Jason Thor Hall / PirateSoftware / Maldavius Figtree / DarkSphere Creations / Maldavius / Thorwich / Witness X / @PotatoSec - Incompetent Furry Programmer, Blizzard Nepo Baby, Lies about almost every thing in his life, Industry Shill, Carried by his father, Hate boner against Ross Scott of Accursed Farms, False Flagger

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Which will happen first?

  • Jason Hall finishes developing his game

    Votes: 33 0.8%
  • YandereDev finishes developing his game

    Votes: 412 9.7%
  • Grummz finishes developing his game

    Votes: 117 2.7%
  • Chris Roberts finishes developing his game

    Votes: 143 3.3%
  • Cold fusion

    Votes: 1,638 38.4%
  • The inevitable heat death of the universe

    Votes: 1,926 45.1%

  • Total voters
    4,269
He has been streaming WoW for 24 hours straight. now making the time of him not working on his game a total of 68 hr's.
You just don't understand how hard this guy has it working on his game 24/7, chud. He NEEDS to take these breaks and play WoW for a full day for his mental health! (And whatever other excuses would follow from not working on your important game project for days on end.)
I am watching this stream in 2x speed and will skip around when need be, if I can see his game maker open I will be fair and check to see if he is working and coding his game and will note it
Thank you for your service soldier, even on 2x speed I can't imagine his streams are any more tolerable.
 
Thank you for your service soldier, even on 2x speed I can't imagine his streams are any more tolerable.
No problem, you'll be interested in the write-up that I have to give after this. Plus you will be surprised how quickly I have been able to go through some of these streams. Think of it this way, I would be spending a lot more time per stream timing Thor coding heartbound, if he were spending a majority of his 12+ hr streams coding it. For me, I thought getting through one stream would be tough, I've already done a couple of them tonight. Take what you will out of that.
 
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No problem, you'll be interested in the write-up that I have to give after this. Plus you will be surprised how quickly I have been able to go through some of these streams. Think of it this way, I would be spending a lot more time per stream timing Thor coding heartbound, if he were spending a majority of his 12+ hr streams coding it. For me, I thought getting through one stream would be tough, I've already done a couple of tonight. Take what you will out of that.
If it helps I believe there are plugins that let you make things to 4x or even faster for youtube. So you could really blaze through it.
 
So anyways I have no idea if this is against some rule or something so mod me however you like, but here is my first lazy attempt at a functional ""playable"" Heartbound.
Tried it and managed to get past the first "boss". The combat controls are awful and even the plot of the shitty fangame i'm doing an LP of is less derivative.

EDIT: lol your dad is a nigger
 
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managed to get past the first "boss".
First implies theres a second. The "second boss" is just the first boss again but it doesnt get interrupted one fourth of the way through. Im pretty sure you cant lose either fight anyway, it just beings you to the end of the fight. Literally 2 combat encounters, both are the exact same, one is cut short, and neither can cause a game over. The only sign of another battle is cut off before it can begin in favor of a long cutscene.
 
You know that comic, dude goes to Hell, the attendant says his name isn't in the book, dude says he's special and [did-x]. The last panel is the attendant taking the dude to "Extra Hell."

That's Second Life to me, you go to Extra Hell.
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If it helps I believe there are plugins that let you make things to 4x or even faster for youtube. So you could really blaze through it.
Yep found a 16x speed plug-in. So a 12 hr stream would normally take me 6hrs of watching it in 2x. Now only takes 44 minutes to do so.
 
Tried it and managed to get past the first "boss". The combat controls are awful and even the plot of the shitty fangame i'm doing an LP of is less derivative.
EDIT: lol your dad is a nigger

Thanks for testing it out I got tired of it after 40 mins or so, lol. Wonder if places like Gamdie or SteamRIP can be contacted to make it widely available.

