Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Hepativore]

I forgive it all with Griffin. She couldn't have ever been in her right mind with all that physical suffering.

I don't know why so many of you are calling her dysgenic when she was a kid. She was chubby, and had an Irish pug nose. Do you know how many working class white kids in Massachusetts look like that? Any Irish Americans on the farms, you know it's true.

Chads and Stacies are the exception, not the norm.

Griffin was a cute, adorable looking kid. She would have been an average potato-faced Irishwoman who could have fallen in love with a working class potato-faced Irishman. They could have had tubby pasty Irish kids with the big eyelashes she had. (That she lost as she was dying). Or, if she decided to bat for the other team, she could have had some lesbian relationship where they rescued pit bulls together.

She was born in 1999, when I was still babysitting for tax-free cash. She could have been one of those kids I read stories to, that I let have extra ice cream even though I wasn't supposed to, whose homework I let her cheat on a little bit.

I know she was an adult, but she never fully developed adult features. She looked very much like a kid to me. I can't get over how young she was.

Call me a sappy, feminist cunt or whatever. But seeing her story makes me want to cry. I want to cry over Jazz Jennings, too, if it helps. He never had a fucking chance, either. You'd think seeing that shit show would get people to see what a horror the whole thing is, but no.

This is also how I feel about people like Jazz Jennings. Jazz was groomed into trooning out as well as SRS by his crazy mother and it did not help when she made his life a literal reality show, as look at how many child celebrities end up becoming fucked up later in life.

Griffin could have lost weight if she felt insecure about that aspect of her appearance, and then there is also the fact that even if she was not the most attractive person in the world, it should have been drilled into her head that pooning-out was not going to make things any better. No gay man would have ever mistaken her for anything but a woman, and no woman would have ever wanted anything to do with her mangled rotdog of a "penis".

If Kiwi Farms was not slandered like it is on the internet at large, I would hope this thread becomes an archive of how dysfunctional and dangerous this "trans" fad is, and hopefully future generations will realize that we were right all along.

If you are a man or a woman, nobody should say that you have to have the same interests that other men or women have. Just realize, sex is innate and cannot be changed no matter how much you might try and pretend otherwise.

The hormones and surgeon's scalpel are only going to make things even worse for you as you start facing multi-organ failure and scarring...and at the end of it all, you will still be a mutilated man or woman who will never "pass".

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I remember when there was a huge push for it in the mid 2010s, and while there are definitely women ferrying around a wheelbarrow of titty who need one and should be able to get one on the public dime as a matter preventative healthcare, they were pushing it on any woman with a full C, yet at no point did anyone talk about strengthening shoulder and back muscles. As much as I believe it's money motivated in the US, these things also come to Europe as fads.

I think it's also why the tranny madness isn't as bad here, because it's not a money maker it's a money sink. What we are dealing with is purely ideological.

The hucksters make money off of it here straight up, but to sell it and not just seem like transparently ghoulish frauds, they write a lot of ad copy (laundered through women's mags and daytime TV and the like) about how it's "empowering" and allows women to "finally be free" and "express her true self"- sound familiar? And then that rhetoric gets taken abroad into single payer healthcare systems, where "advocates" sell it as a necessary expense in order to be fair and compassionate.

 

[papaya]

I had always thought the superfluous breast reduction surgeries were a side effect of ever rising obesity. Reminds me of how some people of size just mysteriously happen to have bad knees/ankles when it’s obviously a side result of being a ham planet. The human skeleton is not intended to bear so much mass

 

[Iron Jaguar]

I don't know why so many of you are calling her dysgenic

Answered within your own post:

She was chubby, and had an Irish pug nose

Griffin was a cute, adorable looking kid.

Lol, no.
It's such a feminine thing to do, calling ugly kids "cute" or "adorable". IDK why you do it but you do it.

 

[Fapcop]

It's a shame there was no recorded interview with Gruff, that would have been powerful to see I bet. I can totally understand NOT bothering them in their final days though.

I doubt that you would have gotten much more than: “The urology department screwed up.” And the obligatory: “I don’t regret anything, I just wish they had done a better job”.

