Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

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It's a combination of the three, plus CN not having a big breakout hit show since (depending on how you look at it) Steven Universe. Say what you will about that show (I know I have), but as far as my memory can recall, that was the last CN original show to really have some sort of cultural impact and be a success for the network.

Since then, nothing's come close to it, Regular Show, or Adventure Time. OK KO showed promise early on, but then it ended up falling into quite a few of the traps that CN shows post-Steven fall into, and it was cancelled after only 2 seasons.

For the record, Steven premiered in November 2013 and really exploded in popularity in March 2015. We are coming up on 10 years since then.
Right, I remember on the Hazbin thread how it was during that timeframe of Steven Universe's fame it was that Tumblr gave the hope to many aspiring writers to get things done and build their fandoms there, so I see what you mean. It's on a stale production.

I wonder if all ideas have been ran down to the ground? I'd honestly think about something influenced by Cow & Chicken, borrowing some ideas by Ed, Edd 'n Eddy - but with a more original plot. I think that would be a potential show that could revive CN. Then again, I wonder if people want something with more lore...
 
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I swear. I can't be the only one who noticed as soon as Bluey started pandering to the LGBTQCP with one throw away line. The whole adult bluey fandom reached levels of autism it took Bronies years to reach. The question is how soon until the adult bluey fandom is as hated as the Brony fandom? The bluey fandom fandom already has an Equestria daily.
 
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I swear. I can't be the only one who noticed as soon as Bluey started pandering to the LGBTQCP with one throw away line. The whole adult bluey fandom reached levels of autism it took Bronies years to reach. The question is how soon until the adult bluey fandom is as hated as the Brony fandom? The bluey fandom fandom already has an Equestria daily.
That's nothing short of horrifying. "Bluey News", fuck's sake. And I recall that there was one "faggot" """marriage"""" scene and suddenly it became LGHDTV+, and then everyone clapped, wasn't it?

I guess the creators got the fans they fucking deserve. They strayed off course and there you go.
 
I wonder if all ideas have been ran down to the ground? I'd honestly think about something influenced by Cow & Chicken, borrowing some ideas by Ed, Edd 'n Eddy - but with a more original plot. I think that would be a potential show that could revive CN. Then again, I wonder if people want something with more lore...
There are all kinds of good ideas out there, both episodic and story-driven, wacky and serious, for all demographics, but the problem is studios only hire from one stagnant pool of artists.

They gotta have enough disposable income to go to college, the idealism to pursue art, and a locality to southern California where the industry is (or a willingness to relocate to it.) That's why Calarts is as big as it is; it's in the back yard of the major studios, and people from Calarts hire other Calarts grads. As a result you end up with 5000 of the same person, an upper class liberal who's never had a hard day in their life and wants to tell stories about genderfluid queerplatonic pals going on dramatic, fanfic-like coming of age stories in a world vaguely parodying 2000s anime, harry potter, or whatever else they liked as a kid.

If you gave someone who never had a chance the kind of money and resources to pitch a cartoon, you'd come up with some insane shit. A mechanic from Ohio could pitch you Primal, a teacher in Minnesota could make the next Sesame Street, weebs all over the nation have the potential to make a cartoon at least half as good as any of those short-lived sports anime like Yuri on Ice or Free!, but none of them have the money and privilege to even think about getting into the industry, let alone the attitude/politics to tolerate their potential coworkers.
 
There are all kinds of good ideas out there, both episodic and story-driven, wacky and serious, for all demographics, but the problem is studios only hire from one stagnant pool of artists.

They gotta have enough disposable income to go to college, the idealism to pursue art, and a locality to southern California where the industry is (or a willingness to relocate to it.) That's why Calarts is as big as it is; it's in the back yard of the major studios, and people from Calarts hire other Calarts grads. As a result you end up with 5000 of the same person, an upper class liberal who's never had a hard day in their life and wants to tell stories about genderfluid queerplatonic pals going on dramatic, fanfic-like coming of age stories in a world vaguely parodying 2000s anime, harry potter, or whatever else they liked as a kid.

If you gave someone who never had a chance the kind of money and resources to pitch a cartoon, you'd come up with some insane shit. A mechanic from Ohio could pitch you Primal, a teacher in Minnesota could make the next Sesame Street, weebs all over the nation have the potential to make a cartoon at least half as good as any of those short-lived sports anime like Yuri on Ice or Free!, but none of them have the money and privilege to even think about getting into the industry, let alone the attitude/politics to tolerate their potential coworkers.
That's very true. I guess when it comes to looking in introspect and how my own creativity and how I have a hard time to think of something, I have difficulties with it (and I really hate it. Not that I'm pretentious to think I'll be the next big thing, mind you, but I wish I would be able to think of something - much like how thee guys and gals are able to think of amazing ideas.