Some random observations:

- Game is just amateur hour Undertale but worse. The pixel art does the heavy lifting here because no other aspect of the game is above a student game.
- After so many years, many basic stuff is not even implemented yet, like an usable UI for starters.
- I think the game's selling point is that there is "decision branching" (and heckin' wholesome reddit memes), but the problem with this approach is that it has the potential of spiraling to an unmanageable size and it's maybe one of the reasons this game might never be finished.
- I changed a bit of text for a laugh, but realized you have to manually add line breaks and such, or you risk text overflowing over characters portraits. This must be a pain to write, test and translate (which also adds to dev time).
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- In case you don't know, Mald's anti piracy schtick is putting you on a text loop that prevents you from playing the game after you leave the first room.
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- I don't want to give Mald tips to fix his shit, but when I saw the anti-piracy code I actually laughed. There's no really complex stuff, just a super simple use of the standard Steam plugin for Game Maker.

I do have to wonder why nobody else does the same thing to avoid piracy, I'm guessing not even the AAA are this petty or wasteful with their dev time. Just pay for Denuvo or some shit.

I also want to stress that I consider myself a very below-average programmer, I did nothing difficult or clever. Maldy here is just YandereDev with money.
 
All right, I must say I am satisfied with my work. This will be a very interesting write-up. I calculated the numbers and the math is mathing. Dare I say lol, lmao even. I think the YandereDev comparisons will be harder to disprove when I am done with this piece. It will almost have a purpose as a 2nd OP just to highlight Thor's work ethic even more. Now that my work is done in the trenches, it will be a pleasure to debrief you on these discoveries.

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"I don't shave that much. I'm really low testosterone, so I don't have to shave that much and it normally comes in on my neck. My brother's got patchy facial hair but not so much for me." -Jason Hall, 2005

This furfag used to make fun of his greek friend for always having facial hair or taking 10 minutes to shave every week or so when he "Was blessed with low testosterone" and one of the reasons why he has long, womanish, trannyhair. His dad was an actual beach bum and had a guitar while projecting a "Rockstar" kind of image for all the visitors to the home with a "Shelby Cobra" in the garage but no one ever saw him play the guitar or ride in the car with his long hair and unshaven face. He was a liar too and had bragged about staging a sit-in at Blizzard in the mid-90s because he refused to let them "Fire him" because "He doesn't do much more than tell people what to do and threaten them" - his own words. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
 
I do have to wonder why nobody else does the same thing to avoid piracy, I'm guessing not even the AAA are this petty or wasteful with their dev time. Just pay for Denuvo or some shit.
About software development in large companies - you see how bad the plot is? Well the code is at least equally bad.
This furry might not even be lying about being a "accomplished coder" in Blizzard.
 
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How Much Does Thor, Actually Work On Heartbound When Streaming?

A debriefing



Jason's magnum opus, HeartBound, is a game he has been developing for 8 years, heavily inspired by EarthBound. As Thor has mentioned multiple times on stream and in his somewhat know-it-all-sounding rants, this is why he founded Pirate Software. Thor has faced criticism for the lengthy development time, often pushing the release year further and further back. Most estimates suggest that he's completed only 40-50% of the game in this 8-year span.

HeartBound takes its name from EarthBound, which had a 5-year development cycle—a long time for its era, especially considering the technology back then. In comparison, HeartBound has already taken longer to develop, despite the modern tools available today that make creating EarthBound-like games much faster.

For context, Undertale, another game inspired by EarthBound, took only 2.7 years to complete. Sure, Undertale has its coding quirks—like storing the entire dialogue tree in one long if-else variable—but that’s understandable given its smaller scope and the fact that most hardware can easily run it. The main point is that HeartBound is taking significantly longer to release for a game of similar scope.

Unless we are to believe that Thor is making a game that needs that time of development (I.E a much larger scope than both Undertale and Earthbound). There's a noticeable inconsistency that made me and other users on this thread very curious.


Thor often streams on average 12 hrs per stream. Most Streamers would only do that as some kind of special occasion, and many would have trouble trying to keep up that pace since most would need to sleep and rest. For Thor, it's what you can expect. Every time he goes live unless he cuts it short or goes longer for certain occasions. Keep this figure in mind for later as there is an explanation for it.

Most would think and are led to believe that Thor spends around half of these streams coding and working on HeartBound. However, that's until I decided to watch these streams to check and time how often and for how long he streams himself coding Heartbound.


