loads and suppressors, and parts need to be changed when you switch ammo. On top of that, MP5s are infamous for being picky about hollowpoints. A modern direct impingement SBR will be noticeably more reliable in nearly every way with various loads/suppressors.

The MP5 is still a solid gun and nothing to complain about, but it's 100% obsolescent. The Honey Badger was designed solely to outdo the MP5 in every way, such as weight, length, size, range, power, accuracy, and capability. Price wise, they're close enough that it doesn't really matter in a military situation.
Ammo doesn't really matter that much, as if you can make 9mm or 5.56 cheap you could totally do that with .300 if you wanted to. Idk what the US military uses for ammo, but I'm sure that some countries produce their own .300 for mil/le use.
.300 dominates in the AR/MP5 body size category, but to make 9mm better you'd simply just use a more size efficient gun, such as the B&T MP9 or whatever else they make. Mag in grip is pretty much the best way to run 9, as why not save on space? I don't really see any other decent SMGs/PDWs being developed besides B&T. Probably because of how useful they are for average people, quantity needed for mil/LE, and hoops to jump through to even get one as a civilian.

10mm or a super hot .45 would be pretty sweet for an SMG, but that'd be a trade-off of gun vs gear capacity. Because of the diameter vs length of the cases, the .300 gets you better gun capacity but less on-body capacity because they're longer. Alternatively

The people that actually need and use SMGs and PDW/CQB guns seem to have their shit figured out and seem happy with it, using 9mm, shorty 5.56, .300/7.62, or 5.7/4.6. They all seem to kill people well enough, and past a point you're splitting hypothetical hairs.
 
The problem with pistol rounds in automatic weapons always comes back to the fact that blowback actions beat the shit out of firearms (even worse when talking 10mm and +P), yet they don’t seem to have the gas to spare to run a piston/DI setup.

Rifle rounds gets you around this and technological advances have made it feasible to shoot a rifle round out of a 7-9” barrel.
 
The MP5 is still a solid gun and nothing to complain about, but it's 100% obsolescent. The Honey Badger was designed solely to outdo the MP5 in every way, such as weight, length, size, range, power, accuracy, and capability.
I really wonder if theres ever been a situation where someone using one of those in a combat situation has gone oh shit cover is blown let me unload this mag load a different mag and switch optics.
 
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I really wonder if theres ever been a situation where someone using one of those in a combat situation has gone oh shit cover is blown let me unload this mag load a different mag and switch optics.
I'm sure it's happened, but that's not really the way you'd want to think about it.
You'd maybe use 1-2 mags of subs to begin with, and once stealth wears out you'd use better performing supers. I know that you'll have a POI shift, but if you sight for supers and run subs at close range you'll still do good in most cases, unless you have some insane shift or push the subs out far.

I think that the role that any SMG/PCC/PDW or any other CQB gun is more limited than you'd expect. Sure, they may get used a lot, but only by a somewhat limited number of people.
Most times it's really not much more work to carry a rifle, or to step back and have a pistol instead, since smaller form guns are always making compromises.
Stealth and such is good and all, but it seems that this stuff is primarily used for urban situations. There's just no way for a team of guys to rush a place, take people out, and be quiet about it. Stomping, crashing, and even bullet impacts are loud as shit, and you'd know something was going on for sure.
Like I said, it has it's uses, but they're fewer and less frequent than you're lead to believe, especially as a regular dude.
 
You'd maybe use 1-2 mags of subs to begin with, and once stealth wears out you'd use better performing supers. I know that you'll have a POI shift, but if you sight for supers and run subs at close range you'll still do good in most cases, unless you have some insane shift or push the subs out far.
I think there were a few different red dot manufacturers that put out a double dot system so you could sight in one for supers and one for subs. Sig romeo 9t and maybe some shot show specials.
 
I think there were a few different red dot manufacturers that put out a double dot system so you could sight in one for supers and one for subs. Sig romeo 9t and maybe some shot show specials.
Yeah, but I wouldn't even really consider those due to the price. I only imagine super high speed guys running those things, just too much money for your average soldier.

Can't wait for knockoffs to come out though, that'd be sick if you wanted to swap between training and fancy ammo, or even swap calibers/guns if you're able to switch between profiles
 
It's called esoteric hitlerism and it was done back in the 1950s by savitri Devi a crazy French woman who went to India and declared Hitler the second incarnation of vishnu.
You could argue that the post-1945 civic religion of the US is a form of esoteric Hitlerism, where a mortal man is revered as the god of evil.
 
I really wonder if theres ever been a situation where someone using one of those in a combat situation has gone oh shit cover is blown let me unload this mag load a different mag and switch optics.
I'm sure it's happened, but that's not really the way you'd want to think about it.
You'd maybe use 1-2 mags of subs to begin with, and once stealth wears out you'd use better performing supers. I know that you'll have a POI shift, but if you sight for supers and run subs at close range you'll still do good in most cases, unless you have some insane shift or push the subs out far.
People were joking about running 2 aimpoints instead of that 3,000 sig optic. Though apparently real operators just run two lasers, one zeroed for supers and one for subs.
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