She didn’t exactly seem like the introspective type, and between the propaganda she has marinated in for a decade and what cross-sex hormones did to her brain development she would never have gone: “Troon inc. did this to me!”

. They market this idea to women that you are better of "preventively" lopping off your boobs and uterus. No one goes around telling men "well your uncle had ball cancer, time for a castration procedure- it's easier now than when the cancer is there! And you can just take replacement T!"

That’s mostly because there’s no equivalent in men for the extremely high risk of breast cancer some women have because of their genetics.

Same with breast reductions. There was a phase where every decently stacked girl was told she "needed" one (but only if she was middle class with decent insurance, somehow). Medical industry making hay from women's anxieties. No conscience and as we see, no line they won't cross.

A lot of this is pressure that women put on themselves. Or on other women.

Case in point: Vagina nip and tuck where they operate on labias that are “too large”.

I guarantee you no man has ever uttered the words: “It’s just a dang shame her pussy lips weren’t smaller!” But some women are neurotic over their looks and it’s exploited by a medical industry looking for quick bucks. See also: Botox.

 

[behindyourightnow]

I always point out, you don't see the equivalent marketed to men. They market this idea to women that you are better of "preventively" lopping off your boobs and uterus. No one goes around telling men "well your uncle had ball cancer, time for a castration procedure- it's easier now than when the cancer is there! And you can just take replacement T!"

I get where you are coming from, but if you think "let's preemptively remove part of your reproductive anatomy for no valid reason so that doctors can make a bit more money" is something that doesn't happen to males in America, then I have some sad and devastating news for you

 

[Sourceress]

Case in point: Vagina nip and tuck where they operate on labias that are “too large”.

I guarantee you no man has ever uttered the words: “It’s just a dang shame her pussy lips weren’t smaller!” But some women are neurotic over their looks and it’s exploited by a medical industry looking for quick bucks. See also: Botox.

Unfortunately, I know many women (and have read accounts from many, many more) who have been shamed by men for the size/shape of their labia. I've never, for example, seen a woman call another woman's labia "roast beef," but I've seen men use that kind of derogatory language towards women with larger/longer/more visible labia over and over and over, both in actual real life and of course on the internet.

Pornos tend to use women who have had surgeries to reduce the size/length/visibility of their labia - and many porn stars are pressured into having these surgeries - or women who naturally have very small/less visible labia, so men who watch porn often expect all women's vulvas to look like that and react with disgust and hate when they aren't the same. It's gross and awful.

But seriously, women aren't the ones responsible for this one. Men are.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I get where you are coming from, but if you think "let's preemptively remove part of your reproductive anatomy for no valid reason so that doctors can make a bit more money" is something that doesn't happen to males in America, then I have some sad and devastating news for you

If you're talking about circumcision, I guess that is somewhat similar, but most people do that to their kids based on custom (religious or otherwise) and cosmetic preferences. And again, they sell the procedure to women- new mothers.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

That’s mostly because there’s no equivalent in men for the extremely high risk of breast cancer some women have because of their genetics

Yes...but...it turned out that the allegedly high genetic risk used to convince women to have their breasts removed was absolute bollocks and based on bad science.

 

[Zemblan Physics]

Not sure I would keep cool and carry on with these odds, especially if a close relative had died from breast cancer.

Spoiler: Cancer risk stats with BRCA genes

The risks of developing breast and ovarian cancer are markedly increased in people who inherit a harmful change in BRCA1 or BRCA2 (1, 3–7).

• Female breast cancer: More than 60% of women who inherit a harmful change in BRCA1 or BRCA2 will develop breast cancer during their lifetime (2). By contrast, about 13% of women in the general population will develop breast cancer during their lifetime.
  