Ground Rules and Preamble​

  1. I analyzed 13 of Thor's most recent streams, spanning one month from late July to late August. This sample size provides a fair snapshot of how much time Thor spends coding, debugging, and playtesting HeartBound.
  2. Defining 'work on the game': While I’m not a game dev, I am entering the IT space, and my frame of reference comes from that industry. Game programmers typically write 10-100+ lines of code a day depending on the task. Simple debugging might add 5-10 lines while adding new features requires more. In IT, even routine tasks like updating software count as productive work, and I’m using a similar metric here to measure Thor’s productivity.
  3. Methodology: Using a YouTube plugin to play VODs at 16x speed, I watched for periods when Thor was working in Game Maker, the engine for HeartBound. If Thor streamed for 12 hours but spent 4 hours genuinely working on the game (coding, playtesting, debugging, implementing dialogue) without distractions, I counted that as 4 productive hours. If he had Game Maker open for 6 hours but spent 2 of those hours distracted (answering TTS, talking about unrelated topics), I did not count that time. So, in a 12-hour stream, if Thor worked for 4 hours and spent 8 not working, that’s what I recorded.

  4. This is not a rule but an important piece of information, Thor's ability to stream for long periods. To simply put Thor is not your average human, you can make those degeneracy jokes all you want but I am being very genuine here. He is not average, Thor has stated multiple times that due to a genetic mutation, he has the condition known as FNSS, Familial Natural Short Sleep Syndrome. This condition allows him to only need 4-5 hours of sleep per night to be fully rested. So unlike most ordinary people who need 7-9 hours of sleep, Thor is granted a biological advantage that most wish they could have. Thor is given 19 hours out of a 24-hour cycle to go about his routine. 12 of those are streaming, the rest he has claimed to do various things, including working on Heart Bound, operating his Ferret rescue, operating PirateSoftware as a company, and free time. I am not saying Thor needs to spend 19 hours coding HB, what I am saying is that he has a lot of time to do so whether on stream or in his free time.


    Especially considering this information. I expected before going into this endeavor that I would have to come out with a staggering number in favor of Thor. Again, he has a lot more time than most people do on any given day to work. He can work far more hours than most would be able to in this industry and still have energy and sharpness considering the hours the game devs may have to work, especially crunch time. So with that out of way let's get to number crunching. Plus the big reveal.


    Thor had 13 streams this past month, totaling 164 hours of raw Vod's, the shortest being 8 and a half hours with the longest being a full 24-hour stream. Of course, not all of them were spent working on heartbound (that's expected.), but how would you guess? How much? How little? Did he work most of the streams or did he only muster single-digit hours?

    In the spoilered section below I will post my raw notes of my observations during these streams. Each stream besides several at the end is given its own space with observations to boot. Each stream I sat my ass down, turned the video speed up to 16x, watched, and skimmed through. Marking every time I noticed Thor was working on Heartbound and started timing until I saw him either get distracted or switched tabs out of Game Maker. So if you wish to read my very raw notes go right ahead it's here, if you wish to cut to the chase, scroll down a bit to the bottom of this post and I will just repeat myself so that you don't have to read my insane ramblings watching Thor maybe or maybe not working on his game.





    I must warn ya these are my raw notes, so don't expect the usual touch-ups that I do. I am showing you this so you can find out the same way I did, how bad it gets. ENJOY

    Thor Stream Calc


    Stream 1 (streamed on Jul 26, 24) (total time 12 hrs)

    spends first hour primarily talking unions and sag aftra VA strike possibility. (has Game maker open but NOT coding so, no work nor coding is being done.)

    At 1:12:32 Thor's lackey khronos says he has the supposed contract for the union, thor seemingly was gonna start coding but is distracted by this piece of info. (has game maker open with multiple branches unhidden but is still not coding, so not work just a blank sheet of codeless screen)


    At 1:21:38, he switches tabs and is seemingly talking to a viewer(?) and seems to be creating a list, and goes to into a universal health care rant. Not working on any kind of code.

    After this point he spends the rest of the stream coding and fixng Block game, so not being productive and not coding HB.

    The Youtube vod cuts off at 11:54:49, I cannot verify anything spent after this point.