And you are on point: people who are unwilling to work hard, just want to talk about """repressed sexuality""" and work with creeps - it becomes a very hard envoirnment to work on.
 
I swear. I can't be the only one who noticed as soon as Bluey started pandering to the LGBTQCP with one throw away line. The whole adult bluey fandom reached levels of autism it took Bronies years to reach. The question is how soon until the adult bluey fandom is as hated as the Brony fandom? The bluey fandom fandom already has an Equestria daily.
>Make a cartoon
>Refuse to include any gay stuff in it
>See who sues you
 
I wish I would be able to think of something
It takes practice, but when you study storytelling and consume media that inspires you, you get better at coming up with stories you'd want to tell. The real secret is finding something you're passionate about - a setting you want to explore, themes you want to discuss and dissect, experiences you've had and wisdom you wish to impart, things you think are cool as hell.

There's an episode of Bojack Horseman about this very thing, if I'm not mistaken. Diane wants to write an autobiography so that other kids like her can benefit from her life, but she just can't make her trauma interesting enough. She ends up writing this fictional story about a teenage girl who solves mysteries, utilizing some aspects of her own life (like being Vietnamese and moving to Chicago,) and that turns out to be exactly what kids like her would benefit from. The idea changed a lot from "autobiography" to "Ivy T: Food Court Detective," but it was something Diane would've really liked (a cheesy sitcom type thing) and something that did what she wanted (spoke to Vietnamese teenage girls.)
 
as soon as Bluey started pandering to the LGBTQCP with one throw away line.
Is there actual proof the pup there said "mums" and not a heavily-Aussie-accented sentence about his mum? Far as I know, his parents haven't once been onscreen and it's highly likely adult fans are projecting their fetish onto a children's cartoon as they're wont to do.

Everything else was just par for the course. Even if the Bluey adult fandom wasn't a thing, I could totally believe an event would've still been disastrous and that Futurama or whatever would've joked about it, because that's just the natural state of things in this nihilistic world.
 
Is there actual proof the pup there said "mums" and not a heavily-Aussie-accented sentence about his mum? Far as I know, his parents haven't once been onscreen and it's highly likely adult fans are projecting their fetish onto a children's cartoon as they're wont to do.
I don't watch the show so I can't answer for sure, but it doesn't matter. They can't back down now, if they reveal that kid has normal parents, the outrage will be nuclear, so they have no choice but to toss in the dyke moms.
 
It takes practice, but when you study storytelling and consume media that inspires you, you get better at coming up with stories you'd want to tell. The real secret is finding something you're passionate about - a setting you want to explore, themes you want to discuss and dissect, experiences you've had and wisdom you wish to impart, things you think are cool as hell.

There's an episode of Bojack Horseman about this very thing, if I'm not mistaken. Diane wants to write an autobiography so that other kids like her can benefit from her life, but she just can't make her trauma interesting enough. She ends up writing this fictional story about a teenage girl who solves mysteries, utilizing some aspects of her own life (like being Vietnamese and moving to Chicago,) and that turns out to be exactly what kids like her would benefit from. The idea changed a lot from "autobiography" to "Ivy T: Food Court Detective," but it was something Diane would've really liked (a cheesy sitcom type thing) and something that did what she wanted (spoke to Vietnamese teenage girls.)
That's an a pretty good idea - I mean, to frame. Thanks, I will keep it in mind. 😁
 
It takes practice, but when you study storytelling and consume media that inspires you, you get better at coming up with stories you'd want to tell.
I'm a great believer in "actual life experience" when it comes to writing.
A lot of the best 20th century authors were war veterans, and I don't think that's a coincidence.
I've certainly read half the library by now, and it hasn't really made me a better writer - just terribly derivative.
There's something about working from real life experience that invigorates writing.
I think the mark of a good fiction, is that it tells a story that beat for beat appeals to the "realist" sensibilities of the audience, even if it literally never happened.
Being a homebody; most of my real life experiences can be summed up as unglamorous short-lived trysts, car-park punch-ups, poverty, and trying to figure out how to be anything besides a petty criminal, in a country that's been slowly disintegrating since before I was born.
And I'm not even young mind.
So by my own standard, I'd only be equipped to write "misery literature", which I don't consider worth reading anyway.
 