  Among women who have been diagnosed with breast cancer, those who have an inherited harmful change in BRCA1 or BRCA2 have an increased risk of developing cancer in the opposite (contralateral) breast in the future compared with those who do not have such a change (8). About 30%–40% of breast cancer survivors with inherited BRCA1 changes and 25% of those with inherited BRCA2 changes will develop contralateral breast cancer by 20 years after their first breast cancer diagnosis, compared with about 8% of those in the general population (2, 9).
• Male breast cancer: About 0.2%–1.2% of men with an inherited harmful change in BRCA1 and 1.8%–7.1% with an inherited harmful change in BRCA2 will develop breast cancer by age 70 (2). By contrast, about 0.1% of men in the general population will develop breast cancer by age 70. Given the rarity of breast cancer in men with harmful BRCA changes, their risk of contralateral breast cancer has not been estimated.
• Ovarian cancer: About 39%–58% of women who inherit a harmful change in BRCA1 and 13%–29% of women who inherit a harmful change in BRCA2 will develop ovarian cancer (which includes fallopian tube cancer and primary peritoneal cancer) during their lifetime (2). By contrast, about 1.1% of women in the general population will develop ovarian cancer during their lifetime.

Source: NIH
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[Peaches Demure]

I don't know if anyone has picked up on this (taken from the Twitter thread @Zemblan Physics posted)

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Working and living through the trauma I was suppressing for over a decade while recovering from surgery after surgery and dealing with suicidal thoughts was one of the hardest things I've ever done and I'm still struggling but I'm pulling through

That was posted at the end of 2021, when Griffin/Makayla would have been 22. So if it's true and she had been suppressing trauma for over a decade, she is talking about something happened when she was around 11 or 12. Only a year or two before she suddenly decided she was a boy and socially transitioned.

So, like Nex Benedict, we most likely have another example of a little girl who was sexually abused as a preteen, and was then told by trusted adults: "Don't worry, the fear and disgust and confusion you feel after being abused is due to a completely coincidental case of being born in the wrong body! Let's ignore the real source of your issues and encourage you to live the rest of your life in a state of permanent denial and dissociation." Life-saving care, everyone.

I decided to do some internet sleuthing myself on Gruffin's reddit account and found these statements by her.

Claims to be "predominantly asexual" and that having sex with the rotdog was "very very low" on her priority list;

So she died a virgin, then?


But wait... there's also this:

I was sex-repulsed pre-op for mainly body comfort reasons as well as trauma-related reasons.

Uhh yyyeeeeaaahhh this is starting to sound more and more like little Makayla was diddled at some point.

I wonder who the "ex-boyfriend" she supposedly had rotdog sex with could have been? Some degen dude with no standards, or another pooner she was LARPing gay men with? So many questions...

Oh, and bulimia confirmed:

 

[Bug Soldier]

Oh boy UselessAltThing has appeared on r/transgender_surgeries with another tale.
For the unacquainted, she claims that she had nullo surgery so she can be genderless. She's extremely consistent and has been posting for years now so there's definitely a possibility she's real. Meme for reference
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Anyway for her recent post, she's getting anal from a random MTF tranny and he is under the impression that she's also a MTF. She is very euphoric about this.

No specifics, no powerlevel, no feminine behavior, no pointers for other prospective self-mutilators. He's been extremely consistent and has been posting for years about his fetish. So he has a fetish, so what.

UselessAltThing used to have a vague but constant powerlevel that 'she' (the character - not the person, because I think this is a roleplay) that she is a daughter of a rich Jewish businessman who lives in New York and her father paid for all of her surgeries when she was 18 a few years back. Although there's no detailed information. I find this interesting because the character felt very stereotypical, and that 'she' would post it on many subreddits over and over to the point that it feels like the details are part of the fetish, where the character is dumb, oblivious but spoiled - I think the 'daddy paid for my nullo' is part of the fetish too. There were also details like how she hated plants and countryside.