    Total time of stream (presumably a bit above 12hr's)

    Total time worked on HB (0 minutes)

    Stream title was GAME DEV Q/A, I initially thought that it would involve more work on heartbound given that fact, however thor only had game maker open and on screen for aproximately 20 minutes maybe more maybe less.

    Conclusion: Not a good start, especially if the game has been in development for 8 years.

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    Stream 2 (streamed on Jul 27,24) (total time is 12hrs)

    Stream is titled path of Exhile, so not a dev stream, I could afford to write this off as another productionless stream however, I should make sure.


    spends 7 hrs of stream coding/playing block game

    Spends rest of stream not working on HB (4hr's presumably)

    stream is cut off yet again but I can safely say that he played Path of Exile the rest of the time outside of the vod.

    Worked 0 minutes on HB not even opening Game Maker

    Conclusion: Spends more time on BG, no work on HB at all.

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    Stream 3 (12hr's)

    Streamed Jul 28 24

    Path of Exile and Block game (BG for short)

    Primarily BG for the first 3hrs then Path of Exile for rest of stream.

    Not even opening game maker.

    Interesting note so far in 3 streams I have viewed and checked BG is worked on way more than HB is. Despite this being thor's biggest goal in his game Dev career.

    0 hr's worked on HB
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    Stream 4 Jul 29 24 (12hr)


    States it to be a Meet your Maker stream. Spends a bit of time bug-fixing BG for first 3hr's of the stream the rest is not note-worthy in shape or form. The trend I am noticing is still spending time "working" on BG. where he will edit config files and test them out in the game.


    0 hr's worked on HB



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    Stream 5 Aug 14th 24 (8hr's)


    Elden Ring stream, the big gap in date is explained by Thor heading away to Defcon (hacker convention in vegas)

    seemingly working on guess what BG! in this 45 minutes of the stream. And is going over Defcon "stories" and what not.

    Going over content updates for BG.


    This is the stream where Thor exclaims that he no longer wastes "3 hrs" a day commuting to his old house due to Muh intanet


    basically no work done on HB again. (0hr's)


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    Stream 6 (streamed aug 16 24) (12 hr's)


    A game dev titled stream, so perhaps some work on HB MIGHT happen, Please make this hard to do thor, PLEASE.

    Since this is a Game Dev labeled stream I must be sure and check to see if he actually is working or coding HB at all in this stream.


    Nope goes over his INTANET situation and at around 59:29 he opens up a BG notepad where he is telling his MMO rpg server that maxes out at 50 players, the new content and bug fixes.

    around 1:20:00 - 1:30:00 he is testing out stuff in block game.

    Around 1:40:00 ish he seems to open a Game Maker website but it's down, and I doubt that it's having to do anything with HB.



    4 hr's into stream Thor is launching Game Maker!

    Of course since I am skimming, I am lacking some context, however it seems he has an intention to work on HB but it seems that Game Maker is not cooperating. I am trying to be fair here, he spends around 15 minutes attempting to launch it. These in the work world are billable hours since updating and waiting for programs to launch and download IS considered work. With that logic I am gonna go ahead and give him his 15 minutes.

    However, he seems to move on from working on it. And starts messing around in BG.


    At this point I can confidently say that thor spent 11hrs and 45 minutes streaming, and only 15 minutes "working" on HB

    Conclusion, thor tried to work on HB or see if Game Maker would work with him seems it did not. outside of those 15 minutes I would say he mainly worked on BG and watched a game direct on something. but that's not what we're here to calculate now huh?

    15 minutes on HB ( if you count him trying to launch his software)
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    Stream 7 Streamed on Aug 17 24 (12 hrs total)


    Same title as last stream, I am heading into this stream expecting him to hopefully have gotten his setup working and maybe for once show us that he does work on his game.



    Nope he starts working on BG, Fuckin lol lmao even. Thor seems to consider BG more of a priority to work on it seems, well 'seems' is an understatement.


    In my observations, he seems to only minorly edit config files of already written code. So perhaps he really really doesn't seem to even be productive in the project he spends WAY MORE time with on screen. (referring to Block Game))



    I can confidently say, if thor does not open the stream with him working on HB, despite it being a GAME DEV stream. I can skim through it and declare that he did not work on HB.