It's a combination of the three, plus CN not having a big breakout hit show since (depending on how you look at it) Steven Universe. Say what you will about that show (I know I have), but as far as my memory can recall, that was the last CN original show to really have some sort of cultural impact and be a success for the network.

Since then, nothing's come close to it, Regular Show, or Adventure Time. OK KO showed promise early on, but then it ended up falling into quite a few of the traps that CN shows post-Steven fall into, and it was cancelled after only 2 seasons.
The issue is that the Steven Universe team kinda poisoned the well in that basically the only people at CN were Rebecca Sugar acolytes. None of them really wanted to write an adventure, just bad dramas with vague lore masking the awfulness of the drama.
I'm a great believer in "actual life experience" when it comes to writing.
A lot of the best 20th century authors were war veterans, and I don't think that's a coincidence.
I've certainly read half the library by now, and it hasn't really made me a better writer - just terribly derivative.
There's something about working from real life experience that invigorates writing.
I think the mark of a good fiction, is that it tells a story that beat for beat appeals to the "realist" sensibilities of the audience, even if it literally never happened.
Being a homebody; most of my real life experiences can be summed up as unglamorous short-lived trysts, car-park punch-ups, poverty, and trying to figure out how to be anything besides a petty criminal, in a country that's been slowly disintegrating since before I was born.
And I'm not even young mind.
So by my own standard, I'd only be equipped to write "misery literature", which I don't consider worth reading anyway.
Tolkien and Lewis both had strong foundations in philosophy. Lewis, despite his contemporaries insults, did seriously contemplate a solid argument against naturalism after someone criticized his argument.

They really tried to understand what “good” and being “nice” were. It meant the moral lesson in the story wasn’t so canned. Both kinda hated pacifists due to believing the theological inspiration to be weak.
 
There are all kinds of good ideas out there, both episodic and story-driven, wacky and serious, for all demographics, but the problem is studios only hire from one stagnant pool of artists.

They gotta have enough disposable income to go to college, the idealism to pursue art, and a locality to southern California where the industry is (or a willingness to relocate to it.) That's why Calarts is as big as it is; it's in the back yard of the major studios, and people from Calarts hire other Calarts grads. As a result you end up with 5000 of the same person, an upper class liberal who's never had a hard day in their life and wants to tell stories about genderfluid queerplatonic pals going on dramatic, fanfic-like coming of age stories in a world vaguely parodying 2000s anime, harry potter, or whatever else they liked as a kid.

If you gave someone who never had a chance the kind of money and resources to pitch a cartoon, you'd come up with some insane shit. A mechanic from Ohio could pitch you Primal, a teacher in Minnesota could make the next Sesame Street, weebs all over the nation have the potential to make a cartoon at least half as good as any of those short-lived sports anime like Yuri on Ice or Free!, but none of them have the money and privilege to even think about getting into the industry, let alone the attitude/politics to tolerate their potential coworkers.
The problem is that the rainbow cult drove almost everyone who is not a homosexual or a closeted one away, leaving the industry to be taken over by bitchy white women with clout and all the men in the industry are castrated self-hating weirdos or actual literal pedos who only got into cartoons because they were hoping to be around kids or other pedos and only survive by hiding their pedo nature and trying to rub shoulders with all the homosexuals in the industry.
All that's really left is stuff for children, everything else is basically dead and abandoned since everyone who isn't gay left for greener pastures, whether that be games, anime, books, etc.
It's really just another symptom of an unhealthy industry; you only see the preferences of one side because the industry itself is slowly rotting from the inside out.
 
... The whole adult bluey fandom reached levels of autism it took Bronies ye I'mars to reach. The question is how soon until the adult bluey fandom is as hated as the Brony fandom? The bluey fandom fandom already has an Equestria daily.
Oh it's very simple:
It's basically all these Tumblr, Brony, Fandom Stan types.

They haven't really had much to latch on to in so long that of course they latch on to this show that's apparently pretty decent.

These people who are so mentally unstable, that when something that tugs on what they missed out on growing up (addressing mental health, parental love, familial values, etc )..

They latch on to it.

Problem is these people are all fucking porn-brained so then it becomes sexual.
 
So by my own standard, I'd only be equipped to write "misery literature", which I don't consider worth reading anyway.
Yeah, people should draw from their life, you can't be a shut-in just regurgitating nothing but what you've seen on TV, but you can't solely draw from your specific lived experience unless you want to write an autobiography. If we only wrote what already exists, we'd never have superheroes or fairy tales.
 
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