I don't neccesarily think this is a man, because there are women who've done this kind of coomer LARP for years but that can't be ruled out later.
On the light of the recent curious case of yesitsreallytrue aka - schizrophrenic man who cut his dong and leg off and got a completely functional rotdog but somehow talked about having 'a dick between my legs'. There are some interesting details too, like how the character is black and wished to have a big dick - which seems like a fetish point, or if someone asked 'him' about the medical details, he simply can't say anything in details because he's portrayed as too stupid to understand medical term. UselessAltThing seems to waffles around the specific medical details of her surgery too.
From my experiences, and comparing these two possible fake roleplay accounts, there's a certain 'vibe' to them. The style of writing seemed to be stream of consciousness that goes on and on without proper structure, the characters are very dumb and oblivious to the unusual circumstances around them. No clear medical details when people ask them about it and the characterisation is usally someone too stupid to get the medical explanation. They all sound like little children who were experimented by a mad scientist and then later seen crying because they cannot comphrehend what happened to them. And they always have loving partners who are so loyal and don't care about their lack of genitals or whatever body horror happened to them

Most fetish fictions online and ARG tend to sound like this a lot.
P.S. Also to not double post, RIP Gruffin, as much as I hate this whole trans ideology, I think most people who transitioned thought it could change their lives, they were sold a false bill of good... 'Life saving' surgery indeed, and this kind of case will fade into oblivion or it'll get digged up 50 years after as a show of past barbarity like lobotomy or radium treatment while people will be dying because of complications from another manmade horror of the future.

 

[Procrastinhater]

don't know why so many of you are calling her dysgenic when she was a kid.

I normally consider shitting on someone for their looks (that they were born with and not something they chose to make themselves look like a freak, thats differemt and deserved) is bottom barrel and punching down, but Makayla definitely had a dysgenic look to her, half my family on my Dads side were Irish orginally and while I see what you mean Makayla didn't just look like a standard Potato Wife. She was short and pudgy and had an extreme underbite and recessed jaw worse than Leafy, and seemed to have Fetal Alcohol Syndrome features even before Testosterone abuse made her look like Pooner Benjamin Button.
I've seen cute dumpy pug nosed Irish kids. Makayla wasn't one of them.

have a seething hatred for Lissa (Leaksa? Leaky Lissa?)

I've just started calling him "ShittingDitch".
Seems appropriate. LeakyLissa fits too though.

 

[Poonocchio]

I've just started calling him "ShittingDitch".
Seems appropriate. LeakyLissa fits too though.

Fistulissa.

 

[shart world]

Fistulissa.

Perfection, this is the one.

 

[Stan]

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I wonder what young you would think of you dying from a cascade of horrifying health issues at the very early age of 24 after a completely unnecessary fakedick surgery that made you realize after a lifetime of transitioning that you didn't actually want to be a man.

so we can add suicidal ideation to the spread of things that might have done her in if the phalloplasty had not

@Stan

Can't quote, but just thought I'd let you know Gruffin's opioid addiction did not come from SRS. She had the rotdog done in 2021, and in 2022 she posted this;

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So at age 22/23, she'd already been an opioid addict on and off (she says) for 6 years. That means she probably got started on opioids before she had any kind of surgical intervention at all, as her earliest "gender affirming" surgery was a mastectomy in 2017.

small PL: I did know a boy who got addicted to H as a junior in HS. He started by stealing OxyContin from his dad and then graduated to buying perc, fentanyl and then H from his weed dealer (who was also an H dealer.) it was scary to see my friend turn into a heroin ghost, and he never really got over it. AFAIK he’s still Alice but he works menial jobs and probably is still dealing with the addiction.
I am shocked however that Gruffin followed this path in middle school.

So when folks want to blame feminism, a little bit of critical self examination and reflection on their own individual and collective contributions to the damage might be useful.

Asking Larry David and Iron Jag to self reflect on the way they talk about women is like asking a dog to reflect on its past actions. They don’t have that capability, and if by some chance they do, they’re not going to use that brainpower here. They think feminists are responsible for poonerism, and I doubt there’s any amount of sensible discourse that would change their minds. Let him dig for dirt, like one of those truffle dogs, and ignore the asides about how Feminists Voted for This.

 

[behindyourightnow]

I decided to do some internet sleuthing myself on Gruffin's reddit account and found these statements by her.

Claims to be "predominantly asexual" and that having sex with the rotdog was "very very low" on her priority list;

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So she died a virgin, then?


But wait... there's also this:

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Uhh yyyeeeeaaahhh this is starting to sound more and more like little Makayla was diddled at some point.

"I thought having surgery would lead me to realize that my sex-repulsiveness was mostly attached to my body but that ended up not being the case."