    0 hr's worked on HB


    This is the 2nd to last stream titled Game Dev on my docket, and so far it's not looking good.
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    Stream 8 (streamed on Aug 19th 24) (12hr's)



    Not a Game Dev title stream, but a Meet your maker stream.


    Na na an na, na na an na, hey hey heyyyy, goodbye!!!!! (he's working BG)


    spends first half of stream on BG and 2nd half on Meet Your Maker.


    0 hr's worked on HB

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    Stream 9 (Streamed on AUG 21 24) (12hr's)



    This is the last stream on my docket under the Game Dev title. Consider the fact that the next 4 streams are him relentlessly playing WOW's newest expansion, I hope (though with very little expectation) that he would opt to work on HB. As so far, he's only tried (key word here being tried) working on it for 15 minutes by my rough estimate. So let's see here Thor.




    Opens the stream with guess what BLOCK GAME CONFIG FILES AND FERRETS!.


    Opens HB to show off that HB is colorblind agnostic!!!!! YAAAY. (8hr's into stream)

    Surprisingly I am not gonna count Virtue signaling an accessibility feature as work.

    Oh boy it has RTX lmao. WORK ON THE GAME FUCKER.


    0 hr's worked on HB besides showing off its "features" for 5 minutes.

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    Streams 10-13 are all wow streams with one of them being 24 hrs.

    Nothing in these streams were done besides just playing WOW, even using the picture in picture preview on youtube shows that was all he was doing.

    So in total 60 hrs of WOW, 0hr's of HB


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    Final Calc 13 streams watched/skimmed with an average of 12hrs for each stream. The total real time is 164 hr's of streaming.

    How much time did Thor spend actually working on HB?

    In total HB had a screen time of 30 minutes (guesstimate, but damn close).

    However screen time is not work. he really only spent 15 minutes attempting to work on it. In 13 streams.......


    So Thor spent 163 hr and 45 minutes NOT working on HB. in 13 streams in one month.


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    So with that in mind, thor doesn't fuckin work on his game at all, at least during his streams but is it really a stretch to say that he works on HeartBound off-camera all that much either? Especially given the FNSS, Thor really has no excuses to get out of the fact that he doesn't work on his game. He easily could be working on his game and providing a somewhat entertaining stream showing the struggle of making his game educating people on the real challenges of a Indie Dev, and still have a good reputation for that besides his anti-consumer stance on Stop killing games. That's not the case. A game of this type should only take 3-4 years at most 6 to make. however he's stretched this shit to 8 years and counting. I doubt it get's released soon. if at all.


The Conclusion.​


In 164 hours of video, and after spending 6-7 hours over two nights reviewing it (that I can never get back), I found that Thor spent 163 hours and 45 minutes not working on HeartBound, with only 15 minutes of actual 'attempts' to work on it. This feels like a case of Yanderdev 2.0, maybe even worse. I checked as thoroughly as I could—Thor genuinely only tried working on HeartBound for 15 minutes.


Thor has many advantages and privileges that most indie devs could only dream of, yet he doesn't work on his 'magnum opus.' How do you explain this? Did I choose a bad month? Did I miss something in the streams? Or is Thor simply lying about how much he actually works on HeartBound? Because based on the data, I can make a strong case that he spends more time on an irrelevant Minecraft server that doesn't even make him money. I am shocked, to say the least, I thought I was gonna be at this for most of the week, the fact is this took much less time than I thought I was gonna have to put in. Folks in this thread were even suggesting I make use of a bot to watch the streams in my stead. But no that wasn't the case at all. I was able to do this rather quickly. I second-guessed myself a whole bunch. I thought I missed something. No, I didn't. Most code I was able to observe was when Block Game config files were on screen, and even during those he was just touching up the config files. I did not observe them write ONE line of code.

Those 15 minutes weren't even coding, Just fucking around trying to get his game editor to work and answering his supa chats. To say the least that is not productive work. Not even getting into the editor or even explaining to his viewers what he even wanted to do. I only gave him those 15 minutes due to attempting to get your programs to work as "billable" hours. Not real work but a technicality. So thor.


WORK ON YOUR GAME FAGGOT.
 
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