So, the ghouls in the Boston gender-medicine meat grinder led Makayla to believe that her revulsion towards the thought of sex was something that could be fixed by handing over lots of money to "fix" her body and turn her into a boy. No one at any point allowed her to consider that maybe being sexually abused had something to do with her feelings.

Turning her away and sending her to a therapist wouldn't have been profitable, I suppose. There's no differential diagnosis in gender medicine, the "diagnosis" procedure is just a doctor looking down at a piece of paper with the word "TRANS" written on it and then putting a little checkmark next to it.

Half a million dollars and a physical mutilation (which would eventually lead to her death) later? Oh, it ended up not being the case. Whoops! Oh well, live and learn. And by "learn" I mean "ignore everything that happened and keep collecting more fresh meat for the meat grinder."

 

[Xanthe]

Answered within your own post:



Lol, no.
It's such a feminine thing to do, calling ugly kids "cute" or "adorable". IDK why you do it but you do it.

Because it's normal for women to find kids adorable and in fact, that's the natural order of things? It's actually an important part of humanity that women, and men really, think kids are cute and don't feel some instinctual hatred for them for the wrong nose?

Most people are not Chads or Stacies. I know this because I'm closer to being a Stacy than not, and I can see when I'm in a public space, I'm usually the nicest looking woman in the room. Average people are average.

A kid doesn't have to have A-10s and cornsilk hair and a chiseled jaw (on a kid?) to look cute.

She would never have been a Stacy, but Griffin wasn't actually hideous. She was normal looking for her ethnicity and area. Throw a rock at a white working class playground in Massachusetts and you'd hit one.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

"I thought having surgery would lead me to realize that my sex-repulsiveness was mostly attached to my body but that ended up not being the case."

So, the ghouls in the Boston gender-medicine meat grinder led Makayla to believe that her revulsion towards the thought of sex was something that could be fixed by handing over lots of money to "fix" her body and turn her into a boy. No one at any point allowed her to consider that maybe being sexually abused had something to do with her feelings.

Turning her away and sending her to a therapist wouldn't have been profitable, I suppose. There's no differential diagnosis in gender medicine, the "diagnosis" procedure is just a doctor looking down at a piece of paper with the word "TRANS" written on it and then putting a little checkmark next to it.

Half a million dollars and a physical mutilation (which would eventually lead to her death) later? Oh, it ended up not being the case. Whoops! Oh well, live and learn. And by "learn" I mean "ignore everything that happened and keep collecting more fresh meat for the meat grinder."

I want to say “every damn time”, but it’s actually frightening how this is the case on so, so many occasions. We used to try to counsel sexual abuse survivors, even when they were violently self-harming and wanting to off themselves rather than live with the pain. We tried to direct their shame, anger and disgust away from their own body and out, to deal with it in a way that at least didn’t harm anyone.

Now we’re directly steering sexual abuse survivors into self-harm, and applauding that self-harm by telling them their body is wrong and they should change it to the ‘right’ type with surgery. Of course, no surgery can make anyone change sex, so no patient will ever be truly happy, and they’ll keep coming back for hormone treatments, revision surgeries, facial implants, fake dick creation… on and on, more and more self-harm, encouraging the already damaged person to self-harm further.

Who the fuck ever thought this would be a good idea? How can anyone look at troonism and not go “hang on, you want to tell people to actually be unhappy with their body?” It’s insane. The whole thing is unethical and utterly mental. Makayla never had a chance, with this crazy ideology running the show.

Now she’s dead, and whoever abused that poor child that she was will never face justice, because she was told to torture herself instead of having the fucking abusive prick hauled up in court. Well done, trannydom, well done. Truly a death cult.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Asking Larry David and Iron Jag to self reflect on the way they talk about women is like asking a dog to reflect on its past actions. They don’t have that capability

You think I'm unaware of why I dislike a lot of women? Lol.

They think feminists are responsible for poonerism

Uh-huh. - Just blithely ignore the posts where we've literally said feminism is not solely responsible.
You are both a liar and a fool. DO NOT attempt to put words into my mouth.